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Marty Rathbun: thoughts on Scientology and spirituality

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Is there anybody here with a professional background in psychology or a related subject who would like to comment?

I note that he has put on weight, his eyes seem extremely heavy and unfocused and his voice seems fragile and almost "lost" at times.

He's been out for ten years and was in for more than twice as long.

CommunicatorIC is a bit of a "PR" for Marty as the more free and Independent Indie movement. I could not disagree more. Aside from the fact that he is trying to encourage Scientologists to study other subjects as they validate Scientology; something which I personally believe to be completely false, the whole thing is low on enthusiasm, anything educational or mind shattering. It's a load of poor quality comparative spirituality designed to shield the con he's spent so much time protecting. It's also designed to make the subject more authentic which might make him feel his crimes were justified.

I don't see a happy and well person here, but something quite the opposite.
I can't even write any more about this as pondering on the subject is making me feel ill.
He seems to be disintegrating rather than re-integrating. It looks painful.
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Correction, TP: most freezone practitioners claim themselves to be "standard tech".

They differ greatly in opinions about each other. This of course stems from the uncomfortable fact that "standard tech" itself is not clearly and unambiguously defined in any meaningful way, i.e. one that could be measured.

FWIW, personally I don't have a problem with that. But many of the more strident freezoners, especially among the "loyalist" factions, are completely flummoxed by that simple fact. :)


Mark A. Baker

Mark, Terril is promoting usual standard tech PR. The Freezone is standard? Does that include the drunken parties in EG in the indie movement in the early 80's (Steve Bisbey et al)? Ralph Hilton's gang bang TR's down in Wandsworth or his OT3 on you which you redid? Does that include all the OT levels in Ron's Org? Pierre falling asleep in session? The Pilot, Freebird, all the materials being posted online from Russia? The Manias people and their practice?

The Freezone is smaller than it was in the 80's. Once policy got ditched, people gradually walked. There is still an active Freezone now and very successful in some places, but what is standard is not agreed upon.

"Standard Tech" and "Source" are two core lies in Scientology. There's plenty of information out there now to dispel these two ideas. Therefore I don't have a problem with the squirel tech, as the lie of standard tech and source are eradicated.

Marty is now a squirrel too, so maybe he will lighten up on other people.
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

I think of the Scientology cult as being like an ice floe. It's breaking up into little pieces, and those fragments drift off gradually in different directions...

The real news is that there's a general thaw and pretty soon the ice will all have melted. Marty's news is that one particular piece of ice has drifted off in a direction that he finds interesting. It's possible that there's an ice floe heading in a direction that you might be tempted to go. I wouldn't jump on board if I were you, though: any such fragment could turn turtle at any time. The Cheapzone is not renowned for its staying power.

The more it fragments, the faster the melt and the sooner we'll live in a world where the threat of Hubbardism is gone forever. Meanwhile, please keep the schisms coming, Cheapzoners!
 

Andtheyalllived

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Marty is now a squirrel too, so maybe he will lighten up on other people.

NOPE.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-tao-of-scientology/#comments

Michael Hobson | March 13, 2013 at 10:38 am | Reply
“Ron Hubbard said…” does not make truth. That would be an Appeal To Authority – something he spoke against consistently.
Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist


Rod Keller | March 13, 2013 at 11:01 am | Reply
But he didn’t mean it.


martyrathbun09 | March 13, 2013 at 11:03 am | Reply
Perhaps you might show where he may have contradicted it. But, to get into divining his intentions doesn’t do anybody a lot of good.

<Snipped stuff, read for context>

Rod Keller | March 14, 2013 at 9:01 am | Reply

I agree, the organization does not allow study other than LRH.
HCO Policy Letter 15 December 1965R Issue I revised 25 July 1987, STUDENT’S GUIDE TO ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. Guideline #14. Do not engage in any rite, ceremony, or any similar religious treatment or mental therapy while on course without the express permission of the Director of Training.
I’d be curious to know if anybody here has ever asked for or received such permission. I’ve never heard of it happening.


martyrathbun09 | March 14, 2013 at 10:02 am | Reply
That reference does not say what you state it does. I’m about ready to cut you off. You apparently are not attempting to contribute to education here; but instead just attempting to cut down and discredit. Not appropriate to this forum.

