Marty Rathbun - the prick.

[KathyGold]

to Daisy

"When I saw the response from Marty and Mike to what you had written, I was shocked. But it just confirmed to me what I thought of those 2 guys. They both had powerful posts in scientology and hurt many people. They are still doing their jobs"

you are spot on, don't ever doubt your own knowingness

"Honey, you got some balls. I'm proud of you for calling them out."
thanks, it was fun

 

[Zinjifar]

Having met Marty in the real world I can say he's quite comfortable in it.

Further in the real world he has to put up with more than the average
citizens aggravation with the constant attention of DM's goons.

He's faced a lot of criticism in the past for not allowing anything anti
LRH on his blog, yet see this recent comment from his Blog:-

"It is a matter of great debate whether LRH himself did not begin the snapping of terminals with Hoover’s FBI (representing the establishment that did not want new, free ideas catching fire in the 50s and 60s) by advising the implementation of fight-fire-with-fire intelligence tactics to combat Cointelpro."

It's his service facsimile. 'Maybe Ron did some stuff that seems harsh, but, he was forced to by the FBI'

yeah yeah yeah. It's not a change; just explaining why he won't go to the cops and 'justifying' Ron's insanity.

Zinj

 

[shanic89]

Having met Marty in the real world I can say he's quite comfortable in it.

I would suggest that you meet on common ground. That is you both could talk freely in agreement on the tech that you both believe can save people, and I assume you both have a distaste for DM and what it has done to your church.
Ok that might have been a little snarky; I have read many of your posts and do not think that you’re a bad person. In fact you come across as rather likeable. I would never say such a thing about marty though.

After reading the posts on his blog I feel that he would not be able to handle any confrontation of his beliefs. In fact I think he may get close to a total brain explosion when confronted with any truths that were counter his agenda. If not in public then definitely in private were he would have to receive conformation of his greatness from his followers as they belittled those with differing opinions.
How would be able to handle a conversation with his peers where he was alone, did not have the assistance of other scientologists, and presented with data that countered his own data. Most people are able to process new material. He would not be able to would he; we know this, as ron is the man, never receive data that proves ron wrong. Oh yes lrh was very wrong.

Further in the real world he has to put up with more than the average citizens aggravation with the constant attention of DM's goons.

To true he has, but I would suggest that at times he enjoys this as it validates his “look at dm and how he wastes the churches funds. Set me up as your leader and I will put you donations to use saving the world”.

He's faced a lot of criticism in the past for not allowing anything anti LRH on his blog, yet see this recent comment from his Blog:-

Ah it is his blog and he can put up there whatever he wants. That is the beauty of having your own space on a server and then connecting to the net. I think that is fair enough he believes in Scientology and he wants to tell others of the good that it can do and what a huge being ron was. Also he wants to bring down dm and then lead the, uhumm, church into a bigger brighter future by exposing the evils that dm is doing from his palace. All fair and good it is his blog.
A but and a big but at that. He allows posts through that counter his agenda, just so that his followers can jump up and down crying foul. Many people can provide accurate information that counter his posts but he discards it, rubbishes it and then cries that he is being attacked. Most readers can see that he invites these confrontations but cannot handle them.

 

[paradox]

Indeed~ it must be a wild and wooly time in the world of Wogs and SP's. I have this gut feeling that a good part of the reason they continue to wear blinders, ignore well founded critisisms from ex's, disallow anything anti LRH, and try and surround themselves with sycophants is to insulate themselves in some way from the rest of the planet, still clinging onto an elitist blanket of sorts. Though I think it must be very difficult for them I have not an ounce of sympathy for the lot and I've little doubt they can turn just as vicious 'out' as they were taught to be 'in'.
Its all part and parcel of the over-all delusion me feels.
Excuse mah wee blather, it just sort of oozed out

But, but ... but ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k

 

[Terril park]

I would suggest that you meet on common ground. That is you both could talk freely in agreement on the tech that you both believe can save people, and I assume you both have a distaste for DM and what it has done to your church.
Ok that might have been a little snarky; I have read many of your posts and do not think that you’re a bad person. In fact you come across as rather likeable. I would never say such a thing about marty though.

