Marty Rathbun: KSW & Fundamentalist Independents

[Infinite]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

. . . <snip> . . . [*]Having been caught by ‘sticky electronic beams’ after they have been exteriorised from their bodies by murder, why would captive thetans that are going to roam around the place for 75,000,000 years be implanted with information about Christianity - something which would only become relevant in the last 2,000 years of their stay on Earth?[/LIST]

Heh! Excellent. As to this one, apparently Christianity may be an abberation of an abberation. L Ron Hubbard doesn't know for sure how it developed. He only suggests that Christianity came about because some people somewhere watched some mad men who might have got hold of parts of R6.

[video=youtube_share;60HzfzQxMEc]http://youtu.be/60HzfzQxMEc[/video]​

 

[Panda Termint]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Yes, I must have a misunderstood word.

Oh: here it is... "Swindle". I understand Scientology much better now I've looked that up.

Lol. Good one.

Nah, I was referring to the "transportation" to Teegeeack (side note: which name for Earth is best understood as Tee Hee! Gee! Ack!). The mythology of OT3 doesn't include transporting meat bodies to Earth.

Veda will show you a Hubbard-approved illustration where "Boxes Of Thetans" are being loaded aboard for transportation, if you ask nicely.

 

[JBWriter]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

I have examined the Myth at the heart of OTIII before, so apologies if you've already seen this... but there are some very obvious outpoints...

• If the each of the 76 planets in Galactic Overlord Xenu’s sector contained on average 178 billion people... how many space-faring DC8 look-alike starships were available to transport this population? That’s 13,350,000,000,000 people, if we assume that the people on one planet (Teegeeack) didn’t need to be transported. A DC8 carries a maximum of 259 economy-class passengers, so to move them all requires 51,544,401,500 return journeys to be made. So how big was the space fleet, and couldn’t the resources required be used to do something more sensible to solve overpopulation? The price of 51,544,401,500 space trips would have bought a lot of condoms. Or Sea Org-style abortions.
• Why is it that something like ten of the twelve volcanoes named by Hubbard as sites for the atomic bomb blasts at the core of Xenu’s nefarious scheme didn’t actually exist 75 million years ago?
• With our own "heavy gravity planet" struggling to support a mere 7 billion people... how could planets back in the days of Xenu support 178 billion people, on average?
• If you’ve already immobilised a guy and stuck him in the lung with a mixture of ‘frozen alcohol and glycol’... why not just drop him into a star, and skip all the embarrassing volcano shit? Why not stab him in the lung with a dagger, instead of messing about with a hypodermic?
• Having been caught by ‘sticky electronic beams’ after they have been exteriorised from their bodies by murder, why would captive thetans that are going to roam around the place for 75,000,000 years be implanted with information about Christianity - something which would only become relevant in the last 2,000 years of their stay on Earth?
• ‘Solving overpopulation’ doesn’t normally involve killing everybody. Isn’t that kind of counterproductive? I mean, you’d want some people left in your empire, wouldn’t you? If so... where are they now?
• If the ‘Loyal Officers’ were finally able to overthrow Xenu and lock him up... why didn’t they clear up the mess he created? Why didn’t they either vacuum up all the loose thetans again and assist them, or destroy them... or simply sterilise Teegeeack, so that no host bodies or future victims would evolve?
• Why is the bad guy’s name sometimes spelled Xenu, and sometimes Xemu, anyway? I mean, are Ron's methods *gasp* prone to inaccuracy?

<-----Because I couldn't find the emoticon that said "Excellent Posting", which this is, so !!!

JB.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Lol. Good one.

Nah, I was referring to the "transportation" to Teegeeack (side note: which name for Earth is best understood as Tee Hee! Gee! Ack!). The mythology of OT3 doesn't include transporting meat bodies to Earth.

Veda will show you a Hubbard-approved illustration where "Boxes Of Thetans" are being loaded aboard for transportation, if you ask nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwlzBlurwWo



Oh yeh, the twisted ol' bligthter was very, very serious, this wasn't metaphorical joshing around, he was 'teaching'........ Bwahahahahaha!

Good-fried-brass-dogs-onna-pogo-stick-batty-boy! To the gyro-nubulator!

 

[JBWriter]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Marty's way ahead of you. He's already publicly described OT 3 as just a metaphor.

Sophisticated Scientology PRs are delighted to have people referring to OT 3 as a "myth."

