Marty Rathbun - the prick.

[Ogsonofgroo]

You know I was wondering how m&m and their followers get on in the real world?

I was looking at this site and a work colleague ask what site I was reading I shot him the URL and when I looked over he was on mrs blog shaking his head. I asked how he got there and he pointed out this thread. He and I talked a wee bit and the conclusion is they are not able to handle the real world. It must be a scary place for them all.

Indeed~ it must be a wild and wooly time in the world of Wogs and SP's. I have this gut feeling that a good part of the reason they continue to wear blinders, ignore well founded critisisms from ex's, disallow anything anti LRH, and try and surround themselves with sycophants is to insulate themselves in some way from the rest of the planet, still clinging onto an elitist blanket of sorts. Though I think it must be very difficult for them I have not an ounce of sympathy for the lot and I've little doubt they can turn just as vicious 'out' as they were taught to be 'in'.
Its all part and parcel of the over-all delusion me feels.
Excuse mah wee blather, it just sort of oozed out

 

[Alanzo]

to alanzo,

thank you for sticking up for me. i never expected in a gazillion years that would happen from anyone, and I want to tell you, for me, that was a good enough amends.

loveya al don't ever change.

also, here's my response to both rathbun and rinder, that they didn't post and deleted. they cut my comm.

http://www.myspace.com/kathygold/blog/540688683

and yeah, you are right, they are both far gone.

Here's what I find so interesting about your exchange with them.

You telling Mike that he created a shitload of injustice on tons of people for so many years was considered EVALUATION by Marty. He called you "Dr. Gold" - the classic Scientology service fac for when someone tells you something about yourself that you can't confront.

So this means that Mike's time as head of OSA, breaking up families, tampering with witnesses, lying, fair-gaming critics, etc, IN THE REAL WORLD WITH REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES STILL FELT TODAY is all part of Mike's CASE now, and you can't talk about Mike's case out of session.

Your post to Mike was perfect, and it really needed to be said. MORE people need to tell him exactly what they think of him and his time as head of OSA and have him confront it and handle it like a man.

No more diving into his CASE and running away, or having Marty send it all back-channel into email.

As the head of OSA and the "Ethics" Section of RTC, Mike and Marty did all they could to publicly discredit, humiliate and destroy every one they could for speaking out about the truth of Scientology to warn the public.

They need to take everything they get, overcome it, and correct the injustices forever - if they are ever going to be human beings again.

That is their karma.

Until they do this, with each and every human being they harmed, they will always be the effect of it - just as you showed with your post.

Keep going, Dr. Gold.

They need your treatment.

And so do all of their sycophants.

 

[Panda Termint]

^^^ Agreed, wholeheartedly! ^^^

 

[Alanzo]

By the way, Dr. Gold -

Did you email Mike back-channel?

What was the result?

 

[Lurker5]

THIS \/ \/ \/

Here's what I find so interesting about your exchange with them.

You telling Mike that he created a shitload of injustice on tons of people for so many years was considered EVALUATION by Marty. He called you "Dr. Gold" - the classic Scientology service fac for when someone tells you something about yourself that you can't confront.

So this means that Mike's time as head of OSA, breaking up families, tampering with witnesses, lying, fair-gaming critics, etc, IN THE REAL WORLD WITH REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES STILL FELT TODAY is all part of Mike's CASE now, and you can't talk about Mike's case out of session.

Your post to Mike was perfect, and it really needed to be said. MORE people need to tell him exactly what they think of him and his time as head of OSA and have him confront it and handle it like a man.

No more diving into his CASE and running away, or having Marty send it all back-channel into email.

As the head of OSA and the "Ethics" Section of RTC, Mike and Marty did all they could to publicly discredit, humiliate and destroy every one they could for speaking out about the truth of Scientology to warn the public.

They need to take everything they get, overcome it, and correct the injustices forever - if they are ever going to be human beings again.

That is their karma.

Until they do this, with each and every human being they harmed, they will always be the effect of it - just as you showed with your post.

Keep going, Dr. Gold.

They need your treatment.

And so do all of their sycophants.

Yep, THIS /\/\/\

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Here's what I find so interesting about your exchange with them.

You telling Mike that he created a shitload of injustice on tons of people for so many years was considered EVALUATION by Marty. He called you "Dr. Gold" - the classic Scientology service fac for when someone tells you something about yourself that you can't confront.

So this means that Mike's time as head of OSA, breaking up families, tampering with witnesses, lying, fair-gaming critics, etc, IN THE REAL WORLD WITH REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES STILL FELT TODAY is all part of Mike's CASE now, and you can't talk about Mike's case out of session.

Your post to Mike was perfect, and it really needed to be said. MORE people need to tell him exactly what they think of him and his time as head of OSA and have him confront it and handle it like a man.

No more diving into his CASE and running away, or having Marty send it all back-channel into email.

As the head of OSA and the "Ethics" Section of RTC, Mike and Marty did all they could to publicly discredit, humiliate and destroy every one they could for speaking out about the truth of Scientology to warn the public.

