Kha Khan
Patron Meritorious
Marty: Clearwater Independents:
As an ex-Scientologist, my experience is that Scientologists and ex-Scientologists are, when compared to the population at large, disproportionately attracted to hierarchy, rules and text. They want a leader. They want someone to tell them the answers. They want someone to show them the way. Marty can fulfill that role.
The people who join, or in the past have joined, Scientology are less likely, when compared to the population at large, to form non-hierarchical, flat, spontaneous, organic, disorganized and chaotic organizations that one would expect to form on Facebook. Or like, well, Anonymous. After all, who would be the I/C (Scientologese for "In Charge")?
Let me also say that Marty is extremely and (depending on his motives and goals) disturbingly good at communicating with ex-Scientologists. Consider this small passage in his "Clearwater Independents" essay:
Only a Scientologist or ex-Scientologist would talk about someone's affinity being alloyed; no one else would use such language (or understand it). Conversely, any ex-Scientologist will instantly recognize this. Many ex-Scientologists will instantly respond to this and/or be impressed because in Scientology the Code of Honor is an entirely voluntary ethical code and is therefore considered by many Scientologists and ex-Scientologists to be the highest code there is.
The response of many exes will be: "Oh, she didn't allow her affinity for her son to be alloyed! She was acting consistent with the Code of Honor! Maybe these are true, ethical Scientologists with whom I can form a group...."
Also notice that Marty criticizes only "the Miscavology community." In Marty's view, there is nothing wrong with true Scientology. No, the fault lays with, and only with, "Miscavology."
In referring to "Miscavology" and "the Miscavology community" Marty has: (1) created advantageous shorthand lables; (2) delegitimized both DM and the current COS; (3) set himself up as a leader (or the leader?) of "true" Scientology; and (4) set up two recognizable opposing groups.
The last point can be particularly important if the Scientologist or ex-Scientologist applies the doubt formula. One cannot apply the doubt formula if there is not another "group" to "join or remain in or befriend." Which says something by itself.
Also notice the behavior he praises:
ps. The fact that Marty chose to post the picture of a cute kid was no accident. Think about how many people in this thread have already commented about the "cute kid."
On the WWP thread Marty Rathbun posts some Personal Stories some people posted, and I responded, as follows:Christie King Collbran was in the Sea Org from the age of 16 until the age of 29. She was well known as a hot shot Establishment Officer. She endured sadistic and bizarre injustice for the simple reason that she would not robotically follow demands to abandon her personal integrity. She finally left the Sea Org three years ago. Earlier this year she began to explore credible accounts of corruption at the top of the org board that corroborated her own observations. For having the integrity to simply explore the truth, her mother and father were recruited by Miscavology agents to intimidate her into silence and unthinking compliance. Despite their own misgivings about what the Church had become during their decades-long involvement, they chose to relay the Church’s ultimatum of “our way or the highway” to their daughter – and by extention to their two year old grandson. Christie was declared for failing to cave to this cowardly coercion tactic. Despite that she is going through a divorce, and is the mother of a wonderful child whom she cherishes and nurtures, she chose to maintain her personal integrity over the relatively comfortable life she had created for her family since leaving the SO. Her certainty has increased as she has strenghtened her personal integrity through this ordeal. She has spent more of her time sharing that strength with others similarly situated to herself than to her own personal future. Through all this Christie has become a more admirable example of what a real Scientologist is than I ever had the privilege to associate with during my decades within Miscavology.
Cathy Greenbaum was a Flag public in the nineties when she and her husband divorced. Since her husband was a high-roller “OT” Flag public, the Miscavology machine lurched its formidable canons on his side pointed at her. She was threatened with a suppressive person declare at the Mecca if she did not give up all of her legal rights in favor of her ex-husband. Cathy never allowed her affinity for her then-young child to be alloyed, and took the declare without forfeiting her personal integrity. She endured eleven years of isolation from all friends she had made in the Miscavology community. And while her husband steered her son into that community and attempted to alienate him from his mother, Cathy never abandoned her love for her child nor her own integrity. She had every reason to go after the Church of Scientology, to doubt everything she ever personally thought she got out of it, and cash in personally. Instead, she carried on with dignity and built her character through the adversity.You cannot bestow or manufacture strength like that. I don’t care how many FCCI intensives or IAS statuses you buy.
When Christie and Cathy connected up, these two incredible beings began to naturally acknowledge and validate one another’s virtues. Together,they generate a theta energy that can be felt and drawn upon from thousands of miles away. Their example humbles and inspires me and Mosey every day.
Christie can be reached at: [email protected]
Cathy can be reached at: [email protected]
Well the kid is pretty cute, but I don't understand why they chose to post this on Marty's page and not get a face book or something.
ChesleySullenberger is correct, but there is more to it than that.Because they're responding to his posts about building a community and they are most likely to be seen by like-minded people on MR's site.
The kid is very cute.
As an ex-Scientologist, my experience is that Scientologists and ex-Scientologists are, when compared to the population at large, disproportionately attracted to hierarchy, rules and text. They want a leader. They want someone to tell them the answers. They want someone to show them the way. Marty can fulfill that role.
The people who join, or in the past have joined, Scientology are less likely, when compared to the population at large, to form non-hierarchical, flat, spontaneous, organic, disorganized and chaotic organizations that one would expect to form on Facebook. Or like, well, Anonymous. After all, who would be the I/C (Scientologese for "In Charge")?
Let me also say that Marty is extremely and (depending on his motives and goals) disturbingly good at communicating with ex-Scientologists. Consider this small passage in his "Clearwater Independents" essay:
This language, this construction, is straight out of point 7 of the Scientology Code of Honor:Cathy never allowed her affinity for her then-young child to be alloyed, and took the declare without forfeiting her personal integrity.
7. Never permit your affinity to be alloyed.
Only a Scientologist or ex-Scientologist would talk about someone's affinity being alloyed; no one else would use such language (or understand it). Conversely, any ex-Scientologist will instantly recognize this. Many ex-Scientologists will instantly respond to this and/or be impressed because in Scientology the Code of Honor is an entirely voluntary ethical code and is therefore considered by many Scientologists and ex-Scientologists to be the highest code there is.
The response of many exes will be: "Oh, she didn't allow her affinity for her son to be alloyed! She was acting consistent with the Code of Honor! Maybe these are true, ethical Scientologists with whom I can form a group...."
Also notice that Marty criticizes only "the Miscavology community." In Marty's view, there is nothing wrong with true Scientology. No, the fault lays with, and only with, "Miscavology."
In referring to "Miscavology" and "the Miscavology community" Marty has: (1) created advantageous shorthand lables; (2) delegitimized both DM and the current COS; (3) set himself up as a leader (or the leader?) of "true" Scientology; and (4) set up two recognizable opposing groups.
The last point can be particularly important if the Scientologist or ex-Scientologist applies the doubt formula. One cannot apply the doubt formula if there is not another "group" to "join or remain in or befriend." Which says something by itself.
Also notice the behavior he praises:
Marty's message is that the praiseworthy conduct is not to doubt Scientology, or attempt to cash in, but to instead build one's character through adversity -- and to continue to believe in the tech.She had every reason to go after the Church of Scientology, to doubt everything she ever personally thought she got out of it, and cash in personally. Instead, she carried on with dignity and built her character through the adversity.You cannot bestow or manufacture strength like that.
ps. The fact that Marty chose to post the picture of a cute kid was no accident. Think about how many people in this thread have already commented about the "cute kid."