After reading the posts on his blog I feel that he would not be able to handle any confrontation of his beliefs. In fact I think he may get close to a total brain explosion when confronted with any truths that were counter his agenda. If not in public then definitely in private were he would have to receive conformation of his greatness from his followers as they belittled those with differing opinions.
How would be able to handle a conversation with his peers where he was alone, did not have the assistance of other scientologists, and presented with data that countered his own data. Most people are able to process new material. He would not be able to would he; we know this, as ron is the man, never receive data that proves ron wrong. Oh yes lrh was very wrong.


To true he has, but I would suggest that at times he enjoys this as it validates his “look at dm and how he wastes the churches funds. Set me up as your leader and I will put you donations to use saving the world”.


Ah it is his blog and he can put up there whatever he wants. That is the beauty of having your own space on a server and then connecting to the net. I think that is fair enough he believes in Scientology and he wants to tell others of the good that it can do and what a huge being ron was. Also he wants to bring down dm and then lead the, uhumm, church into a bigger brighter future by exposing the evils that dm is doing from his palace. All fair and good it is his blog.
A but and a big but at that. He allows posts through that counter his agenda, just so that his followers can jump up and down crying foul. Many people can provide accurate information that counter his posts but he discards it, rubbishes it and then cries that he is being attacked. Most readers can see that he invites these confrontations but cannot handle them.

Well I pushed through the data re Paulette Cooper. He, sort of protesting all
the way, allowed it. he obviously was happy to have that data put up
or it wouldn't have been.

In earlier days I was very critical of his eulogising Earle Cooley the main attack dog lawyer against Mayo. Post didn't go through.

He deliberately took up this point with me when we met. He was trying to repair any possible ARCX, which I thought commendable. Though its really hard to ARCX me. He said that now in hindsight he regretted this. Also
he thought it strategically wrong to persue the matter, and in fact Mayo
got a settlement.

His words were approx:- " We had out tits in a wringer."

IMO he is far more liberal than one might gather from his blog persona.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Well I pushed through the data re Paulette Cooper. He, sort of protesting all
the way, allowed it. he obviously was happy to have that data put up
or it wouldn't have been.

In earlier days I was very critical of his eulogising Earle Cooley the main attack dog lawyer against Mayo. Post didn't go through.

He deliberately took up this point with me when we met. He was trying to repair any possible ARCX, which I thought commendable. Though its really hard to ARCX me. He said that now in hindsight he regretted this. Also
he thought it strategically wrong to persue the matter, and in fact Mayo
got a settlement.

His words were approx:- " We had out tits in a wringer."

IMO he is far more liberal than one might gather from his blog persona.

Cool!

I had a great com cycle with Marty too. I confronted him on demanding that FZ and CoS Scientologists wear arm bands marked Juden--I mean "SQUIRREL".

Marty explained with very high ARC that this was theta because it was using Ron's Stable Datum tech to put order into the field. He said he was willing to keep his TR's in for as long as it took for me and others to cognite that this was just confusion blowing off.

When I left that meeting, I felt really keyed-out! And, the arm bands Marty designed are quite stylish and I have received much attention and admiration from people as I proudly wore it to work and even on vacation at the beach.

Marty said it is a badge of honor and, I have to admit, it really was a total turn on when I wore it as a choker with my normal S & M attire while having sex. Talk about "tits in a wringer!"---Hurts so good!

ps: Marty also turned me on to using those armbands for erotic asphyxiation to choke out my 2D during insouciant sex. And he knew the LRH Volunteer Minister reference on which assist to use on an unconscious person so there was no engramic content. Thanks again Marty--soooo theta!

 

[Terril park]

Cool!

