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Funny how this thread started with throwing suspicion at people wanting to protect their privacy and now turning into how you should protect your privacy.

Use Hushmail :)

And for anything truly important use public key encryption. GPG is excellent.


Mark A. Baker
 

Nicole

Silver Meritorious Patron
I get PANIC :omg::D

BTW I am doing nothing illegal, I never made anything illegal.

... and only because of this cult and only because of OSA I have to do these thinks. I have to use hushmail, I have to use GPG, I bought me a good cellphone with foto- and videocamera... and some things more!

I don't want to get today angry, but I get again angry.:angry: :grouch:.
 

Isene

Patron with Honors
I get PANIC :omg::D

BTW I am doing nothing illegal, I never made anything illegal.

... and only because of this cult and only because of OSA I have to do these thinks. I have to use hushmail, I have to use GPG, I bought me a good cellphone with foto- and videocamera... and some things more!

I don't want to get today angry, but I get again angry.:angry: :grouch:.

Probably the accumulated cost of worrying outweighs the risk for anything bad to happen in this area. It's easy to get all worked up and think this is such an exciting James Bond movie. It is not.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Marty is not trying to reform scientology. He is trying to save scientology. He does *not* care what crimes were committed for scientology, because criminal activities have been done for the survival of scientology. He does care that some of the crimes *he* committed might land him in jail. He would use the crimes of others to promote himself as cult saviour. His operation is nothing like the OZ anti-scientology projects. Marty is *not* trying to save people from scientology, he is trying to save them from becoming ex-sceintologists.
Marty committed crimes for the greatest number of dynamics. When DM commits crimes, it is, according to Marty, to ruin Rons tech. Is that what they mean by ser-fac?
Marty knows the tech better than any of the class X11's that were around when he became Mr-Better-Than-Everyone.
Marty is a cult saviour.
Marty is *not* deprogramming, waking up, finding the truth, coming to understand how he was brainwashed, or following the same path as cult leavers. Marty is not a cult leaver. And he does *NOT* want others to leave either. Nor will he allow any criticism of the cult, only DM or the structures that he, in his superior cult leader way thinks *he should be controlling.

He will succeed if he connects up with the Neuroscientists of the University of Wisconsin that alsoo have worked with Buddhist monks and the Dalai Lama.

[B]Patricia Curtis [/B]| September 17, 2010 at 8:00 pm | Reply This post goes to the very heart of why I became an activist against the church’s abuses. From the approach of simple brain mechanics, the tech affects and effects the formation of one’s neuron connections, how the brain is hard-wired – which is how dangerous thought-control is achieved. Miscavige has harnessed the “Golden” tech’s effectiveness at hard-wiring the brain in a certain way so that people are actually destroying themselves and the only thing golden is the inside of his tiny little pockets.

I so appreciate Glenn’s warning to be extremely selective about the person you entrust yourself to in the auditing process. Personally, I trust only myself and God when it comes to managing my thoughts, but if I were ever to be audited I would make absolute certain that person had my very best interests in mind and that there was a genuine bond of love between us (which Glenn also advocated). And that is what I admire most about this Indy community. I believe you truly are invested in each other’s best interests and well-being, and there is a heartwarming abundance of love here.

I’ve encountered a lot of DM Scientologists via my activism and for the most part it is apparent they are wonderful people at heart – but it’s cloaked behind the processing. I really like those handlers in LA and wish Patty Baber would take my offer to have lunch someday. She seems like she would be so much fun if that spell of Golden tech could be broken. I even enjoyed meeting with Kendrick Moxon and could see what an old friend of his described as “handsome, fun, and adventurous” still there behind his dark cloak (oh hai thar, Rick). The guards at HGB, Andy Knapp and Franck Paolo…good people and so tragically stuck in the mindset. I even think Tommy Davis is a good guy if he could ever break loose from the puppet strings. My goal was never to destroy a religion but to draw attention to what David Miscavige is doing with that religion to the detriment of people lives. This post sums it up SO PERFECTLY and my fervent prayer is that the day will come when every DM Scientologist reads it and trusts their instincts telling them it’s true.