Marty is implying that Rod is being deceptive about the reference. Anyone able to look it up? If I were a betting person, I'd say that Rod's quote is slightly off in some way, and Marty's using that (some misspelling or a few words) to imply the content is completely different and therefore is NOT VALID.

In other words, to CUT DOWN AND DISCREDIT him.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

NOPE.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-tao-of-scientology/#comments



<Snipped stuff, read for context>






Marty is implying that Rod is being deceptive about the reference. Anyone able to look it up? If I were a betting person, I'd say that Rod's quote is slightly off in some way, and Marty's using that (some misspelling or a few words) to imply the content is completely different and therefore is NOT VALID.

In other words, to CUT DOWN AND DISCREDIT him.

I don't see a policy of that name on that date in 1965.

HCOBs: http://www.mediafire.com/?fcl09d32ha3a1
 
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Mark, Terril is promoting usual standard tech PR. ...

Actually I'm not convinced that is true. I am convinced he believes what he says. Putting it simply in my experience, TP, is not a "go to guy" for interesting and informative analysis, nor the greatest at differentiating nuances. Big on rumor and gossip. Not equally reliable on fact and logical inference.

He generally means what he says, but often what he says doesn't mean what he thinks. :coolwink:


... The Freezone is standard? Does that include the drunken parties in EG in the indie movement in the early 80's (Steve Bisbey et al)? Ralph Hilton's gang bang TR's down in Wandsworth or his OT3 on you which you redid? Does that include all the OT levels in Ron's Org? Pierre falling asleep in session? The Pilot, Freebird, all the materials being posted online from Russia? The Manias people and their practice? ...

For the purpose of clarification, the above are questions, possibly rhetorical, aimed at Terril. I've no connection with England. Did not do any actions with Ralph Hilton. And I've never been in a session situation with Pierre, among other things.

The way the post was written, first addressed in response to myself and then introducing the pointed questions, is suggestive that these somehow apply to me when in fact they do not. Hence my clarification.


Mark A. Baker
 

In present time

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

I don't see a policy of that name on that date in 1965.

HCOBs: http://www.mediafire.com/?fcl09d32ha3a1

Alright, so Marty's lying. That's 100% standard Scientology tech, at least. Marty lies, bears shit in the woods, etc. etc.

The real revelation for me was... doesn't Marty look old, all of a sudden?
He does! I was really distracted by that. I don't think that he just gained weight, he practically looked like his false teeth would fall out. It was strange.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Mark, Terril is promoting usual standard tech PR. The Freezone is standard? Does that include the drunken parties in EG in the indie movement in the early 80's (Steve Bisbey et al)? Ralph Hilton's gang bang TR's down in Wandsworth or his OT3 on you which you redid? Does that include all the OT levels in Ron's Org? Pierre falling asleep in session? The Pilot, Freebird, all the materials being posted online from Russia? The Manias people and their practice?

The Freezone is smaller than it was in the 80's. Once policy got ditched, people gradually walked. There is still an active Freezone now and very successful in some places, but what is standard is not agreed upon.

"Standard Tech" and "Source" are two core lies in Scientology. There's plenty of information out there now to dispel these two ideas. Therefore I don't have a problem with the squirel tech, as the lie of standard tech and source are eradicated.

Marty is now a squirrel too, so maybe he will lighten up on other people.

You a squirrel?
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

I think of the Scientology cult as being like an ice floe. It's breaking up into little pieces, and those fragments drift off gradually in different directions...

The real news is that there's a general thaw and pretty soon the ice will all have melted. Marty's news is that one particular piece of ice has drifted off in a direction that he finds interesting. It's possible that there's an ice floe heading in a direction that you might be tempted to go. I wouldn't jump on board if I were you, though: any such fragment could turn turtle at any time. The Cheapzone is not renowned for its staying power.

The more it fragments, the faster the melt and the sooner we'll live in a world where the threat of Hubbardism is gone forever. Meanwhile, please keep the schisms coming, Cheapzoners!

We've been around for a very long time. Even longer than 1982 for example.