I had a great com cycle with Marty too. I confronted him on demanding that FZ and CoS Scientologists wear arm bands marked Juden--I mean "SQUIRREL".

Marty explained with very high ARC that this was theta because it was using Ron's Stable Datum tech to put order into the field. He said he was willing to keep his TR's in for as long as it took for me and others to cognite that this was just confusion blowing off.

When I left that meeting, I felt really keyed-out! And, the arm bands Marty designed are quite stylish and I have received much attention and admiration from people as I proudly wore it to work and even on vacation at the beach.

Marty said it is a badge of honor and, I have to admit, it really was a total turn on when I wore it as a choker with my normal S & M attire while having sex. Talk about "tits in a wringer!"---Hurts so good!

ps: Marty also turned me on to using those armbands for erotic asphyxiation to choke out my 2D during insouciant sex. And he knew the LRH Volunteer Minister reference on which assist to use on an unconscious person so there was no engramic content. Thanks again Marty--soooo theta!

Way cool!

He sold me some on a BOGOF deal. [ buy one get one free]

Never have sex without them!

Unfortunately he doesn't have current access to my goldenrod.
I would have paid big bucks for it!

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Well I pushed through the data re Paulette Cooper. He, sort of protesting all
the way, allowed it. he obviously was happy to have that data put up
or it wouldn't have been.

In earlier days I was very critical of his eulogising Earle Cooley the main attack dog lawyer against Mayo. Post didn't go through.

He deliberately took up this point with me when we met. He was trying to repair any possible ARCX, which I thought commendable. Though its really hard to ARCX me. He said that now in hindsight he regretted this. Also
he thought it strategically wrong to persue the matter, and in fact Mayo
got a settlement.

His words were approx:- " We had out tits in a wringer."

IMO he is far more liberal than one might gather from his blog persona.

You know what you miss Terrill? You know what YOU miss that others here see about Marty?

Marty KNEW.

Rinder KNEW.

All those things that you find reprehensible about the CofS and the way they have done things - all the "ops" all the Black PR all the set ups, all the intimidation. These two knew about it.

They knew about it and it has not shaken their faith one little bit. They didn't leave because they disagreed with it. They left because they got beaten down by Miscavige - they were so abused and broken they crept out of there.

They didn't leave because they disagreed with any of it.

They knew what all the bad sides were - they knew the truth about Hubbard - they have seen it all they KNOW about the cases, they KNOW about all the damage done to people - they KNOW how many Type III's there are out there and how many people have died. None of that shattered their "belief".

They know about all the changes to the "tech" and they stayed. They are not people who stand up for the truth.

Do not be fooled here Terril. you are a FAR better man and even Scientologist than these two. FAR BETTER.

Stop the endless rationalizing that you are indulging in.

 

[Alanzo]

You know what you miss Terrill? You know what YOU miss that others here see about Marty?

Marty KNEW.

Rinder KNEW.

All those things that you find reprehensible about the CofS and the way they have done things - all the "ops" all the Black PR all the set ups, all the intimidation. These two knew about it.

They knew about it and it has not shaken their faith one little bit. They didn't leave because they disagreed with it. They left because they got beaten down by Miscavige - they were so abused and broken they crept out of there.

They didn't leave because they disagreed with any of it.

They knew what all the bad sides were - they knew the truth about Hubbard - they have seen it all they KNOW about the cases, they KNOW about all the damage done to people - they KNOW how many Type III's there are out there and how many people have died. None of that shattered their "belief".

They know about all the changes to the "tech" and they stayed. They are not people who stand up for the truth.

Do not be fooled here Terril. you are a FAR better man and even Scientologist than these two. FAR BETTER.

Stop the endless rationalizing that you are indulging in.

And not only did they know - THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DID IT!

The question is, if they had the resources and the power and the chance to do it again, would they?

Given what I have seen with how Marty and now Mike treat people on that blog - I'd have to say yes, they would.

