Marty Rathbun, any better than David Miscavige?

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Lol, I'm waiting for the thread, "Does Misterfabian have an axe to grind?"

Preaching:choir.

Google Truthseeker/alt.religion.scientology. Here is a critique I filched from http://www.mombu.com/religion/scien...1-case-books-control-time-court-10693922.html

Note that it refers to ARS, but I wouldn't be surprised if much of it fits on ESMB too.

Truth Seeker's True Lies

If you are a newbie to ARS (Alt.Religion.Scientology) and want to
educate yourself about Scientology don't waste your time with Truth
Seeker, he is a Scientologist Apologist and licensed for entertainment
purposes only.

I would advise checking out some excellent websites - http://www.xenu.net &
http://www.lermanet.com to get some verifiable documents ,news reports and
interviews.

I am a newbie to ARS and I must admit I was taken in and fooled by
Truth Seeker for a number of hours before I cottoned on to what was
happening. I don't like being deceived so I am writing this.

This post is on Truth Seeker but as he is just a nom de plume for a
Scientology body (more likely bodies) this is really about the
strategies and tactics Scientology is using on ARS.

Why Truth Seeker Is A Scientologist Apologist
----------------------------------------------
1 Serial Posting

Aim
---
To dilute and bury the posts of real critics of scientology who have
real information and opinions to share.

Evidence
---------
Truth Seeker is biggest poster on ARS. Over two hundred a week.


2 Absence Of Critical Content

Aim
----
To keep reader uninformed of the Scientology fraud and its excesses

Comment
---------
When you actually read his posts there is no real criticism of
Scientology. There are no hard hitting facts, no court case details,
no documentation, no reference to outside web resources, nothing even
faintly critical of Ron Hubbard.

Evidence
--------
For example here is the most damning thing 'Truth Seeker' has to say
about Ron Hubbard's fraud:

From 'The Reasons you should stay away from Scientology' Post...

What he meant to say was that LRH lectures and books are full of the
delusions & fantasies of a charismatic manic depressive fraud and
charlatan but somehow it came out as -

' -The first thing you must understand regarding Scientology is

Pretty damning... 'Not the way things are in the real world' - ROFL!
This isn't even a criticism ('What's True For You Is True For You').

3 Controlling Information

Aim
----
To control what information the reader sees, to keep the reader away
from Scientology criticism.

Truth Seeker trys to control and limit the reader's access to
information. He does this by reposting toothless posts (The 17 Lieing
Truths of Truth Seeker) and continuely referring readers to them.
Truth Seeker does not, apparently, believe in the internet as a tool
for finding the truth! He trys to frighten readers away from the
excellent web resources about CoS and trys to keep them locked into
his blandishments on ARS.

Evidence
---------
Post 'The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology'

'7. Some other posters on the newsgroup recommended that I log onto a
web site that is supposed to have more criticism of Scientology,
should I do this?

Answer: Doing so could be a very bad idea also.'

His scare tactic is to say, untruthfully, that Scientologists will
track them down using the internet - like tracing a call!

Another way to control information is to blacken the name of the
sources - 'Attack The Attackers'. This he does by calling most, if
not all, the long standing ARS critics as OSA Trolls.

Evidence
---------

Post "Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"


To be continued...


Always be folding,

Folding Pete
The signatory's "folding" refers to the distributed computing project, [email protected] (I assume!).

Paul
 

Lone Star

Crusader
By "axe to grind" do you mean has Marty done something to me personally without any real just cause? I guess I would have to say yes.

But I put up this post because I feel the content is true not because of what he did to me personally.

What he did to me is just a drop in the bucket of what its all about.

Did Marty spit on you when you were doing the squirrel buster op last summer? Or did he just ban you from his blog when he figured out that you are an OSA bitch?
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Wow. I just read those E-mails. The person who wrote those e-mails has the mind of a serial killer. Sicko.

PRE-cisely!

That's exactly why I lost my cool on the recent thread about Silvia that Misterfabian started.

The idea that we give ANY air time to this creep and his machinations makes me ill.

TG1
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
:roflmao:

You can't even pretend to diss "Source" can you? You've been outed OSA bitch. Keep posting in vain.

I think maybe this guy is just not all the way out and is still unable to speak his true thoughts. Would OSA really send someone in here with such a lame cover? It would be much more effective to send him in as a raging anti so he could make friends.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I don't trust Marty R, particularly, but I will point out a distinct difference between him and Miscavige.

Marty R left and at least came clean about SOME of the stuff.

Has Micavige done either of those things? I think not.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
I think maybe this guy is just not all the way out and is still unable to speak his true thoughts. Would OSA really send someone in here with such a lame cover? It would be much more effective to send him in as a raging anti so he could make friends.

Not sure what your experience is but if you are an ex then you probably have a vastly inflated idea of what osa can do.

Keep some very simple facts in mind.

They are morons. No kidding. Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun represent the pinnacle of OSA intellect. 'nuff said.

There are not very many of them. Scientology is a pretty small cult. Thats why they keep recycling losers like this twat Higgs.

These people think Hubbard was smart. Seriously - they think a bloated, psychopath charging around the seas in a converted cattle transport is some sort intergalactic genius. Don't expect them to do intelligent things. If they were intelligent they would be doing something much smarter like cooking fries at McDonalds.

They are scientologists - they are among the top 0.0005 % of the top 1% of gullible prats on the face of the earth. You know those stories of the idiots who sent money to Nigeria to help transfer their fees ? Well those dweebs would run rings around OSA.

They may be vicious little twerps, but they are just not very smart.
 

Misterfabian

Patron with Honors
Where did the idea of culling folders originate?