Probably outproducing CO$ re auditing and training

You have a problem with that?
 

Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

I used to think Marty Rathbun was an idiot.

Now I am seeing the savant.

Long live time.

Mojo


Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology." [Marty post: "The Tao of Scientology"]

Yes, I think the video is worth watching or listening to in its entirety. There is quite a bit of criticism, not of DM, but of Scientology. (And, yes, some justification.) YMMV

[video=youtube_share;4obDinXpsZs]http://youtu.be/4obDinXpsZs[/video]

1:00: "And from the very beginning I state in there that I do not limit my practice or my dealing with people to solely the practice of Scientology. I say I draw from a number of disciplines and a number of wisdoms to help people move on up a little higher."

1:37: "What I do is I deal with the person in front of me and I draw from philosophy, science, all manner of different fields, things that are real to them, and communicate to them and give them a broader, deeper, wider contextual appreciation for what this process is that we are engaging in."

6:15: "There is one blanket recommendation that I do make. And I make it to everybody. I make it somebody who is brand new on the Bridge that they have some sort of contextual, that they have some sort boader context with which to appreciate which they are approaching. I give it to people to people who aqre anywhere on the Bridge. People who have left the Church. People who have left staff. Who are looking for some level of equaminity and equilibrium in their life. And I give it to people who have gone have gone the entire route of the Bridge, training and auditing up through OT8, and are like, hey, "What's next?" And that common reference, that I end up basically recommending to everybody is the Tao Te Ching, by Laozi.

14:55: "And I would say that the Tao, that if there was anything that was a part of the program, I mean it is the one thing I just recommend to anybody, and particularly anybody engaging in Scientology."

16:48: "Scientology has been destroyed by this sort of cloistered, you known, emphasis on loyalty and reliance you are on the team, so much so that you can you can get away with the most hideous crimes, and the most hideous atrocities, as long as you can talk the talk. I see it in the church. I see it outside the church."

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Comment: KSW has left the building.

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CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

The following video and comment were posted on Marty's blog. I found them of interest. YMMV

[video=youtube_share;xvvLX-rjl_I]http://youtu.be/xvvLX-rjl_I[/video]

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-tao-of-scientology/#comment-258498
chris | March 13, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Reply

Hi Tom,

Um… I hope everyone can take the time to watch this. If not the whole thing then at least go to 6:20 and press play.

In my view this one truth is at the heart of why scientology became the train wreck that it is today.

…he could never say ‘I was wrong’…


Not sure i totally believe all that is being said by Mr. Spickler but that is one thing you need no further evidence of. And it’s a doozy. A big phat one.
Contrary to what the above comment suggests, I suggest you watch the entire video.

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Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

The following video and comment were posted on Marty's blog. I found them of interest. YMMV

[video=youtube_share;xvvLX-rjl_I]http://youtu.be/xvvLX-rjl_I[/video]

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-tao-of-scientology/#comment-258498
Contrary to what the above comment suggests, I suggest you watch the entire video.

.

Perfect advise.

:01 second in: fascinating (must hearing).

:30 seconds in: fascinating. (ditto)

:53 seconds in: fascinating. (ditto)

1 minute 25 seconds in: fascinating. (ditto)

1 minute 54 seconds in: (you get the idea, lol).

By 6:20 it's a given.

Great find.

Thank you for sharing it (with me & my friends, or my friends and I) and thank you for sharing it, with us all (CommunicatorIC)

Mojo
 

Veda

Sponsor
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

The 1938 'Excalibur' letter, where Hubbard wrote of his "real goal" of becoming a legend, and making Napoleon look like a punk, by smashing his name into history, etc., and the 1946 'Affirmations', where Hubbard wrote of the hypnotic power of his system of psychology, and his desire to make men his slaves, etc., have not been included, even though they occurred before L. Ron Hubbard Jr. left Scientology in November or December of 1959. I'm also pretty sure that the 'HCO Manual of Justice' of 1959 was written before Ron Jr. left, yet that also has not been included here.

Below is a sampling of some pages from the many pages of letters sent by L. Ron Hubbard to the FBI during the early and mid 1950s. The 1951 letter, where Hubbard reported his wife to the FBI, is not included.

