Marty Rathbun, any better than David Miscavige?

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Sunday, April 1, 2012
Scientology in the Real World
Recently, I've just been watching. Scientology watching has become one of my entertainments. There's David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology, there's all the secrets, lies, crimes, abuses and fraud getting almost daily exposure and then there is the "Independent Scientology movement".

I find the Independent Scientologists to be the most fascinating. Here we have a perfect test of Scientology's workability unfolding right before our eyes. How can Scientology exist outside of the tightly controlled environment of the cult?

Enough time has passed for us to be able to see what Scientology is going to be like in a free and open environment.

Inside the Church of Scientology, the environment is very, very tightly controlled -- exactly as L. Ron Hubbard designed it to be. Anything negative about Hubbard or Scientology is condemned as "entheta" and is off limits. As a "good Scientologist", one cannot and will not talk to people who speak entheta. One cannot read entheta articles or listen to any entheta. That is thought control and is one of the cult's mechanisms for keeping the True Believers from straying from the approved path.

But now we have the Independent Scientology movement. They have much, much less control. If you talk to the "wrong people" according to one Scientology practitioner -- who then refuses to audit you (because you are a "bad person") -- why you can just go elsewhere.

The leaders of the Independent movement do not have enough control to stop a Scientologist from talking to anyone or reading anything.

And now we can see what happens to Scientology when the cultic thought control has been removed and when the standard threats have no weight. Can Scientology survive in a free environment?

Well, what is happening?

If you've perused the various Independent Scientology blogs, you will see Scientologists desperately attempting to enforce the old thought control. Any disagreement or entheta posted on one of their blogs gets shouted down or simply blocked. Many posts and comments on ESMB and Censored by Marty attest to the censoring that goes on at that blog.

The people running the blogs try to keep the movement clean of such entheta but, as I said earlier, they simply don't have the power to enforce it.

Scientologists outside of the church can read and can talk without fear of any meaningful punishment. Any normal person will absolutely hate and rebel against the kind of totalitarian thought-control as practiced by Scientology. You can't stop people from wanting to know more, to know the truth. And so people will look.

The more the leading voices of the Independent Scientology movement try to suppress other voices and dissenting opinions, the more people will resist. And rebel. And look.

That is happening more and more.

What has happened as a result of all this? How is the Independent Scientology movement doing without the ability to control believer's thoughts, communication and actions?

As near as I can tell, back in very early 2010, Marty Rathbun and Steve Hall had this "bright idea". They called it the "Indie 500". The idea was to get 500 Independent Scientologists to "come out" and declare their independence from the Church of Scientology. The website's definition of exactly who was an "Independent Scientologist" was extremely broad: "Anyone who uses any part of Scientology Tech, even if other parts are not true for you."

Now, over two years later, the list stands at a little over 300. It is obvious to me that someone created the original few hundred entries without getting approval from the people they were listing: In reading through the list, I see a number who do not now consider themselves "Scientologists" in any way. In addition, I know of more who's names appeared on the list and asked them to be removed.

After two years, even with those false entries, the Independent Scientology movement can't find 500 people who use "any part of Scientology Tech" who want to be associated with the movement. Why? Certainly many, many more than 500 people have left the Church of Scientology.

The reason that Scientology outside of the totalitarian control of the Church of Scientology cannot and will never thrive is because Scientology cannot coexist with open communication. Scientology cannot coexist with full access to all the information. Scientology cannot exist without its cultic thought-control.

My only question is: Can any part of Scientology exist in an open and free environment? I certainly don't know, only time will tell.

What do you think? If you are out of the church, what is your experience with the Independent Movement?
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Posted by Just Bill at 1:00 PM Labels: Independent Scientology, Thought Control
22 comments:

AnonymousApr 1, 2012 03:55 PM

Bill, what do you think of Marty R's recent posts where he seems to agree that Hubbard lied about his past, or at least that Hubbard's storytelling does not need to be taken literally? Is this his attempt to salvage the "tech," while jettisoning the extreme dogmatism and thought control?
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Just BillApr 1, 2012 05:28 PM

Everyone who leaves the Church of Scientology has to go through certain stages -- or reject the Real World entirely. This is one of the stages and a very early one. "Yes, apparently Hubbard didn't always tell the truth about his life but..."