They need to take everything they get, overcome it, and correct the injustices forever - if they are ever going to be human beings again.

That is their karma.

Until they do this, with each and every human being they harmed, they will always be the effect of it - just as you showed with your post.

Keep going, Dr. Gold.

They need your treatment.

And so do all of their sycophants.

 

[KathyGold]

to alanzo,

By the way, Dr. Gold -

Did you email Mike back-channel?

What was the result?

no, i didn't email mike. his and marty's actions were good enough for me.

yeah marty rathbun and mike rinder, have alot of amends to do. they have hurt alot of people. you just don't know about it. there's a saying, if there's one, there is more.

don't worry al, even if there is no justice this life for all the people they have harmed, just know that marty rathbun and mike rinder along with david miscavige will be coming back to target 1, planet earth, lifetime after lifetime to do their amends. they have sealed their fate. by their actions we will know them.

 

[Zinjifar]

As unsurprising as this all is, I think it's worthwhile to clarify something. It's not about Mike Rinder's and Marty Rathbun's 'karma', or, even their recovery or 'becoming human' again.

It's not about how delusional they still are, or whether they're still 'believers'.

There are thousands of escaped and escaping Scientologists, and, how and when and how completely they escape isn't really the issue. Nobody's setting himself up as the 'ethics officer' to 'pull their withholds'. Scientology 'Ethics Tech' is *always* abusive and it's not our job to implement it, even on those who still promote it.

We're not demanding the 'overts' of former or current Scientologists, either within or out of the 'Church'.

If Marty and Mike were just off somewhere 'recovering' from their Cult involvement this wouldn't be an issue. They're not. They're *here* in public speaking out and proclaiming themselves 'experts' on the Cult, and, because of their (previous?) high positions, they actually *could* be.

And, because of those unique positions; head of OSA and *his* boss; the IG RTC, they actually *are* aware of the crimes committed in the name of 'Scientology'; at the very least, those committed during the decades of their 'service', although, it seems likely that they would also know about *other* crimes, because it would have been their 'hats' to 'handle' danger to the 'Church'.

And, they have multiple times announced that they *would* reveal those crimes, in order to stop the ongoing criminality. But, they *haven't*. In fact, they've lied about it. They're *still* lying about it. Deliberately. There's no question of being 'delusional' or still 'true believers'. Mike Rinder for example has publicly announced that he knows enough to put David Miscavige in jail.

So much I don't doubt in the least.

So, it's not about Mike and Marty's 'salvation' or karma or spiritual well being. It's about being in a position to *stop the abuse*, but, for whatever reasons, refusing to do so. In fact, Marty has now begun revisiting his earliest shore story about the corrupt FBI trying to *frame* him and the 'Church' for crimes.

Both are deliberately *perpetuating* the criminality and abuse of the 'Church', while attempting to posture as the 'Clean Hands' twins.

Fuck em.

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

to alanzo,

By the way, Dr. Gold -

Did you email Mike back-channel?

What was the result?

no, i didn't email mike. his and marty's actions were good enough for me.

yeah marty rathbun and mike rinder, have alot of amends to do. they have hurt alot of people. you just don't know about it. there's a saying, if there's one, there is more.

don't worry al, even if there is no justice this life for all the people they have harmed, just know that marty rathbun and mike rinder along with david miscavige will be coming back to target 1, planet earth, lifetime after lifetime to do their amends. they have sealed their fate. by their actions we will know them.

I'm interested in a little more immediate justice, especially for David Miscavige, since he is still in a position to continue to harm so many people.

And by the way, Marty's latest post blames David Miscavige and OSA for his poor reputation among Freezoner's, Anonymous, and many here on ESMB.

So I would like to get your professional opinion on something, Dr. Gold:

Would you say that your poor assessment of Marty and Mike's behavior was based on OSA 3rd partying them to you, or what David Miscavige has told you about them, or is your assessment of their poor behavior and ethics level based on your own interactions in dealing with Marty and Mike directly?

Hmmmm?

 

[Zinjifar]

Failure to support Marty Rathbun's aspirations and intentions is ipso facto support for David Miscavige and 'doing OSA's Work', because David Miscavige and OSA are attempting to drive wedges between people.

However, accusations of ESMB or others being 'OSA' by Mike Hobson and atcause on Marty's blog should not be confused with such wedge driving, because they have 'Clean Hands'. Like Marty

Zinj

 

[AnonKat]

welcome

to: CarmeloOrchards

"I'm late to this exchange. I walked away from the Co$ in 1976. I'm sorry the group became luny. What can we or even me do for you? We are not Mike and Marty aka Scientology Lite ."

continue being you

as far as my meltdown goes, i took a journey and confronted the truth of what really happened to me and why my church betrayed me. and it feels great lol my needle is floating

 

[olska]

To Kathy Gold...

@ Kathy Gold:

If I read it right, on Marty's blog you made reference to some 20 scientologists who were in the psych hospital when you were admitted.