I've seen the photocopies of these letters, and the 2nd and 3rd pages down are missing a paragraph and two lines which were, for some reason, not scanned. I have filled in the missing paragraph and two lines.

The content of these letters ranges from attempts to identify people as Comminists, to "explanations" for various things, and an apparent attempt to persuade the FBI to persuade the IRS to not investigate Hubbard and his finances lest Hubbard accept a Soviet offer to fly to Russia and work "for very high fees," etc., to just plain bizarre ramblings.

The letters in their entirety can be accessed if one is curious, but these pages happen to be handy on the Net.

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"In the greatest spirit of friendship and camaraderie it seem that I can go to Russia as an advisor or a consultant and have my own laboratories and receive very high fees. And it's all so easy because it's already been ascertained that I could get my passport extended for Russia and all I had to do was go to Paris and there a Russian plane would pick me up and that would be that.

"Indeed that would be that.

"I suppose when the Russian-inclined 'friend' finds that...

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A page from another letter of the time period:
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Part of a letter from September 1955. Note the reference to LSD.

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A few weeks later in September 1955, Hubbard also told Scientologists about the covert use of LSD - the "insanity drug" - to undermine and discredit Scientology. Note the duplicity.

From the 'Professional Auditors Bulletin' of 30 September 1955:

" I could tell you about long strings of psychotics run in on the Foundation and the Association, sent in to us by psychiatrists who then, using LSD and pain-drug-hypnosis, spun them and told everyone that Dianetics and Scientology drove people insane. I could tell you about the strange politics and ambitions of psychiatry, so well covered in the book Psychopolitics [Hubbard's hoax 'Russian textbook on Pyscho-Politics', which he had just secretly authored and was soon to be published], and give you a proper riddle as to why we, a small group, the only ANGLO-SAXON DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIELD OF THE MIND AND SPIRIT [sic], have been subjected to so much attack and finance... But I am not telling you stories or being dramatic. I am inviting your cooperation in your own future security..."

As for dealing with those whose behavior became erratic or an embarrassment after Scientology processing, Hubbard wrote, in the same 'PAB':

"You'll find the family physician or psychiatrist was called in midway in processing... You'll find there is a vested interest somewhere in the insanity of the person. An so testify that you suspect it. We will have on hand lots of literature on LSD..."


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"He [Hubbard] stayed up most of the night with a bottle of rum, which was empty in the morning, and he dictated the whole book, 'Science of Survival', onto little green discs on a recording machine..."

Richard DeMille, regarding events of 1951, interviewed by Russell Miller:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/demille.htm

The genesis of both the Fair Game Law and Disconnection can be found in the book 'Science of Survival'.


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According to John Sanborn who was a witness to Hubbard abducting Alexis in 1951, "Hubbard considered Lexi [Alexis] as a pawn in the game, something he could deny Sara."

Sara holds the distinction of having signed the first coerced "retraction" statement (1951) in Scientology's history:

I, Sara Northup Hubbard, do hereby state that the things that I have said about L. Ron Hubbard in courts and public prints have been grossly exaggerated or entirely false. I have not at any time believed otherwise than that L. Ron Hubbard was a fine and brilliant man..."


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Letter from Ron Hubbard to 2nd wife Sara, from 1951 (...and, for any rosy cheeked Independent Scientologists out there :eyeroll:, no, Hubbard was not in a Cuban Military Hospital, was not about to be transferred to the States as a classified scientist immune from interference of all kinds, was not paralyzed, did not have trouble moving and was not going blind, and no, the Army and Navy did not have it. For an account of this time, suggest consulting the Richard DeMille interview by Russell Miller.):

"Dear Sara -

"I have been in a Cuban Military Hospital and I am being transferred to the States next week as a classified scientist immune from interference of all kinds though I will be hospitalized probably for a long time. Alexis is getting excellent care. I see here every day. She is all I have to live for. My wits never gave way under all you did and let them do but my body didn't stand up. My right side is paralyzed and getting more so. I have trouble moving and I am going blind. I hope my heart lasts.

"I may live a long time and again I may not. But Dianetics will last 10,000 years for the Army and Navy have it now. But I wanted to be well and strong and I can barely move now."My will is all changed. Alexis will get a fortune unless she goes to you as she would then get nothing.