Their Int Base Sea Org Exec Serv Facs are all still fully intact. They have actually learned very little from what I can see.

They have certainly not learned the ability to come on here and just talk to people. And they are discouraging anyone they can from doing the same.

When presented with another point of view they ridicule the PERSON speaking the idea - they do not address the idea. They do not discuss or explain their rationale for anything. They just brow-beat their viewpoint into people and make everything else wrong. They ATTACK and SHUT OUT people who hold a different view than they do.

These guys have not come out of the cult.

David Miscavige is NOT the cause of everything in Scientology. And he is certainly not the cause of why everyone but their dwindling stall of sycophants have a low opinion of them: They created that low opinion all on their own.

I really really WANT to trust them. But I do not.

But you, Terril?

I'd trust you with my life.

Well, not with my life, maybe with my car. Uhhh, I just got a new car, so maybe with my house keys...

(Just kidding.)

Mick's right - you are FAR more trustworthy than those guys. You are way more of what a Scientologist should be - if Scientology was the ideals it holds out to people. (Which its not - but what the hell - I'm on a roll here...)

Terril, I too want to believe in those guys so bad.

I want them to lead us all to the Promised Land.

But I've watched them very closely.

They're not gonna do it.

They're not capable of it.

If anyone is going to do it, it is going to be people like you, doing exactly what you have been doing. Setting a great example of love and compassion and tolerance and continued hope in the workability of Scientology, and continually putting the best of Scientology there for others to choose.

That's how it's gonna be done.

Lots of people recognize that.

I'm afraid Marty and Mike never will.

 

[paradox]

....

Terril, I too want to believe in those guys so bad.

I want them to lead us all to the Promised Land.

But I've watched them very closely.

They're not gonna do it.

They're not capable of it.

If anyone is going to do it, it is going to be people like you, doing exactly what you have been doing. Setting a great example of love and compassion and tolerance and continued hope in the workability of Scientology, and continually putting the best of Scientology there for others to choose.

That's how it's gonna be done.

Lots of people recognize that.

I'm afraid Marty and Mike never will.

Ugh, 'scuse me a moment while I

What is it with the weasel words? Is it just a Terril effect? :confused2:



Too bad, I thought it really good up to this quoted point above.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I want them to lead us all to the Promised Land.



If anyone is going to do it, it is going to be people like you, doing exactly what you have been doing. Setting a great example of love and compassion and tolerance and continued hope in the workability of Scientology, and continually putting the best of Scientology there for others to choose.

That's how it's gonna be done.

Charles "Chuck" Berry led me to the Promised Land

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to3WdwocfeI&feature=related

Scientology, in anyone's hands, isn't going to lead anyone to salvation.

Those, who have done variations of it, such as myself, have still needed to revisit it and weed out as many of the lies and braggadocio that we could find.

Between Veda's educating me on the dark side and Afaceinthecrowd's filling me in on the man, LRH, as he was on the Flag ship, I feel that I pretty thoroughly understand the whole subject.

Most of us got involved with good intentions. The only answer that I see as workable is each person saving themselves with whatever floats their boat.

I'm not following anybody again for a very long time.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

And not only did they know - THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DID IT!

The question is, if they had the resources and the power and the chance to do it again, would they?

Given what I have seen with how Marty and now Mike treat people on that blog - I'd have to say yes, they would.

Their Int Base Sea Org Exec Serv Facs are all still fully intact. They have actually learned very little from what I can see.

They have certainly not learned the ability to come on here and just talk to people. And they are discouraging anyone they can from doing the same.

When presented with another point of view they ridicule the PERSON speaking the idea - they do not address the idea. They do not discuss or explain their rationale for anything. They just brow-beat their viewpoint into people and make everything else wrong. They ATTACK and SHUT OUT people who hold a different view than they do.

These guys have not come out of the cult.

David Miscavige is NOT the cause of everything in Scientology. And he is certainly not the cause of why everyone but their dwindling stall of sycophants have a low opinion of them: They created that low opinion all on their own.

