Marty Bloggeth & Anonymous Posteth the recording

[Veda]

Marty Rathbun helped bring about a major PR flap and that was good, and anytime he motivates another to exit the C of S, that is good also - so far so good; but has he written a new affidavit, as a follow up to the earlier affidavits and/or statements he wrote/made while in the cult? Has he answered Gerry Armstrong's letter yet?

Looking over the 'Moving on up' Website, it's reminiscent of the very naive stuff that has been written by some others, when they were recently out of the "Church," yet Marty Rathbun - because of the position he held, and held for years - must know better. Even now, at this early stage, he can't be that naive.

Observations and questions naturally arise.

Either he's yet to work through his own cult Scio-programming or he's stringing along those irreversibly Scio-programmed, or perhaps it's a combination of both.

His 'Factor #11" demonstrates the muddled thinking that has either overwhelmed his critical faculties, or is being used by him to charm and dazzle the non C of S Scientology faithful.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/31-factors

Since he's in what is likely a transitional phase, IMO, a wait and see attitude is fair, but I can understand other attitudes.

What Marty probably doesn't need, and what probably won't help him, is a bevy of adoring acolytes.

He has a lot of things to work through yet.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Calling Marty up and saying stupid stuff to him is what caused the PR flap.

 

[Veda]

Calling Marty up and saying stupid stuff to him is what caused the PR flap.

Marty's poorly thought-out written response to that unimportant phone call caused that minor PR flap; but I was referring to the good (major) PR flap resulting from the St. Petersburg Times' article.

 

[Cherished]

C - there's a LOT of the Anonymous who think Marty's behaviour shows that he still believes/applies the tech, and that he might fancy himself in DM's chair.

I would't say a "LOT". Some very vocal people are jumping to that conclusion. One or two post Anonymously a LOT.

I thought Marty handled himself well on the phone. Yes, he did misinterpret the conversation. But, given that, as he said from the start, he feels like he has a target on his back, that isn't surprising.

It was Marty who refers to the 'swamp,' ie, "I'm up to my ears in alligators."

Lol. It was a METAPHOR!

(Perfect example of how easily a miscommunication can happen.)

 

[clamicide]

I can't believe this...

I may be way off base, because I'm delusional with illness/lack of sleep/and trying to deal with the BS in my life. That being said:

I can't believe what a cluster-fuck of an argument this thread turned into.

WTF? How many people were disconnected from today? How many staff members wondered if they should split the packet of Top Ramen into two meals? How many SO members were scrubbing something with a toothbrush today? And this board is biting each other in the ass....

Sorry, as I said. I'm tired. People are individuals. Hell, one handle I used to do during PTS handlings after some Scio did something idiotic, was "Well, if a Catholic, did XYZ, would you say all Catholics were evil?" Worked rather well. Of course, now I DO realize the only folks I've met who all "have the same viewpoint" is people who have been indoctrinated by a cult. Live and learn. WTF is up with the wide brushstrokes of accusation due to affiliations?

I don't claim to have major knowledge of anons...but, the ones I have talked to have opinions and beliefs that are as different as night and day in many cases. and psssssssst....yeah...SOME of them ARE doing it just for the lulz. Who gives a damn? They are doing it...they are being effective...do I give a rat's ass what their reason is? Maybe you do, I don't. Oh, and I think I'm officially in lust with bluewiggirl after her posts on this thread. Rock on anon...dude, we are NOT each other's enemy...but, I can't stop you from fighting if you insist. (edit: not referring to anon, referring to everybody getting into the fray) How about we postpone it until after the cult tumbles?

 

[Cherished]

The SP Times article was the factor that ultimately caused Geir Isene to leave the CoS:

The real two year research with 1,5 hours of Internet reading and forum lurking as daily average didn’t start until the summer next year. It got priority when the Director of Special Affairs of Oslo Org asked if I could check something for him on the Internet. He told me that some journalist was about to write some fiction about David Miscavige beating his staff. It turned out it was not so fictitious after all. I checked and cross checked, fact checked and analyzed. When Tommy Davis seriously botched his rebuttal of the SP Times articles, I knew it was over for me as a member. I spent a couple of weeks to write down my conclusions. The rest is on this blog.

ie. We have Marty to thank for that. http://elysianchakorta.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/when-i-met-david-miscavige/

 

[alex]

I would't say a "LOT". Some very vocal people are jumping to that conclusion. One or two post Anonymously a LOT.