And following that "but ..." are all the reasons why the Scientologist is still clinging to the rest of the whole belief structure: "but it was meant as a metaphor", "but he was joking", "but his technology still works", and so on.

It's an early step away from "Ron was perfect and created a perfect technology". There are more steps to go before the Scientologist accepts the truth of it all........
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate

That was an excellent article, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. It's funny that Independent Scientology's viability is in question (exactly as the Church of Miscavige would want it to be...) and yet the reason that Independent Scientology isn't growing... would appear to be because of Scientology.

Many of the people who leave the mainstream Scientology cult do so because they've had enough of the abuses, but it would appear that the vast majority of them also find that they've had enough of "hip hip hooray" nonsense for the convicted fraudster L. Ron Hubbard.

This is unsurprising. The 'tech' stinks. It's served its purpose: Ron's gone. He doesn't need your money or your adulation anymore! Nor is he on hand to keep papering over the cracks. So, Scientology is dying away -- and making Miscavige the scapegoat for the failings of the whole philosophy only earns the Hubbardite a temporary reprieve.

Okay: Miscavige is a suppressive person (even in 'wog' terms, so I'll concede Marty's point here). So let's get away from Miscavige. Maybe visit Marty's [STRIKE]ideal org[/STRIKE] house. Now, Marty: hit me with some old-school Scientology. Make me a clear so I don't need glasses anymore, I never forget anything, and I am immune to disease.

... oh. It still doesn't work, even in the cheapzone.

The last decade must have been the biggest recruiting opportunity that Independent Scientology will ever experience. In the first decade of the 21st century, CofS shrank in membership by more than 50%. This means that there can never again be as many people leaving Scientology, and potentially transferring to the cheapzone. There simply aren't enough left 'in'. If Independent Scientology (not just Church of Martyology but also people like Geir and my mate Terril) hasn't boomed by now, it isn't going to.

I'm starting to think that Independent Scientology is actually a misnomer. In reality, the cheapzone is codependent, which means that it's in a relationship that it can't get out of, in which the other party exhibits a self-destructive behavior. Marty's cheapzone can't exist without the Church of Miscavige, because it's defined by its opposition to the Church of Miscavige. It's also the only source of members, the only entity publishing all those otherwise unwanted books, lectures and Hubbard memorabilia, and the only thing to rally against.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I'm starting to think that Independent Scientology is actually a misnomer. In reality, the cheapzone is codependent, which means that it's in a relationship that it can't get out of, in which the other party exhibits a self-destructive behavior. Marty's cheapzone can't exist without the Church of Miscavige, because it's defined by its opposition to the Church of Miscavige. It's also the only source of members, the only entity publishing all those otherwise unwanted books, lectures and Hubbard memorabilia, and the only thing to rally against.

Not really. Marty's main thing seems to be fighting Miscavige, but the main thing in the cheapzone (good name!) really is the tech and not the CofS. IFA (or ASPIC* or whatever-the-fuck unmemorable acronym it expediently turned itself into to try and lure in all those juicy rich Indies) models itself on the CofS but concentrates on the immutable tech of "Laffy" and not so much church-bashing.

*ASPIC = Association of Scientology Professional Independents and Cheapzoners

Paul
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
I remember getting fed up with the insanity and starting an invest online into the sanctioned CO$ only to discover the Meade Emory stuff and Hubbard's Vistaril and all that.

It all made perfect sense...Ms. Cavige was an SP...a squirrel!!!!!

I wanted to save the tech and soon discovered the Free Zone!

Yippee!! The WW OT Watchdog Committee and stuff!!

Finally, some sanity to the madness!! Some honest to god practical OT reasoning applied and the salvation of the tech and all that. People without their bank who can appreciate the tech for its purity and all that.

Then I started reading it and up pops Astar Parmesan cheese or something and Elron Elray.

The madness never ends...it just gets deeper and deeper...

That's when I discovered just how big of a dipshit fool am I...as were we all.
 

Veda

Sponsor
How about:

In-dependent = the need to be "in" something.



Or maybe, HIM
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DEPENDENTS.
 
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