Marty Rathbun: thoughts on Scientology and spirituality

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

More from WWP:

https://whyweprotest.net/community/...ers-can-set-for-students.109495/#post-2281261

Ohhhhh gawd. Ken Wilber, the wacko quack wannabe guru who wrote "The History of Everything"

/facepalm

Back in the day when yoga woo was all the craze, this nutjob was discredited and laughed at faster than most. But that was mostly pre-internet. Here's one shining example though:

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/kenwilberonmeditation.asp

EDIT: Here's something more recent:

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2007/10/ken-wilbers-int.html

http://hardcorezen.blogspot.com/2009/07/funniest-spiritual-scam-on-internet.html

Fking lulzcow has apparently gotten even worse with time -- "Ken Wilber is the Suzanne Somers of celebrity spirituality scam endorsers. "

 

[Xenu's Boyfriend]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

Still hasn't written about Jenna's book but he's bullshitting with this junk now. What up with his "confront"?

 

[Veda]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

Hey, Gottabrain, is that you? C'mon back to ESMB, you are missed and needed.

Very interesting comment from WWP:

https://whyweprotest.net/community/...ers-can-set-for-students.109495/#post-2281243

Aleister Crowley, Hubbard's main inspiration:

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Hubbard (yes, Photoshopped ):

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Franklin Jones a.k.a. Adi Da. At one time a Scientology staff member and auditor.

IIRC, he audited one of ESMB's members, Ted, years ago.

In the early days, after leaving Scientology, Jones wrote some interesting things, then eventually became an abusive leader of his own Destructive Cult.

Ken Wilber, who Marty occasionally quotes, was Jones' disciple for a while, before breaking with him.

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The new Marty?:

Also photoshopped. ​

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

MY EYES!!!

Stop it, will ya???

 

[Teanntás]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

MY EYES!!!

Stop it, will ya???

Is there a familiar ring to any of this?

"............Wilber is a masterful organizer of other people's ideas. His grandiose goal is to take every idea about anything that humans have ever come up with and fit it into his complicated typology of quadrants, levels, states, stages, and what not............

Submission. Devotion. Prostration before the Almighty.
Which, it turns out, includes Andrew Cohen and Ken Wilber.....................

Cohen coerced donations from disciples, in one case to the tune of $2 million. His students were slapped, ridiculed, made to do thousands of prostrations before his photo, forced to immerse themselves in a near-freezing lake for an hour, and other humiliations.........."

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_...one-wild-wilber-and-cohen-relish-worship.html

 

[Stat]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

I get it on Ken Wilbur and his scieno background and Marty not saying a word about Jenna's book.

But I perceive that Marty is breaking from following LRH's every word blindly more and more though.
Or even finding out that he can have his own path and way of thinking and living.
I do believe Marty is trying to sort things out for himself.

And if I'm correct in my assumptions - good for him.

 

[BardoThodol]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

Do any of these traps work on mice? My back yard is wooded and when winter comes, the little rascals head to my house.

I don't want to kill them, but I don't want them messing things up, and when I trap them and let them go, they just come back.

Maybe I should think about getting a miniature DC-9, find a volcano and...

 

[BardoThodol]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

I get it on Ken Wilbur and his scieno background and Marty not saying a word about Jenna's book.

But I perceive that Marty is breaking from following LRH's every word blindly more and more though.
Or even finding out that he can have his own path and way of thinking and living.
I do believe Marty is trying to sort things out for himself.

And if I'm correct in my assumptions - good for him.

Shhhhhh!

He's had doubts for a long time. And he's been trying to deal with his crimes, without getting stuck in prison.

He just needs to take that one last leap of faith--away from his faith.

Seriously.

 

[anonomog]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

Why the need to ponder anyone else's words?
Why the need for a guru who "knows" things?
Why the need to make life overly complicated and based on other people's view of it?

Why would anyone think that someone else "knows" life better than they do themselves, after half a century of life experience? Come on...fifty plus long years without any personal knowledge and truth? It must come from a book for it to be correct?

Why be so willing to be conned again and again and again by people who have no special access to the secrets of the universe. Hint: No one has.
These "wise" people are just f-wits that have a talent to sell books and life courses and make simple sentences unintelligible because if you can't understand it, it must be impressive right? Then give their followers a Noddy badge when they finally "understand". It means nothing. Except to those making a buck off it.

Has Marty too little self confidence to live life his own way with his own knowledge and experience? Does everything have to be verified by someone else's words?
Sad.

 

[10oriocookies]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

A. Fuck

B. Marty

C. Rathbun

D. See A-C

See above.....and adding

E. David

F. Miscavige

G. L Con

H. All other charlatans and gurus.

 

[Vittorio]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

His posts have become too painful to read, just knowing all the things he was a part of and all the things he knows to be true but won't admit to in order to protect a dead con man.

