Marty Bloggeth & Anonymous Posteth the recording

[scientrollogy]

well T.P. ^

someone calls on the telephone & says they are anonymous.. "what's your name?" - well they wouldn't be anonymous for long would they???

Marty sounded like a typical OSA agent on the phone with the what's your name crap. and b4 you say I wouldn't know, yes i would, we call OSA all over the world, all the time for lulz and the first thing they say...? "what's your name"

I just listened again and i cannot hear the caller say the word "freezone" once

only that the "war has been declared on Scientology"
Marty asking if the caller was "declaring war on me [marty]"
"if you bring back Scientology - YES" "to it's former glorious heyday of.. the what do call it? the Guardians Office" - that he didn't want to have to fight a Co$ under Marty because thats more scary than...

please list the time index on the recording where our caller said "freezone "/ "coming after all of you"

 

[everfree]

What I heard I found chilling. (Why talk about cult crimes when we can talk about Mahalia Jackson, srsly?)

He was trying to make a point about religion itself, that good people are able to practice religion in such a way that it's a positive, beneficial thing regardless of whether it's Scientology, Islam, or Christianity so that instead of attacking the religion itself one should target abuse - a sentiment I've seen plenty of Anons say they share.

I have no reason whatsoever to support Marty - well, outside his ability to take down DM which I think will make the world a much better place - that's just how I saw the call. He wasn't making a point idly or being non-sequitur.

Overall, given the purpose of the call was to say "We're worried that you're setting yourself up to be the next cult leader of CofS instead of taking it down" (or at least that's what got across to me), I'd say that the anon caller was incredibly polite about it, and Marty reacted probably better to it than one could reasonably expect. It's not the easiest subject in the world to broach, I'm not sure how such a call could have gone better.

IIRC, he said that he thought that he had no intention of going back and thinks that at all organized religion is a mistake. What could he have said that would have assuaged your fears? Either he's believed or not. I see no reason to disbelieve that someone coming from CofS could think that. Of course there's no reason to blindly believe him either. To me that leaves us at the same place we were before the call was made.

===

As a slightly OT aside, the part about all Buddhists not harming anyone but themselves is one that I've thought many times myself. I appreciate that about Buddhists, they may overall have the best track record of any religion in history which speaks well of them - when they're not setting themselves on fire.

 

[anonymous4223]

There is a famous movie by Kurusawa, "Rashomon" , regarding a happening by multiple viewpoints.

Marty was told by caller they want to take down him or his, after COS.
because of his personal beliefs.

No he didn't period. He said we would if he brought back Scientology after Miscavige. It was largely tongue-in-cheek. The fact that Marty thinks he's important enough to be a target simply because he's Marty tells more about Marty than anything else.


Marty is able to show grace under pressure. Shit! he can probably do it better than I. You called the guy, why bitch about his narrative?

Because he lied? Duh.

Marty used that as an example of those who attacked others and kept anon. Was said by Marty. What do you mean bullshit?

Marty claimed he spoke to the caller about the KKK and repeated a supposed response. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. Simple. A lie, aka, bullshit.

If you don't get why anon stays anon...well, can't help you.

The spokesperson said anon would come after Marty and FZers
when the COS was destroyed. I thought Marty made a good point re KKK
after being told the caller wanted to destroy him.

NO, he didn't. The word Freezone was not spoken once was there ANY mention of the KKK. You either didn't listen to the call (yet) or you're deliberately backing up Marty's lie, why?

We could give a shit about the Freezone. Marty knew what we were asking and tried to make it about the tech and not about resurrecting organized Scientology/putting on the COB hat, which WAS what the caller asked about. Marty either seriously misunderstood or tried to intentionally steer the subject to belief to avoid answering the question. I believe the latter, because all posts to his blog clarifying that issue were DELETED.

TL;DR, Marty STILL won't come clean and tries to change the subject whenever asked.





Jesus!!!! You are one of the stupidest anons I've communicated with.