Years ago, the "Church" of Scientology even hired a "religious expert" to present his "expert" opinion that it's a "myth" - and a "metaphor."

Newbie here.

So...the M&M people refer to is Myth & Metaphor? (I'd thought it was Marty&Mike or Mike&Marty - silly me - this makes much more sense. )

Got it, thanks!

JB.

 

[Veda]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwlzBlurwWo



Oh yeh, the twisted ol' bligthter was very, very serious, this wasn't metaphorical joshing around, he was 'teaching'........ Bwahahahahaha!

Good-fried-brass-dogs-onna-pogo-stick-batty-boy! To the gyro-nubulator!

That's right, Marty is bullshiting when he tells people that it's a metaphor.

Marty could say other things. He could say that OT 3 is not true and that he doesn't recommend that people do OT 3 anymore.

But when he calls OT 3 a metaphor, that's a tip off that Marty is still trying to handle us with LYING.

 

[Andtheyalllived]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Here comes Jim Logan's retort:


Jim Logan | January 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Reply
Actually, it was “opened up” by various and sundry media, including the article referred to here, on your blog, by Tony Ortega re John Sweeney, by, you.


Your question about “75,000,000 years ago” in light of the topics you referred to, the Ortega article and considering Sweeney’s various comments, including his recent “mockumentary” video on the “space alien cathedral” among other juicy bits would, to consider your comment here, be all disrelated, and I’m merely “mocking it up”.


Marty responds with the lyrics to Lauryn Hill's Mr Intentional. Cuz he's deep and mysterious. And passive-aggressive as hell. And can't keep his PR story straight.

martyrathbun09 | January 9, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Reply




Lyrics, for those who cannot get past the genre, race and dress of the artist:
“Mr. Intentional”


Yeah, yeaaayh, yeah heh, yeah heh, yeah heh…
See the road to hell, is paved with good intentions
Can’t you tell, the way they have to mention
How they helped you out, you’re such a hopeless victim
Please don’t do me any favors, Mr. Intentional
All their talk, is seasoned to perfection
The road they walk, commanding your affection
They need to be needed, deceived by motivation
An opportunity, to further situation
Why they so important, is without explanation
Please don’t patrionize me, Mr. Intentional
Oh, ohhh, ohh ohhh
We give rise to ego, by being insecure
The advice that we go, desperatly searching for
The subconscious effort, to support our paramour
To engage in denial, to admit we’re immature
Validating lies, Mr. Intentional
Open up yours eyes, Mr. Intentional
Stuck in a system, that seeks to suck your blood
Held emotionally hostage, by what everybody does
Counting all the money, that you give them just because
Exploiting ignorance, in the name of love
Stop before you drop because that’s just the way it was
Please don’t justify me, Mr. Intentional
Oh undimensional, Mr. Intentional
Ohhh, oh don’t you do me any favors
Ohhh, ohhhh, ohh ohhhh
Wake up you’ve been sleeping
Take up your bed and walk
Stop blaming other people
Oh it’s nobody else’s fault
Except the truth about you
You know that life goes on without you
And your expensive misinventions
Disguising your intentions
Don’t worship my hurt feelings, Mr. Intentional
Oh, oh oh oh
See I know you can’t help me, Mr. Intentional
The only help I need to live, is unprofessional
The only wealth I have to give, is not material
And if you need much more than that, I’m not available
Please don’t entertain me, Mr. Intentional
Oh I dont need your sympthy, Mr. Intentional
Stay away from me, Mr. Intentional
So undimensional, Mr. Promotional, Mr. Emotional, Mr. Intentional
Ohhh ohhhh, ohhhh

 

[Anonycat]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

I have examined the Myth at the heart of OTIII before, so apologies if you've already seen this... but there are some very obvious outpoints...

• If the each of the 76 planets in Galactic Overlord Xenu’s sector contained on average 178 billion people... how many space-faring DC8 look-alike starships were available to transport this population? That’s 13,350,000,000,000 people, if we assume that the people on one planet (Teegeeack) didn’t need to be transported. A DC8 carries a maximum of 259 economy-class passengers, so to move them all requires 51,544,401,500 return journeys to be made. So how big was the space fleet, and couldn’t the resources required be used to do something more sensible to solve overpopulation? The price of 51,544,401,500 space trips would have bought a lot of condoms. Or Sea Org-style abortions.
  