Cat Daddy | September 17, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Reply My Guru

Jim Logan | September 17, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Reply Hi Tower of Power Pat,
Somewhat recent studies with Buddhist monks have made a fundamental paradigm shift in neuroscience and the concept of ‘hard-wired’ brains. It seems the reality is neuroplasticity and considerations taking rank over the mechanics.

Cool.

Cat Daddy | September 17, 2010 at 10:42 pm | Reply Bare with me Jim, Neuroplasticity is something Hubbard indeed seemed to promisse through Scientology. Independants can let this pass them by or partner up with those devils at Wisconsin University and this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFbm3jL7CDI

Neuroplasticity. Wiring and rewiring of the brain can go both ways but you allready KNEW that. With this however I like moving to the sensible middle or the middle path because gays will be gay and epilepsie still requires other treathments. More to come, more to come.

CD.

Scott Campbell | September 18, 2010 at 2:13 am | Reply Jimmy, me Belter!

I have a good friend who is a Buddhist (she also has a doctorate in psychology under Viktor Frankl) whom I have known for 41 years (I’m 48 now). Her son is my best buddy since grade school.

She works directly with the Buddhist monks and neuroscientists of which you speak. She has told me of that phenomena, whereby the actual physical structure of the brain changes according to what type of meditation or stimulus it is subject to.

Your summation of consideration being senior to mechanics is now being researched and verified in the scientific community.

Who Knows, maybe they’ll even verify that spiritual beings actually do exist soon! Ha.

BTW, she is fascinated with our group and wants to meet Marty. She’s also read a lot of LRH in the past and says he was “Absolutely brilliant” and considers him “One of the Prophets”.

Scott

Cat Daddy | September 18, 2010 at 8:06 am | Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I have been pointing towards this a while (beating own drum, ego showing). Scott Campbell. This is excellent. “Putting the Science in”

Everything connects with everything Marty here is your chanche and if you alow me to post what I posted on an earlier thread:
http://www.dalailama.com/news/post/104-how-thinking-can-change-the-brain

Damn Marty my postulate of you meeting up with those guys may well become thruth.

http://www.youtube.com/user/InnerMastery#p/u/34/3C-oRO6Bxz4

Everything connect with everything. whilr I do not see the founder as a phrophet I can see the line that comes from Freud to Young connecting up with Hubbard going towards todays 25 year study of neuroplasticity. Even Victor Frankl is on these lines.

This is your chance. Cat Daddy, weird scientist by nature.

HOW THINKING CAN CHANGE THE BRAIN
http://www.dalailama.com/news/post/104-how-thinking-can-change-the-brain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-oRO6Bxz4
 
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lurkanon

Patron with Honors
Funny how this thread started with throwing suspicion at people wanting to protect their privacy and now turning into how you should protect your privacy.

Use Hushmail :)

If that comment was directed at my posting of excerpts of the Security Briefing from Steve Hall's site, you misunderstood my intent. Our pet Armadillo was saying how he couldn't find anything anywhere from Marty and Mike about why the need to use hushmail. I was pointing out that while the information did not come from Marty's blog directly, it was there from a site they link to. Since Steve Hall is one of the original "Gang of Five" and a friend, it is obvious that Marty is adhering to those guidelines in Steve's post, which clearly spell out why there is the need for some to apply the protections outlined.

If your comment was not directed towards my post, ignore this comment.
 

Isene

Patron with Honors
If that comment was directed at my posting of excerpts of the Security Briefing from Steve Hall's site, you misunderstood my intent. Our pet Armadillo was saying how he couldn't find anything anywhere from Marty and Mike about why the need to use hushmail. I was pointing out that while the information did not come from Marty's blog directly, it was there from a site they link to. Since Steve Hall is one of the original "Gang of Five" and a friend, it is obvious that Marty is adhering to those guidelines in Steve's post, which clearly spell out why there is the need for some to apply the protections outlined.