Pot, meet kettle. At least I can read.

They threatened to take him down you clown! And Marty kept communicating for another 14 or so minutes.

I am "they." It did not happen. Feel free to continue calling names, it shows you are definitely in the right here. He who yells loudest wins, right?

 

[Terril park]

well T.P. ^

someone calls on the telephone & says they are anonymous.. "what's your name?" - well they wouldn't be anonymous for long would they???

Marty sounded like a typical OSA agent on the phone with the what's your name crap. and b4 you say I wouldn't know, yes i would, we call OSA all over the world, all the time for lulz and the first thing they say...? "what's your name"

Weird. Someone calls you on the phone the normal reaction is to ask who's calling. ?

Yes?

I just listened again and i cannot hear the caller say the word "freezone" once

I believe you are correct. I was commenting after a 15 minute audio file and other life happenings and giving my best approximation I was able at the time. You write below pretty exactly my re hearing of the file, referring to after COS was destroyed.

only that the "war has been declared on Scientology"
Marty asking if the caller was "declaring war on me [marty]"
"if you bring back Scientology - YES" "to it's former glorious heyday of.. the what do call it? the Guardians Office" - that he didn't want to have to fight a Co$ under Marty because thats more scary than...

please list the time index on the recording where our caller said "freezone "/ "coming after all of you"

Having declared war on the guy anonymously, and he is still talking to you all with grace, you bitch about him.

You show the same disconnection from life as displayed by the recent video of the Scn Zealot. OK, thats a slight exageration.

It seems without any doubt you are predujiced against anyone who is a scientologist. You need to re think that. I'm one and have been to more protests than you. How does that work?

 

[anonymous4223]

That's not what I got. What i got was he deliberately avoided answering the only question he knew he was being asked. What clinched it was all the fibs about the KKK and the deletion of comments clarifying the call. That cries agenda to me.

He was trying to make a point about religion itself, that good people are able to practice religion in such a way that it's a positive, beneficial thing regardless of whether it's Scientology, Islam, or Christianity so that instead of attacking the religion itself one should target abuse - a sentiment I've seen plenty of Anons say they share.

I have no reason whatsoever to support Marty - well, outside his ability to take down DM which I think will make the world a much better place - that's just how I saw the call. He wasn't making a point idly or being non-sequitur.

Overall, given the purpose of the call was to say "We're worried that you're setting yourself up to be the next cult leader of CofS instead of taking it down" (or at least that's what got across to me), I'd say that the anon caller was incredibly polite about it, and Marty reacted probably better to it than one could reasonably expect. It's not the easiest subject in the world to broach, I'm not sure how such a call could have gone better.

IIRC, he said that he thought that he had no intention of going back and thinks that at all organized religion is a mistake. What could he have said that would have assuaged your fears? Either he's believed or not. I see no reason to disbelieve that someone coming from CofS could think that. Of course there's no reason to blindly believe him either. To me that leaves us at the same place we were before the call was made.

===

As a slightly OT aside, the part about all Buddhists not harming anyone but themselves is one that I've thought many times myself. I appreciate that about Buddhists, they may overall have the best track record of any religion in history which speaks well of them - when they're not setting themselves on fire.

 

[bluewiggirl]

Oh god, terril. Please do not try to imply that because you've been to more protests you're better than someone else. Please. Don't be stupid.

 

[ChronicEnturbulator]

They threatened to take him down you clown! And Marty kept communicating for another 14 or so minutes.

I am "they." It did not happen. Feel free to continue calling names, it shows you are definitely in the right here. He who yells loudest wins, right?

Careful. Don't play Terril's game. Trying to bait you into getting nailed for a "personal attack" is a (cowardly) part of FZ's internet "handling tech."

 

[anonymous4223]

Careful. Don't play Terril's game. Trying to bait you into getting nailed for a "personal attack" is a (cowardly) part of FZ's internet "handling tech."