• Why is it that something like ten of the twelve volcanoes named by Hubbard as sites for the atomic bomb blasts at the core of Xenu’s nefarious scheme didn’t actually exist 75 million years ago?
  
• With our own "heavy gravity planet" struggling to support a mere 7 billion people... how could planets back in the days of Xenu support 178 billion people, on average?
  
• If you’ve already immobilised a guy and stuck him in the lung with a mixture of ‘frozen alcohol and glycol’... why not just drop him into a star, and skip all the embarrassing volcano shit? Why not stab him in the lung with a dagger, instead of messing about with a hypodermic?
  
• Having been caught by ‘sticky electronic beams’ after they have been exteriorised from their bodies by murder, why would captive thetans that are going to roam around the place for 75,000,000 years be implanted with information about Christianity - something which would only become relevant in the last 2,000 years of their stay on Earth?
  
• ‘Solving overpopulation’ doesn’t normally involve killing everybody. Isn’t that kind of counterproductive? I mean, you’d want some people left in your empire, wouldn’t you? If so... where are they now?
  
• If the ‘Loyal Officers’ were finally able to overthrow Xenu and lock him up... why didn’t they clear up the mess he created? Why didn’t they either vacuum up all the loose thetans again and assist them, or destroy them... or simply sterilise Teegeeack, so that no host bodies or future victims would evolve?
  
• Why is the bad guy’s name sometimes spelled Xenu, and sometimes Xemu, anyway? I mean, are Ron's methods *gasp* prone to inaccuracy?

Good one! I did an analysis and came up with things like you did. Hawaii wasn't there, and stuff like that. I did learn that there were volcanoes on planets closer-by, too.

How do you kidnap and store that many people - neighbors are missing and people are disappearing over what must have been a great deal of time. Inject and store bodies like crazy. Then what, find a billion pilots that happen to own their own DC-8 spaceships and omg where do a billion spaceship planes take off from? Logistics disaster. Food for a billion pilots and staff in the billions I'd think. So now you have populated the entire planet with this plan. You need to bring bombs. You need to bring or build the soul-catcher above the volcanoes. You need the majestic Thetan Theater built or brought. All this because they couldn't figure out where babies come from? Awful, awful writing. I posted this a while back:

_____________________

Ok, say you're an evil galactic roolaah, and birth control methods never ocour to you, and next thing you know, a few million year have passed and you realize that you better get off ass.

NOTES FROM THE DESK OF XENU

TO DO LIST - IMPORTANT!

1) Find billions of pilots with their own interplanetary space craft. Who'll pay for gas and their own snacks & stuff. Also, ones who don't mind finding a rough place to land on some very rough terrain.

2) Freeze unsuspecting citizens by the billion and store them. Note: find big storage space. Also, select citizens who don't have telephones or any way to contact others to alert them to the fact that hundreds of billions are being killed, door-to-door.

3) Get the billions of bodies into the spaceships. Maybe get extra volunteers for that day ... or maybe for about 50 years. That's a lot of dead bodies now that I think of it. SHI-! Why didn't I think of birth control! Note: Fire some body.

4) We'll fly past planets with volcanoes on them, and try to locate the yet to be formed Mt. Shasta, Hawaiian Islands, and other places. I'm hard-headed that way. Go figure. We'll have to get the bodies underwater where Hawaii has not yet formed above the ocean's surface and cram them in a volcanic fissure at the floor of the sea. Tough day for the volunteers. Ha!

5) We're gonna have to catch the souls and work on them for a while. Have the carpenters make some magnetic soul catchers (good name for my band) and enough catchers for 300 billion, and some way to suspend them over volcanoes. Wait, too easy - volcanoes with BOMBS in them! Hell yeah!

6) Carpenter's will have to make the soul theaters too, and we're expecting all souls to attend. Note: Make a 'Plan B' if soul catchers fail. that would suck.

7) Don't forget to tell everyone to stay away from my eternally powered force-field thing. I can hear mom now - "you only bought that 20 million years ago, and now you've lost it?" Even if I did lose it, what's the worst that could happen?

8) Buy stock in syringes, glycol and alcohol.

9) PROFIT!

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

I think you may have misunderstood the mythology.

Yes and to each his/her/it's own mythology as long as one is cognizant of creating that placebo. The road to freedom is built on placebos.
Ron said...... ahhhhhhhh who cares.