I thought Marty handled himself well on the phone. Yes, he did misinterpret the conversation. But, given that, as he said from the start, he feels like he has a target on his back, that isn't surprising.



Lol. It was a METAPHOR!

(Perfect example of how easily a miscommunication can happen.)

I've read the 16 or more pages on wwp about this too, and I dont think Marty is misinterpreting....

The one major point of the call was whether or not he disavowed scientology, which, obviously since he still uses it, he doesnt. The anon reply to that was that if not he will have to be a target.

That goes beyond trying to end the abusive culture in the present church, all the way to threatening an individual for practicing his beliefs.

Frankly the anon who made the call scares me. They seemed clueless as to the value people in the US place on their freedoms.

Anonymous calls to people telling them they will be a target if they do not act in a manner the caller wishes certainly deserves the KKK reference Marty made.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

\... and our plan to retrieve the ashes of L Ron Hubbard, have a necromancer reassemble them, and then make everybody suck his toes.

I favor the Cloning Project ala "The Boys From Brazil". 100 genetic duplicates of LRH roaming the world preaching the virtues of "standard tech" would send "antis" into apoplectic overwhelm.

It's time to "Send in the Clones"!


Mark ("Sondheim Forever") A. Baker

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I think we're aclone now...

 

[anonymous4223]

I would't say a "LOT". Some very vocal people are jumping to that conclusion. One or two post Anonymously a LOT.

I thought Marty handled himself well on the phone. Yes, he did misinterpret the conversation. But, given that, as he said from the start, he feels like he has a target on his back, that isn't surprising.



Lol. It was a METAPHOR!

(Perfect example of how easily a miscommunication can happen.)

Clearly it was a metaphor. It was the same when the anon commented on it...yet Marty seemed to take it quite literally, didn't he?

 

[scooter]

I may be way off base, because I'm delusional with illness/lack of sleep/and trying to deal with the BS in my life. That being said:

I can't believe what a cluster-fuck of an argument this thread turned into.

WTF? How many people were disconnected from today? How many staff members wondered if they should split the packet of Top Ramen into two meals? How many SO members were scrubbing something with a toothbrush today? And this board is biting each other in the ass....

Sorry, as I said. I'm tired. People are individuals. Hell, one handle I used to do during PTS handlings after some Scio did something idiotic, was "Well, if a Catholic, did XYZ, would you say all Catholics were evil?" Worked rather well. Of course, now I DO realize the only folks I've met who all "have the same viewpoint" is people who have been indoctrinated by a cult. Live and learn. WTF is up with the wide brushstrokes of accusation due to affiliations?

I don't claim to have major knowledge of anons...but, the ones I have talked to have opinions and beliefs that are as different as night and day in many cases. and psssssssst....yeah...SOME of them ARE doing it just for the lulz. Who gives a damn? They are doing it...they are being effective...do I give a rat's ass what their reason is? Maybe you do, I don't. Oh, and I think I'm officially in lust with bluewiggirl after her posts on this thread. Rock on anon...dude, we are NOT each other's enemy...but, I can't stop you from fighting if you insist. (edit: not referring to anon, referring to everybody getting into the fray) How about we postpone it until after the cult tumbles?

I'm with you Clammi - Marty stated from his very first post here that he had serious disagreements with Hubbard's basic philosophy on thought yet it seemed most people didn't pick up on that but kept chanting that he was still stuck in the cult think.

IMO Marty's got a brilliant tactical mind and he's currently dismantling DM's empire one city block at a time - if he doesn't have the time and concentration to handle every other question sent his way I reckon that's excusable as he's got a lot on his plate right now.

He's turned every attack from the cult into an EFFECTIVE counter-attack against DM, not the cult nor its philosophy nor adherents nor values. It's been brilliant to watch.

He'll make mistakes (we all do) and he's got a way to go to fully free himself from the cult mindf#*k (we all seem to have that too) but his current strategy is compulsive viewing for me.

 

[anonRELYT]

There seems to be this assumption that once someone leaves organized Scientology that they can do no wrong. Just because someone is helping in the fight, does not mean that they don't deserve any more criticism from when they were in. What I see in this thread is a lot of hugboxing and stubbornness.