Yeah, figured as much. He can call me names if he likes, I've heard far worse.

Thanks for the heads up, tho.

 

[scientrollogy]

when you're a famous ex-clam making broadcasts for the current victims hopefully to hear in the current climate, you know who Anonymous is as such (you'd have to be blind deaf and stupid not to)

so there was:
no KKK, :confused2:
no FZ, :confused2:
no threats against poor Marty? :confused2:

and yet Marty's post said there was - i'll bet he was sucking his teeth when that recording got posted. the whole post was about things accusations in Marty's post which turn out were not happening in the call, and look we're on the umpteenth page!

i agree with zinjifar , there should be no statute of limitation for the crimes peratrated by Marty & Co - except for that afforded to those who fess up first and go "states evidence" - as far as WE (zinj & i) are concerned he will always be guilty

hope you don't mind my speaking for you in this instance z

 

[everfree]

That's not what I got. What i got was he deliberately avoided answering the only question he knew he was being asked. What clinched it was all the fibs about the KKK and the deletion of comments clarifying the call. That cries agenda to me.

To me, he ~did~ answer the question by saying he wouldn't go back to CofS. I could also swear that on his blog he also said that he's against RPF, disconnection and other abuses though I'm not seeing it now; I could be mistaken.

My point however is not to "take his side" but just to urge patience all around. Scn and its abuses is an often heated subject, and one deeply deeply personal to Marty, Exes, and hey anons too I'm sure - you guys are "vets" now too. People often feel attacked when discussing it, even when it's not intended. It's very possible that's all that has happened here.

Marty may indeed be intending to be the next great savior/ruler of CofS and that should be kept in mind, but he could end up being a good friend - or ally, or... something still too if the chance is given. Sorry if that sounds trite, but it's true. I'd encourage Marty to chill out on anon too but probably won't go to the trouble of signing up for his blog.

Just in case he ever reads this: Hey Marty, cut anonymous some slack, they have many good reasons to not trust you fully as I'm sure you'll understand. No need to create acrimony where there doesn't need to be any, you have plenty on your hands as it is.

 

[alex]

Jesus...

First the "Old guard"critics splinter into factions...

Then along come anonymous.....and starts taking on people with the same goals, as they faction of into the moralists and the lulzites and the anti religionists....

And the church soldiers on.

Reminds me of the parable of the tower of babble.

And the sad thing is that all of us are in it together, churchies, freezone, antis, anon, random guy on the street....same planet, same big problems...

The wisest thing perhaps said in the 20th century may be Rodney King....“Can't we all... just... get along?”

Do we all need a night stick to the head to start thinking?

 

[bluewiggirl]

Wow, Alex. Be less helpful whydontcha?

 

[Veda]

This phone call would have been a non-issue if Marty had written nothing about it afterwards or, if asked, commented that he had a pleasant chat, etc., and kept it brief.

Instead, Marty made a lengthy statement misrepresenting the phone call.

Marty has some serious self-deprogramming to do. It will take some time.

On the one side, he has the goofy (and sometimes manipulative) Freezone Hubbardites eager to "align with" or follow him; on the other side, he has the individual identifying himself as anon (reminder: there is no anon organization). This "anon" individual doesn't "get" that Scientology isn't ALL bad since, as a trap, it must include some "good." The "good" (to put it simplistically) serves as a part of its disguise layer, and also as an enlivening medium. At this time, Marty doesn't seem to "get" that either.

Then Marty has the "Church" of Scientology, and their interactions with him, and then he has his concerns about possible problems of a legal nature having to do with his past behavior as Miscavige's right hand man for over 20 years.

This combination of circumstances will probably not assist him in what should be a transitional learning (and de-conditioning) time for him.

Instead, he could end up frozen, and fixed, like a lawn ornament, encouraged not to change by the Scientology Freezoners, most of whom have been out of the "Church" for years and are largely incapable of changing, having been "frozen" as "Scientologists" forever and ever, amen.