 

[Bill]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

I was looking at several instances where Marty Rathbun has attempted to do PR damage control, using several variations of shore stories, in an attempt to make the PR problem of Xenu and Incident 2 go away, and he's sloppy. He shifts from one lie and half truth to another lie and half truth. He claims that all religions use exorcism and that exorcism is not so strange, in one place, then, in another place, asserts that Scientology's Body Thetans are metaphors.

He claims that "Incident 2" is an analogy, then that it's a metaphor, then he insists that he "doesn't believe anything," then he displays his "Creed" (which is the Creed of the Church of Scientology) which announces, "We believe..."

Marty is still having his "pre-clears" do OT 3, and also OT 2 which is almost as strange as OT 3, although OT 3 is the hot button item that must be treated like Kryptonite if Scientology is to regain respectability.

The tension between Logan and Rathbun is the inevitable tension that arises between a Scientology "tech" person and a Scientology PR person - particularly a high level Intel-PR operative.

Keep in mind that Marty is on a self-assigned "mission" to make L. Ron Hubbard, and Hubbard's Scientology, accepted, or at least tolerated and not laughed at, by the non-Scientology public, especially by people that he regards as non-Scientologist "Opinion Leaders."

The tension between Rathbun and Logan is inevitable.

Marty does not seem to be handling it well.

Has Marty ever explained what all these were metaphors FOR? Xenu and the Body Thetans are "metaphors" for ... what? ... going insane?

Bill

 

[Veda]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Has Marty ever explained what all these were metaphors FOR? Xenu and the Body Thetans are "metaphors" for ... what? ... going insane?

Bill

As far as I am aware, there's been no explanation or clarification.

It's just an old PR handling that supposed to make the Homo Saps stop ridiculing Hubbard and Hubbard's Scientology about OT 3, etc.

 

[Petey C]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Some excellent posts here. It's all about the supply chain.

I've often wondered why DC8s -- could Hubbard not imagine anything bigger or more powerful?

 

[ClearedSP]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Having been caught by ‘sticky electronic beams’ after they have been exteriorised from their bodies by murder, why would captive thetans that are going to roam around the place for 75,000,000 years be implanted with information about Christianity - something which would only become relevant in the last 2,000 years of their stay on Earth?

In HOM, Hubbard says that we only started occupying bodies on this planet 70,000 years ago. That means that we had to twiddle our thetany thumbs for almost 10M years before a meteor would wipe out the dinosaurs. We had a LOT of time on our hands, so I think they just wanted to give us something to think about and discuss while we were waiting for homo saps to evolve. Kinda thoughtful, really.

 

[Infinite]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

In HOM, Hubbard says that we only started occupying bodies on this planet 70,000 years ago. That means that we had to twiddle our thetany thumbs for almost 10M years before a meteor would wipe out the dinosaurs. We had a LOT of time on our hands, so I think they just wanted to give us something to think about and discuss while we were waiting for homo saps to evolve. Kinda thoughtful, really.

Aren't the Thetans currently occupying human bodies relatively new arrivals to Teegeeac while its the Body Thetans which are the ones who had to hang around so long? My understanding is that the early humans were "driven" by their Genetic Entity which the new arrivals have shoved aside. Oh, it all gets so confusing . . . can anyone clear this up for bewildered me?

 

[Thrak]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Some excellent posts here. It's all about the supply chain.

I've often wondered why DC8s -- could Hubbard not imagine anything bigger or more powerful?

Seriously. All he had to do was watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIAKj3Gl1E

 

[GreyLensman]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

In HOM, Hubbard says that we only started occupying bodies on this planet 70,000 years ago. That means that we had to twiddle our thetany thumbs for almost 10M years before a meteor would wipe out the dinosaurs. We had a LOT of time on our hands, so I think they just wanted to give us something to think about and discuss while we were waiting for homo saps to evolve. Kinda thoughtful, really.

Hello? What about... Dinosaurs!!! And cockroaches, bet they were around (they are always around... especially under the skin, where you have to itch real hard to let them loose...)

 

[ClearedSP]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

Hello? What about... Dinosaurs!!! And cockroaches, bet they were around (they are always around... especially under the skin, where you have to itch real hard to let them loose...)