Betraying someone's trust has been going on since the beginning of time. It finally came home to me what a bunch of criminals they are when they started doing it to "AnonSparrow". If they would do it to him, they would do it to me, they would do it to anyone. Just like Panda said, it's about controlling Scientologists.
 

TheRealNoUser

Patron with Honors
I know I'm new here, but how can anybody not think of MisterFabian as being a shameless troll?

It took literally 45 seconds of internet searching to find that MisterFabian is Tim Higgs, also known as Truthseeker.
Silvia Kusada posts some personal email's she's received from him here.
I had never heard of that blog. Wow, it is great to read some of the wacky shit that Scientologists believe - whether in or out of the official "Church". I had forgotten the mindfuck that they are all dealing with on a daily basis - applying this policy, applying that policy, blah blah blah.

Holy crap. It's funny and very, very sad at the same time.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Google Truthseeker/alt.religion.scientology. Here is a critique I filched from http://www.mombu.com/religion/scien...1-case-books-control-time-court-10693922.html

Note that it refers to ARS, but I wouldn't be surprised if much of it fits on ESMB too.

Truth Seeker's True Lies

If you are a newbie to ARS (Alt.Religion.Scientology) and want to
educate yourself about Scientology don't waste your time with Truth
Seeker, he is a Scientologist Apologist and licensed for entertainment
purposes only.

I would advise checking out some excellent websites - http://www.xenu.net &
http://www.lermanet.com to get some verifiable documents ,news reports and
interviews.

I am a newbie to ARS and I must admit I was taken in and fooled by
Truth Seeker for a number of hours before I cottoned on to what was
happening. I don't like being deceived so I am writing this.

This post is on Truth Seeker but as he is just a nom de plume for a
Scientology body (more likely bodies) this is really about the
strategies and tactics Scientology is using on ARS.

Why Truth Seeker Is A Scientologist Apologist
----------------------------------------------
1 Serial Posting

Aim
---
To dilute and bury the posts of real critics of scientology who have
real information and opinions to share.

Evidence
---------
Truth Seeker is biggest poster on ARS. Over two hundred a week.


2 Absence Of Critical Content

Aim
----
To keep reader uninformed of the Scientology fraud and its excesses

Comment
---------
When you actually read his posts there is no real criticism of
Scientology. There are no hard hitting facts, no court case details,
no documentation, no reference to outside web resources, nothing even
faintly critical of Ron Hubbard.

Evidence
--------
For example here is the most damning thing 'Truth Seeker' has to say
about Ron Hubbard's fraud:

From 'The Reasons you should stay away from Scientology' Post...

I remember Truth Seeker. I'm not sure

What he meant to say was that LRH lectures and books are full of the
delusions & fantasies of a charismatic manic depressive fraud and
charlatan but somehow it came out as -

' -The first thing you must understand regarding Scientology is

Pretty damning... 'Not the way things are in the real world' - ROFL!
This isn't even a criticism ('What's True For You Is True For You').

3 Controlling Information

Aim
----
To control what information the reader sees, to keep the reader away
from Scientology criticism.

Truth Seeker trys to control and limit the reader's access to
information. He does this by reposting toothless posts (The 17 Lieing
Truths of Truth Seeker) and continuely referring readers to them.
Truth Seeker does not, apparently, believe in the internet as a tool
for finding the truth! He trys to frighten readers away from the
excellent web resources about CoS and trys to keep them locked into
his blandishments on ARS.

Evidence
---------
Post 'The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology'

'7. Some other posters on the newsgroup recommended that I log onto a
web site that is supposed to have more criticism of Scientology,
should I do this?

Answer: Doing so could be a very bad idea also.'

His scare tactic is to say, untruthfully, that Scientologists will
track them down using the internet - like tracing a call!

Another way to control information is to blacken the name of the
sources - 'Attack The Attackers'. This he does by calling most, if
not all, the long standing ARS critics as OSA Trolls.

Evidence
---------

Post "Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"


To be continued...


Always be folding,

Folding Pete
The signatory's "folding" refers to the distributed computing project, [email protected] (I assume!).

Paul

I remember Truth Seeker from a.r.s., and Truth Seeker usually included critical-of-Scientology content in his posts. That was part of his schtick, and part of what confused people. However, he wouldn't go beyond a certain point and, if pushed, could flip out.
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
I had never heard of that blog. Wow, it is great to read some of the wacky shit that Scientologists believe - whether in or out of the official "Church". I had forgotten the mindfuck that they are all dealing with on a daily basis - applying this policy, applying that policy, blah blah blah.

Holy crap. It's funny and very, very sad at the same time.

The same here...I usually don't follow links off of ESMB (although I post a shitload of 'em)...but after reading Veda's comment and serial killers I couldn't resist.

This whole thing is so goddamned stupid that I cannot get away from it!

It's like a black hole of stupid that just keeps sucking in stupid crap for ever.

I'll make it like a week or something and then consider some other stupid thing I've experienced in Scientology and, before I know it, I'm logging back onto ESMB, wasting my time reading craziness and then I'm posting more to add to it!

Live is but a dream, sweetheart!
 

Lone Star

Crusader
Betraying someone's trust has been going on since the beginning of time. It finally came home to me what a bunch of criminals they are when they started doing it to "AnonSparrow". If they would do it to him, they would do it to me, they would do it to anyone. Just like Panda said, it's about controlling Scientologists.

Notice how vague this post is. It could be in reference to anything. MF I have to hand it to ya...you just put your head down and keep chuggin along.

I'll repeat the question with emphasis: Where did the idea of culling the folders come from? Specifically WHO originated the practice?
 
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