If I read it wrong, please correct me. If not, can you tell us more about this?

I am curious because I had very brief experience with a couple of scientologists who went "Type III" and then "disappeared" -- who knows what became of them, they just weren't around our org any more.

Another person I know who went "Type III" was declared and given the "your only terminal is...." order so she couldn't (according to CoS rules) have any conntact with on-lines scientologists, wandered the streets as a homeless person for some time, was later helped by non-scio family but is still very f'd up.

and an ex-scio I knew who sought help from a psychologist specializing in family therapy (problems with relationships, problems with children, etc) told me this counsellor was somehow connected to the CoS and was called upon by the CoS to pick up and do something with the scientologists who had gone Type III and couldn't be "handled" by the orgs --

If you can expound on this without giving names or breaking any other kinds of confidences, I (and possibly other inquiring minds) would like to know more?

Thx!

 

[KathyGold]

to alanzo,

"I'm interested in a little more immediate justice, especially for David Miscavige, since he is still in a position to continue to harm so many people.

And by the way, Marty's latest post blames David Miscavige and OSA for his poor reputation among Freezoner's, Anonymous, and many here on ESMB.

So I would like to get your professional opinion on something, Dr. Gold:

Would you say that your poor assessment of Marty and Mike's behavior was based on OSA 3rd partying them to you, or what David Miscavige has told you about them, or is your assessment of their poor behavior and ethics level based on your own interactions in dealing with Marty and Mike directly?

Hmmmm?"

in regards to marty's blog, i wouldn't know, i stopped reading and unsubscribed.

my assessment of marty and mike is based on my own interaction in dealing with marty and mike directly. that would be their blog. in present time.

as far as david miscavige is concerned in regards to justice. the statue of limitations has run out on what happened to me in 1998. the civil rights attorney that i hired, advised me and broke it down. i do not have millions of dollars to seek justice for myself or anyone else in present time. meaning now so i went to the aclu for funding but they passed. the best i can do is show up to court if someone else dies and give my story. that is all i can do.

the other people out there that have been hurt, will need to come forward and obtain an attorney and go to court.

worst case scenerio, nobody ever comes forward, then, the rest is up to the universe or karma

 

[KathyGold]

to olska,

"If I read it right, on Marty's blog you made reference to some 20 scientologists who were in the psych hospital when you were admitted.........."

the 20 scientologists that i'm referring to where outside, in the waiting hall. they were waiting for me to be released.

 

[Zinjifar]

Don't be too quick to accept the theory that Scientology's crimes against you are beyond the 'statute of limitations'. That's a favored theory by some, but, not necessarily true.

If and when the 'Church' of Scientology and its management (including former management) face a R.I.C.O. prosecution then it will include charges of *conspiracy* to commit all the predicate crimes and the *conspiracy* to hide those crimes. And, that conspiracy is an ongoing conspiracy and not subject to 'statute of limitations' while it is still ongoing. Which it is.

Including on Marty and Mike's part.

Zinj

 

[olska]

to olska,

"If I read it right, on Marty's blog you made reference to some 20 scientologists who were in the psych hospital when you were admitted.........."

the 20 scientologists that i'm referring to where outside, in the waiting hall. they were waiting for me to be released.

Thanks -- I thought you meant there were 20 more scientologist INSIDE the psych hospital, and that brought back the "wondering" from long ago as to what actually became of the ones I knew of and others I'd heard of. My mistake.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[Daisy]

Kathy,

When I saw the response from Marty and Mike to what you had written, I was shocked. But it just confirmed to me what I thought of those 2 guys. They both had powerful posts in scientology and hurt many people. They are still doing their jobs.

Honey, you got some balls. I'm proud of you for calling them out.

 

[Terril park]

This is shocking! How on earth can he make this claim when there are so many scientologists who died of cancer?

Marty hasn't made that claim. One of his PCs gave that report.

 

[Zinjifar]

Marty hasn't made that claim. One of his PCs gave that report.

Yeah; sarge. and marty pointedly didn't object

He's big on his miraculous auditing


Zinj

 

[Terril park]

You know I was wondering how m&m and their followers get on in the real world?

I was looking at this site and a work colleague ask what site I was reading I shot him the URL and when I looked over he was on mrs blog shaking his head. I asked how he got there and he pointed out this thread. He and I talked a wee bit and the conclusion is they are not able to handle the real world. It must be a scary place for them all.

Having met Marty in the real world I can say he's quite comfortable in it.

Further in the real world he has to put up with more than the average
citizens aggravation with the constant attention of DM's goons.

He's faced a lot of criticism in the past for not allowing anything anti
LRH on his blog, yet see this recent comment from his Blog:-

"It is a matter of great debate whether LRH himself did not begin the snapping of terminals with Hoover’s FBI (representing the establishment that did not want new, free ideas catching fire in the 50s and 60s) by advising the implementation of fight-fire-with-fire intelligence tactics to combat Cointelpro."