"Get away from bad companions.

"Hope to see you once more.

"Goodbye - I love you.

"Ron."



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Also in 1951, 1st wife Polly wrote this letter to Hubbard's 2nd wife, Sara (From court records):

"Sara-

"If I can help in any way, I'd like to - You must get Alexis [Hubbard's daughter by Sara] in your custody - Ron is not normal. I had hoped that you could straighten him out. Your charges probably sound fantastic to the average person - but I've been through it - the beatings, threats on my life, all the sadistic traits you charge - twelve years of it. I haven't asked for anything, but with all the money rolling in from 'Dianetics' I had hoped to get enough for plastic surgery for Kay's [Ron Jr.'s younger sister] birthmark - Please believe I do want you to get Alexis."



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Old timer John Sanborn, editor of many of Hubbard's early books, said this during a 1986 interview:

"Early on (before the divorce) he [Hubbard] made this stupid attempt to get Sara brainwashed so she'd do what he said. He kept her sitting up in a chair, denying her sleep, trying to use Black Dianetic principles on her, repeating over and over again whatever he wanted her to do. Things like, 'Be his wife, have a family that looks good, not have a divorce'."

Note: Underlining added


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From Hubbard's 1955 'Manual on Dissemination of Material' [bracketed material added]:

"...the communication line ['to wogs'] is that Scientologists do not pose any threat, that Scientologists are good citizens, and that they can be trusted with problems of a private and confidential nature... Another frame of mind that we would like to see the public have and register are that people attacking Scientologists have something wrong with them... As a subdivision of this, the actual substance of communication about what Scientology actually is... from the general public to the general public [what the "wogs" should say to each other about Scientology] should be that Scientology says that good health and immortality are attainable. That it is compounded out of all Man knows about Man..."

And,

"No Scientologist should ever consent to take a position on a panel or public stage engaging in debate of Scientology with some other subject. This is an entirely unclear communication line... Any such debate engaged upon demeaned or degraded Scientology by permitting it to be talked about contemptuously before a group - a thing which SHOULD NEVER BE PERMITTED [Capitalization in original]...

"Never defend. Always attack...

"NEVER BE INTERESTED IN CHARGES. DO, yourself, much MORE CHARGING, and you will WIN..."

And, also from the same 1955 'Manual on Dissemination':

"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win."

The law can be used very easily to harass... If possible of course, ruin him utterly."


And, almost forgot.

In autumn 1955 the fraudulent "Russian Textbook on Psycho-Politics" ("Brainwashing Manual"), was concocted by Scientology's founder, and presented to Scientologists as a top secret Russian text, one that denounces Dianetics as a danger to Communism, etc. By the early 1960s and, in some instances, as early as 1950s, Hubbard had begun applying its ideas and methods http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg on Scientologists.


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This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last 60 trillion years."

From 'What to Audit', 1952, re-titled 'History of Man'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpHhJKeTYxI


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In 1952, Scientology's founder invented a past and a future for Scientologists. He made it trillions of years in both directions. He first experimented with inventing a past for Scientologists in his Benzedrine-inspired text 'History of Man', originally titled 'What to Audit'.

Around that same time, Hubbard tested other ideas, such as that a person's reaction to Scientology (or to him), would place that person on the "Tone Scale," with a disapproving reaction placing the person low on the scale. Those low on the "Tone Scale" - not being "sane" - were to have no credibility, and "no rights of any kind."

Hubbard also tested the idea of using meters as truth detectors. Does anyone doubt that showman and hypnotist Hubbard, when using an early Mathison e-meter, one which projected its needle movements on a wall or screen for all to see, did not notice when many in the crowd oohed and aahed at the display of a reaction?

Yet, it was premature for the implementation of these ideas on the still small, fragile and tentative membership.

This latest - that Hubbard went bad after Ron Jr. left -
will be added to the other attempts to salvage Hubbard as the fallen hero, humanitarian, and benefactor of Mankind.
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

My husband is a cop. He walked by while I was watching this video. Stopped, watched for 30 seconds, and said "That dude's lyin' his ass off."