Marty clearly lied about the content of the conversation, and he clearly made too big a deal of something could have easily been brushed off his shoulders. He still has his OSA attitude that he can't let go of, and is still mostly brainwashed, despite being able to escape from DM's control.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I disagree. ANY unsolicited call that is anything other than hearts and flowers deserves all the aggression anyone can unleash upon the caller. Personally, I think the UK anon got off lightly. Where does this person get off with this "I'm watching you" crap? Ick!

 

[scooter]

There seems to be this assumption that once someone leaves organized Scientology that they can do no wrong. Just because someone is helping in the fight, does not mean that they don't deserve any more criticism from when they were in. What I see in this thread is a lot of hugboxing and stubbornness.

Marty clearly lied about the content of the conversation, and he clearly made too big a deal of something could have easily been brushed off his shoulders. He still has his OSA attitude that he can't let go of, and is still mostly brainwashed, despite being able to escape from DM's control.

I don't disagree with you at all- my point is that there has been little recognition in many posts of where (IMO) the guy is at.

He's currently Number One on the cult's hitlist and he's (again IMO) playing it brilliantly and destroying DM mentally before our eyes.

He's stated he has no intention of leading a "reformed" cult - should he go back on that THEN let's all hammer him.

He's still thinking like an OSA/cultie in a lot of what he's doing (but so do I and a lot of others on this board when we're under stress) and I'm sure he'd agree with you that he's yet got a ways to go before he loses that totally.

All I ask is that the guy gets cut some slack and his current achievements be what we judge him by, not by any perceived "hidden agenda" someone may feel he has.

Anons have been a major part of the battle to dismantle the cult and I do get that a resurgent cult under Rathbun would be a huge blow to their fight to stop that damn thing dead. It would break my heart too.

But I'm willing to let this guy run without too much criticism of his actions or "apparent intentions" for now.

If for no other reason than to see what stupidities the cancerous little gnome commits in His efforts to "handle" Rathbun.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

There seems to be this assumption that once someone leaves organized Scientology that they can do no wrong.

Along with a parallel presumption by some that any person interested in the tenets of the subject of scientology must be up to no good. Neither assumption is completely valid.


Mark A. Baker

 

[anonRELYT]

I disagree. ANY unsolicited call that is anything other than hearts and flowers deserves all the aggression anyone can unleash upon the caller. Personally, I think the UK anon got off lightly. Where does this person get off with this "I'm watching you" crap? Ick!

IMO, I don't think he has intentions on taking over Scientology, and even if he did, it wouldn't work out too well. The caller may have said "We're watching you" as a means of, "I don't trust you, so in case you're being deceitful, we'll know", etc. I think it was just misinterpreted as stalking, or at least Marty twisted it that way.

But also, Marty is most likely very paranoid right now, and he has reason to be.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Ok. Sure. Basically, I would say that a call like that would make me rather uncomforable and/or pissed off...

I have noticed a lot of concern on the part of some critics that Rathbun is still auditing, etc. But you know, there is a Free Zone and some people go into that. Free Zoners do picket with anons in many cases and some anons say they support the rights (if not the beliefs) of Free Zoners. So why people are assuming that Rathbun wants to take over CofS instead of just hang out in the FZ doing his own thing, I'm not sure. I do think he's treated/regarded/spoken of differently because of his continuing interest in Scn "tech".

 

[Terril park]

IMO, I don't think he has intentions on taking over Scientology, and even if he did, it wouldn't work out too well. The caller may have said "We're watching you" as a means of, "I don't trust you, so in case you're being deceitful, we'll know", etc. I think it was just misinterpreted as stalking, or at least Marty twisted it that way.

But also, Marty is most likely very paranoid right now, and he has reason to be.

A declaration of war was given. This would normally be considered more serious than stalking?

 

[Terril park]

There seems to be this assumption that once someone leaves organized Scientology that they can do no wrong. Just because someone is helping in the fight, does not mean that they don't deserve any more criticism from when they were in. What I see in this thread is a lot of hugboxing and stubbornness.

Marty clearly lied about the content of the conversation, and he clearly made too big a deal of something could have easily been brushed off his shoulders. He still has his OSA attitude that he can't let go of, and is still mostly brainwashed, despite being able to escape from DM's control.

I've asked before and got no answer.

What lie did Marty say?

 

[Cherished]

Clearly it was a metaphor. It was the same when the anon commented on it...yet Marty seemed to take it quite literally, didn't he?

Other way around. The Anon (you?) took it literally as him saying he was by a swamp. He wasn't.