Equally as sickening is OperatingIC or whatever the name is who posts over here trying to make out that Marty is the more liberal part of the Indie split. Steve Hall only recently found out about Mayo's AAC group. If he knew what Marty knows he probably would have walked a long time ago.

 

[What's It All About]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

Shhhhhh!

He's had doubts for a long time. And he's been trying to deal with his crimes, without getting stuck in prison.

He just needs to take that one last leap of faith--away from his faith.

Seriously.

He's done a lot of criminal, and cruel, things. The only possible justification is that he was sincerely in pursuit of a higher goal uniquely available through scientology. To admit that he was just another average dupe would be devastating to his ego.

So he has to cling to his former status as the formidable defender-of-the-faith turned formidable speaker-of-truth-to-the-power-that-is-Miscavige (or really, the power that is his thugs, since once they turn on him, he'll be chopped meat in an Italian suit and custom-made shoes with concealed lifts and a Howdie-Doodie hairdo).

How can he be Marty Rathbun, mere criminal dupe? It's not a very satisfying identity. And what would be left? Another wolf-guru-wanna-be in sheep's clothing? He's painted himself into a grievous corner. But at least he's out and blowing the whistle once in a while. And braving a milder version of the attacks he himself used to orchestrate. It still sucks to be the prey and not the predator.

 

[Infinite]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

. . . The following is a segment of a talk by philosopher Ken Wilber on traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students . . .

 

[Andtheyalllived]

Re: Marty: "traps that certain spiritual teachers can set for students"

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Equally as sickening is OperatingIC or whatever the name is who posts over here trying to make out that Marty is the more liberal part of the Indie split. Steve Hall only recently found out about Mayo's AAC group. If he knew what Marty knows he probably would have walked a long time ago.

I hope you don't mean CommunicatorIC... I think his/hers are so helpful! This thread is a perfect example. It gives a heads up about Marty's latest, followed by relevant and interesting material from WWP. AND CIC wades through all the insipid suckup-to-Marty comments, and posts the good ones here! I LOVE COMMUNICATORIC!!!

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology." [Marty post: "The Tao of Scientology"]

Yes, I think the video is worth watching or listening to in its entirety. There is quite a bit of criticism, not of DM, but of Scientology. (And, yes, some justification.) YMMV

[video=youtube_share;4obDinXpsZs]http://youtu.be/4obDinXpsZs[/video]

1:00: "And from the very beginning I state in there that I do not limit my practice or my dealing with people to solely the practice of Scientology. I say I draw from a number of disciplines and a number of wisdoms to help people move on up a little higher."

1:37: "What I do is I deal with the person in front of me and I draw from philosophy, science, all manner of different fields, things that are real to them, and communicate to them and give them a broader, deeper, wider contextual appreciation for what this process is that we are engaging in."

6:15: "There is one blanket recommendation that I do make. And I make it to everybody. I make it somebody who is brand new on the Bridge that they have some sort of contextual, that they have some sort boader context with which to appreciate which they are approaching. I give it to people to people who aqre anywhere on the Bridge. People who have left the Church. People who have left staff. Who are looking for some level of equaminity and equilibrium in their life. And I give it to people who have gone have gone the entire route of the Bridge, training and auditing up through OT8, and are like, hey, "What's next?" And that common reference, that I end up basically recommending to everybody is the Tao Te Ching, by Laozi.

14:55: "And I would say that the Tao, that if there was anything that was a part of the program, I mean it is the one thing I just recommend to anybody, and particularly anybody engaging in Scientology."

16:48: "Scientology has been destroyed by this sort of cloistered, you known, emphasis on loyalty and reliance you are on the team, so much so that you can you can get away with the most hideous crimes, and the most hideous atrocities, as long as you can talk the talk. I see it in the church. I see it outside the church."

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Comment: KSW has left the building.

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[xianu]

Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

This is as good as waving a white flag. Even LRH contradicts his own tech. Any other discipline will invalid Scn one way or the other. Perhaps not in one scoop but soon and for the rest of the whole time track. Perhaps Marty didn't know yet.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I don't limit my practice to unworkable tech...

...
RTC Commander Rathbun has switched groups.

But, he's still in the RTC. . .

Religious Tao Center. ​

 

[Anonycat]

Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

It sounds like his announcement that he is offering a new age/scientology/other-wisdom genre of DIY unqualified psychotherapy. He looks pretty content, but I couldn't take any more that 3 minutes of the video. I realized it was a 22 minute infomercial.

 

[TG1]

Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Has anyone watched the whole thing?

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Has anyone watched the whole thing?

Yes. I did a limited transcript of highlights only because I didn't have time to transcribe the entire thing.

As I said, I really think it is worth watching or listening to the entire thing. He says some interesting things. YMMV

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