Hey, I wouldn't be squeamish about an animal body, and did run some stuff where I fancied myself in one. But Hubbard obviously didn't feel that way, since he suggested that thetans turned their noses up at all other sorts of bodies but homo sap. I don't know whether he thought such a body was utterly beneath him, or whether it lacked sufficient sci-fi potential, or if he just didn't want anyone asking him why he ate animal corpses. But he said it, so now he's stuck with it.

 

[Bill]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

As far as I am aware, there's been no explanation or clarification.

It's just an old PR handling that supposed to make the Homo Saps stop ridiculing Hubbard and Hubbard's Scientology about OT 3, etc.

Of course, more to the point -- why are there detailed and precise instructions for auditing a "metaphore".

Bill

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Rathbun vs Logan TechRap-apalooza

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EVOLUTION OF A SCIENCE
The Checklist​

Ordinary man rises above human condition, single-handedly attains mystical insight to universal knowledge, then returning to the physical realm to save all souls with divine wisdom and a certain path to blissful immortality. [Done! L. Ron Hubbard]

Revelations are copyrighted, printed and sold as Book I by Guru I. [Done! L. Ron Hubbard]

Cult is incorporated as a religious non-profit entity, in order to aggregate and "save" taxes and "save" physical universe energy (money) with which to "save" beings. [Done! L. Ron Hubbard]

For some decades, further Revelations are channeled and sold by Guru I, who incessantly rambles about them to death (others and self). [Done! L. Ron Hubbard]

Guru II picks up where ascended Guru I left off, inheriting a kingdom of seriously servile sycophants who barely notice that another ordinary person has somehow secured an exclusive licensing deal as the sole on-line agency to download and distribute late-breaking New Testament Revelations on a pay-per-view basis. [Done! David Miscavige]

Guru II--noting that his predecessor's extended reign resulted in a proliferation of disgruntled & disaffected cult members who did not get what they paid for--dials up the militancy of the sacred scripture to diabolical levels (11 on the e-meter dial) in order to shock-and-awe the cult members into being quiet about the fact that none of it worked. [Done! David Miscavige]

A top general in Guru II's SS (Spiritual Services) brigade defects and claims that Guru II's exclusive licensing deal to Universal Knowledge is now in the public domain and that he, alone, has successfully gotten on-line and back-engineered the Source code and was able to "jailbreak" (think iPhone) the GPS application that gives real-time directions to one's preferred eternity destination. The chosen one, Guru III, likewise, then begins to chatter incessantly as nouveaux knowingness messianically channels through him on a blow-by-blow basis (as other Guru II's devotees follow suit and defect). [Done! Marty Rathbun]

Guru III evolves a folksy, poet, hip-hop warrior personna which is pleasing to the motley assemblage of Guru II defectors now awaiting further instructions about how to continue their interrupted spiritual journey. Somewhat concerned himself, Guru III begins probe and search for meaningful shore stories that will both confirm and deny all of the deified revelations of Guru I without raising serious objections from any quarter. [Done! Marty Rathbun]

Colliding with the exponentially growing number of persons who are increasingly troubled by Guru I's scriptural idiocies, Guru III begins offering up multiple & contradictory explanations about cult cosmology. Predictably, other aspiring messiahs are inspired to humbly step forth in order to gift mankind their own demi-godesque revelations and thereby "rise above" Guru III. Dueling rappers ensues with Guru IV inciting Guru III into a publicly aired tech-smackdown. [Done! Jim Logan]

DEVELOPING STORY.......Stay tuned!​

 

[AnonyMary]

Re: Jim Logan calls out Marty

even Helmut Flasch is calling out Marty, too lol

Helmut Flasch | January 8, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Reply

some people, seem to be asking where I am and why they do not see any comments of my on Marty’s blog.
Hellen and I, by the way are doing great by the way – delivering truing and auditing to many, many, -getting auditing an diet participating in many other life activities.
the post of Marty, amongst a punch of others for quiet a while now, are the reason.
Marty went over the cliff long long time ago – probably never came back from being a suppressive WITH Mr. Mismanage – and then “changing sites” when he realized that he simply is just another very week,very broken, piece in Mr. Mismanage’s perverted game.

for a while, a little while only, I gave him the benefit of the bought , but as a trained auditor who knows his business, I should have known better.

by the way the same ablies to Debbie – the conveniently blind Flag captain.

Boy, its nice to be free from one and all
Love,
Helmut