And the reactions from the Internet - being largely oppositional, at least as he perceives it - will also tend to freeze or fix him in his current position.

Personally, I can't say that I trust Marty Rathbun, but I've also not passed judgement on him. He needs time, and time will tell.

 

[seawhisperer]

The point here is that Marty simply doesn't need to justify himself to Anonymous. Not for any reason whatsoever. In my opinion, the only people he needs to justify himself to are those that he has hurt in some way in the COS. And he's doing that. In private, where such stuff should happen.

 

[degraded being]

My actual statement was:



Since

A. It is a relatively small group of freezoners who routinely post on ESMB.

B. One way or another I know most of these.

C. The freezone is at best a fractious collective.

D. The fact remains none of these freezoners tend to cite himself as a spokesperson for the freezone as a whole.

Thus it follows, there are no apparent difficulties with my statement.




You might want to consider taking a remedial english program as you show signs of possessing difficulty with parsing simple sentences for meaning.


Mark A. Baker

Your "actual statement" was the one I quoted, but which you have left out. You are talking about something I was not referring to.
Why not try a reading course yourself? Probably because you do not need it. So, why not try a little remedial honesty course?

 

[degraded being]

Jesus...

First the "Old guard"critics splinter into factions...

Then along come anonymous.....and starts taking on people with the same goals, as they faction of into the moralists and the lulzites and the anti religionists....

And the church soldiers on.

Reminds me of the parable of the tower of babble.

And the sad thing is that all of us are in it together, churchies, freezone, antis, anon, random guy on the street....same planet, same big problems...

The wisest thing perhaps said in the 20th century may be Rodney King....“Can't we all... just... get along?”

Do we all need a night stick to the head to start thinking?

All of it, regardless of factions and what might happen etc is a swirling heavy mass of ENTHETA swirling around The Church of Scientology. That swirl is moving closer to the kingpins. Forget about them "soldiering on". They have diareahea and no toilet paper.

"Can't we all just get along?". ......Yes, I know dear,...when you're young and sweet and innocent, as you are, dear, dear Alex, the world can look very cruel sometimes. Just try not to think about it. Just go and play with your dolls or something.

 

[ChronicEnturbulator]

The point here is that Marty simply doesn't need to justify himself to Anonymous. Not for any reason whatsoever. In my opinion, the only people he needs to justify himself to are those that he has hurt in some way in the COS. And he's doing that. In private, where such stuff should happen.

Of course he dosen't, because he came out all on his widdle wonesome self, without an army of durty suppressive anons to run interference from that big-bad-CoB.

He's the brave widdle Freezoner!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

The point here is that Marty simply doesn't need to justify himself to Anonymous. Not for any reason whatsoever. In my opinion, the only people he needs to justify himself to are those that he has hurt in some way in the COS. And he's doing that. In private, where such stuff should happen.

^^^

 

[Terril park]

when you're a famous ex-clam making broadcasts for the current victims hopefully to hear in the current climate, you know who Anonymous is as such (you'd have to be blind deaf and stupid not to)

so there was:
no KKK, :confused2:

My mistake. Was written by Marty on his blog, not in the phone conversation.

"I told him the only group I knew of that covertly threatened people for peacefully practicing a religion or philosophy – and who took great pains to not identify themselves – was the KKK. "

no FZ, :confused2:

The word Freezoner was not used. A war against scientology was
stated as an aim. That would of course also be a war against the Freezone.

no threats against poor Marty? :confused2:

Caller from around 3 min 35 on the tape :-

" What scares me is that we're going to have to fight you guys again"

Marty:- " What guys"

Caller:- " Scientology. The war has been declared on scientology"

I'd say a declaration of was is a threat, yes?


Personally I thought the conversation was a good one, and possibly productive. All sides are against the abuses, and that is a common ground.

 

[alex]

Wow, Alex. Be less helpful whydontcha?

Nevermind. I shouldnt have said anything.

Resume bickering one and all.