MOAR, PLEASE ! What are the 'tells"?
 

A.K. Myers

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Wishfull thinking. Most in the FZ remain scientologists, though some don't.
Most practitioners remain pretty standard, but often gain some flexibility. For
example embracing John McMasters view to PTS handling, which in fact LRH
himself did in his last 1975 lectures.

Don't get me started on unusual practices in the freezone. I
realize that you are their number one FSM so I respond
accordingly. :/

:coolwink:
 

A.K. Myers

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

:thumbsup:

If I have one regret it is that I did not make the opportunity to take better advantage of the AAC in Santa Barbara while it was still open. I was occupied with friends operating elsewhere at the time. Yet, I was always highly impressed with the AAC community on my fores there, whether on business or otherwise. I had always intended to do so, and then they were forced to close. :sad:


Mark A. Baker

I was on Sarge Gerbode's staff at the Palo Alto Mission when the
shit hit the fan. Because the finance police forced "standard pay
policy" to be applied I could not afford to work there so I left staff.
I heard via the Zegal tapes that the cult had a seekrit base in
Hemet, complete with a sailing ship. I took a road trip and checked
it out. It was true!

Because of that, I decided to swing through Santa Barbara on the
way home. I visited the AAC. The ARC was high and the people
seemed very relaxed. As I was leaving I met Sarge walking up the
drive. The AAC Palo Alto opened shortly thereafter. Several other
AACs opened up in other locations.

We were as "standard" as the cult. We had all the oatee levels,
including the NOTs material that David re-wrote from memory.
We just didn't have the horrific redging and the inval/eval from
Ron's minions, the sea ogres.

:coolwink:
 

Daisy

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Could not sit through the entire video. My take: I'm starting my own cult which will incorporate Scientology and other practices, philosophies and other religions. I will apply to each person their own path or bridge to enlightenment. Basically I will set forth your own bridge to follow.

If you are interested, please let me know by posting on my blog on how wonderful and spiritual I am. Maybe you might consider joining my personal cult.

Hey, maybe Marty can start his own cult commune out there in Texas. I wonder what the name will be?
 

Veda

Sponsor
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Could not sit through the entire video. My take: I'm starting my own cult which will incorporate Scientology and other practices, philosophies and other religions. I will apply to each person their own path or bridge to enlightenment. Basically I will set forth your own bridge to follow.

If you are interested, please let me know by posting on my blog on how wonderful and spiritual I am. Maybe you might consider joining my personal cult.

Hey, maybe Marty can start his own cult commune out there in Texas. I wonder what the name will be?

I listened to the entire video. IMO, it's better that Marty is moving in this direction than for him to be standing still.

Chances are, in a month or two, his views will have shifted some more.

Maybe he'll even stop BSing people about Hubbard not directing the key GO spying and dirty tricks activities, and cool it on the silly "literalizing of L. Ron Hubbard," "Incident 2 is a metaphor" PR lines.

I say, give Marty some more time. :)
 

OhMG

Patron Meritorious
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Marty is implying that Rod is being deceptive about the reference. Anyone able to look it up? If I were a betting person, I'd say that Rod's quote is slightly off in some way, and Marty's using that (some misspelling or a few words) to imply the content is completely different and therefore is NOT VALID.

In other words, to CUT DOWN AND DISCREDIT him.

Yes. Rod correctly quoted that PL and its meaning. Marty knows the reference and is, without ANY doubt, lying and trying to do to Rod what you said.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Re: Marty: "I do not limit my practice... to solely the practice of Scientology."

Marty is evolving, slowly, out of the Scientology maze..... he's no different in this than many who left, who still believed until they read the facts; or who left CoS and then went to the FZ and walked away, knowing with more certainty that all the glitters is not gold.

I'd rather have him looking at Taoism, than only at Scientology. At least he's looking and agreeing that Scientology is not 100% the way out. I think people expect too much of him, too soon. Better to hope he continues on this path, and learns from his mistakes and actions ( and hopefully takes responsibility for the things he's done to upset or harm others), than to tear him down while he works on a better understanding out of the maze. I suspect some people will listen to him and perhaps start looking outside the Scientology crap. It can only come to more good then bad, the way I see it.
 
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