I really really WANT to trust them. But I do not.

But you, Terril?

I'd trust you with my life.

Well, not with my life, maybe with my car. Uhhh, I just got a new car, so maybe with my house keys...

(Just kidding.)

Mick's right - you are FAR more trustworthy than those guys. You are way more of what a Scientologist should be - if Scientology was the ideals it holds out to people. (Which its not - but what the hell - I'm on a roll here...)

Terril, I too want to believe in those guys so bad.

I want them to lead us all to the Promised Land.

But I've watched them very closely.

They're not gonna do it.

They're not capable of it.

If anyone is going to do it, it is going to be people like you, doing exactly what you have been doing. Setting a great example of love and compassion and tolerance and continued hope in the workability of Scientology, and continually putting the best of Scientology there for others to choose.

That's how it's gonna be done.

Lots of people recognize that.

I'm afraid Marty and Mike never will.

Mark A. Baker

 

[Veda]

Ugh, 'scuse me a moment while I

What is it with the weasel words? Is it just a Terril effect? :confused2:



Too bad, I thought it really good up to this quoted point above.

 

[paradox]

Most of us got involved with good intentions. The only answer that I see as workable is each person saving themselves with whatever floats their boat.

I'm not following anybody again for a very long time.

Can I get an "Amen!?"

In my 60 years (well, next month), your statement above has been my #2 lesson in humanity and its "mind field" for the past few of them.

“Don’t walk behind me, I may not lead. Don’t walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.”

-- Albert Camus

My #1 lesson has been pretty much succinctly stated as

It is not disbelief that is dangerous to our society; it is belief.

-- George Bernard Shaw

 

[Alanzo]

I had so much hope for Marty and Mike.

But I can see now that they are just a couple of Sea Org fucks who want to keep bossing people around in a sandbox.

And it is disappointing to me.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I had so much hope for Marty and Mike.But I can see now that they are just a couple of Sea Org fucks who want to keep bossing people around in a sandbox.And it is disappointing to me.

From Indie Headquarters at CausaBlinka...

Originally Posted by Marty Rathbun

Dear Alonzo,

Mike and I share your disappointment. We had so much hope for you. But now we can see that you are just an honest person who earnestly asks for truthful answers.

When you come to our senses, you may recant, make suitable amends and petition to rejoin our group. We may be liars, manipulators & con men, but we are Clear of the reactive implant you haters call conscience.

ML,

Marty Rathbun

 

[Lurker5]

THIS \/ \/ \/

And not only did they know - THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DID IT!

The question is, if they had the resources and the power and the chance to do it again, would they?

Given what I have seen with how Marty and now Mike treat people on that blog - I'd have to say yes, they would.

Their Int Base Sea Org Exec Serv Facs are all still fully intact. They have actually learned very little from what I can see.

They have certainly not learned the ability to come on here and just talk to people. And they are discouraging anyone they can from doing the same.

When presented with another point of view they ridicule the PERSON speaking the idea - they do not address the idea. They do not discuss or explain their rationale for anything. They just brow-beat their viewpoint into people and make everything else wrong. They ATTACK and SHUT OUT people who hold a different view than they do.

These guys have not come out of the cult.

David Miscavige is NOT the cause of everything in Scientology. And he is certainly not the cause of why everyone but their dwindling stall of sycophants have a low opinion of them: They created that low opinion all on their own.

I really really WANT to trust them. But I do not.

But you, Terril?

I'd trust you with my life.

Well, not with my life, maybe with my car. Uhhh, I just got a new car, so maybe with my house keys...

(Just kidding.)

Mick's right - you are FAR more trustworthy than those guys. You are way more of what a Scientologist should be - if Scientology was the ideals it holds out to people. (Which its not - but what the hell - I'm on a roll here...)

Terril, I too want to believe in those guys so bad.

I want them to lead us all to the Promised Land.

But I've watched them very closely.

They're not gonna do it.

They're not capable of it.

If anyone is going to do it, it is going to be people like you, doing exactly what you have been doing. Setting a great example of love and compassion and tolerance and continued hope in the workability of Scientology, and continually putting the best of Scientology there for others to choose.

That's how it's gonna be done.

Lots of people recognize that.

I'm afraid Marty and Mike never will.

I had high hopes for awhile, for those who wish to continue in scno, for those who actually LIVE what scno purports itself to be, the GOOD PERSONS out-of-the-dm/co$ evil - - - but this /\/\/\/\/\ has become my sad conclusion too, for M&M. (I'd call them Mighty and Mickey Mouse, except it is an insult to 2 animated meeses I truly love).

But I do hold a spark of hope inside - for their awakening. I cannot give up all hope - but they keep on pissing on it. Over and over.

So maybe I should say, I haven't given up all hope - yet. I see a glimpse every once in a while - of true humanity and openess. Then Marty quickly squashes it/himself. Still a good scno - not meaning good person - but a good scno-bot, wearing his hat, doing it well, and correcting his outness.

Is that how they say it?

Well, I say it this way:
em - eye - see - - See ya real soon
kay - eee - why - - Why ? Because we LIKE you
em - oh - you - ess - eee . . . .

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

who can you trust of the people who were close to LRH?

those who got away

Kima and Michael Douglas (Michael RIP)

AFaceintheCrowd, who posts here

Robert Vaughn Young (RIP)

______________________________________

LRH's personality overwhelmed many who got too close

if someone is acting like LRH in some ways, he is probably acting like LRH in other ways too.

 

[Student of Trinity]

Maybe I'm being cynical again, but I find myself asking of Rathbun and Rinder: How old are they? I'm guessing, fifty-ish. If that's right, what are they going to do?

If they bring down the CofS without salvaging anything, they're heroes for a day; but then what? They're reasonably smart guys, I guess, but do they have any skills that are worth a steady middle-class salary? I doubt it, you know. Being a master of Hubbard's 'Admin Tech' is actually a liability rather than an asset. So are they going to fund their retirements by working as taxi drivers, using their OT powers to get lots of green lights?

A good auditor could probably make a decent living as a counselor, but that would take natural talent for counseling, and a long list of clients who are loyal to them personally. I'm not sure either of these guys has either of those. If they're paying the bills now by auditing, I think they might be attracting clients more through their reputation as religious leaders than for their talent as therapists.

They were administrative honchos in the CofS, and that's pretty much all they've ever done, as I understand it. If they do just what they're apparently doing now, and play their cards right, they're winners who can go on winning. Anything else and they suddenly turn into middle-aged losers.

That's a tough choice to make.

 

[bts2free]

Maybe I'm being cynical again, but I find myself asking of Rathbun and Rinder: How old are they? I'm guessing, fifty-ish. If that's right, what are they going to do?

If they bring down the CofS without salvaging anything, they're heroes for a day; but then what? They're reasonably smart guys, I guess, but do they have any skills that are worth a steady middle-class salary? I doubt it, you know. Being a master of Hubbard's 'Admin Tech' is actually a liability rather than an asset. So are they going to fund their retirements by working as taxi drivers, using their OT powers to get lots of green lights?

A good auditor could probably make a decent living as a counselor, but that would take natural talent for counseling, and a long list of clients who are loyal to them personally. I'm not sure either of these guys has either of those. If they're paying the bills now by auditing, I think they might be attracting clients more through their reputation as religious leaders than for their talent as therapists.

They were administrative honchos in the CofS, and that's pretty much all they've ever done, as I understand it. If they do just what they're apparently doing now, and play their cards right, they're winners who can go on winning. Anything else and they suddenly turn into middle-aged losers.

That's a tough choice to make.

Yep, in other words attempting to Flourish and Prosper amidst a midlife crisis. The choices to be made...