If your comment was not directed towards my post, ignore this comment.

Duly ignored ;)
 

Veda

Sponsor
"It is incumbent on this and every court to realize the amount of deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality that Scientology will employ to hide the truth about their criminal activities. They will spend any amount of money to do this. I know because I was part of it for years. I received orders to break the law. I issued orders to break the law. I got others to break the law, and then I helped to hide these criminal activities just as they are hiding them now. In fact, the tactic is one of the most coercive used by the Scientology hierarchy: to involve members in criminal acts for which they are then liable, which then prevents the person from speaking out."

From an affidavit of Jesse Prince

Everything Marty Rathbun does comes down to PR damage control for Hubbard and Scientology. Because PR has been used badly by the "Church" of Scientology, don't think it can't be used sophisticatedly and cleverly, and with effectiveness, by "outside the C of S Scientologists."

Compare Rathbun's statements with statements of former senior Scientologists who have left Scientology. These statements can be found in affidavits, interviews, and in books.

Rathbun falls into the "preserve the LRH cult" camp. That requires him, at times (too often), to be dishonest and to be manipulative, since Scientology itself is a dishonest and manipulative subject - albeit a dishonest and manipulative subject decorated with some brilliant truths.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Probably.

Please explain a s scenario where what I wrote would lead to one less coerced abortion, forced disconnection or getting someone in OSA jailed.

What you write seems so dramatic, it sounds like the police organizations when they want unlimited freedom to invade people's privacy - they almost always pull the child pornography card to make people give up their rights to be anonymous on the net. Pulling that card will get them just about any new anti-privacy law passed. Or pulling the terrorist card in the US.

In the rather insignificant world of OSA and such drama, it's pulling the forced disconnection or the coerced abortion that does the trick.

You deleted the part where I said that the accumulated knowledge of people who have experience, like you, but especially like Marty and Mike - and others.

Tell me "Mike Rinder's Guide to OSA" would not be a valuable book.

It's astounding to me that you do not see the value of this. But then again Marty did not tell you it was valuable,and in fact seems to be downplaying its value by ignoring it, so why should you see the value in it, right?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Funny how this thread started with throwing suspicion at people wanting to protect their privacy and now turning into how you should protect your privacy.

Use Hushmail :)

This thread was always about how you should protect your privacy, Geir. It was never about throwing suspicion at people who wanted to protect their privacy.

It's about how the guy who has done everything he could to invade other people's privacy does not tell anyone else how he used to do it, what tactics he employed and how he set up and ran OSA to do it -all while he protects himself against those tactics he helped to create, and while those same tactics are used being against others which he is not telling them about.

Someday you'll get it Geir.

But not today, obviously.
 
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Isene

Patron with Honors
You deleted the part where I said that the accumulated knowledge of people who have experience, like you, but especially like Marty and Mike - and others.

Tell me "Mike Rinder's Guide to OSA" would not be a valuable book.

It's astounding to me that you do not see the value of this. But then again Marty did not tell you it was valuable,and in fact seems to be downplaying its value by ignoring it, so why should you see the value in it, right?

Here we go again; Straw man.
 

Isene

Patron with Honors
It's about how the guy who has done everything he could to invade other people's privacy does not tell anyone else how he used to do it, what tactics he employed and how how set OSA up and ran OSA to do it -all while he protects himself against those tactics he helped to create, and which tactics are used being against others which he is not telling them about.

Their tactics on the net... You'll have to wait until hell freezes over. I do not think any of them have a clue about how OSA was operating a PC much less conducted ops on the Internet. They wouldn't use Hushmail if they were savvy. Your OP sorta proves the point.
 

Veda

Sponsor
You deleted the part where I said that the accumulated knowledge of people who have experience, like you, but especially like Marty and Mike - and others.

Tell me "Mike Rinder's Guide to OSA" would not be a valuable book.

It's astounding to me that you do not see the value of this. But then again Marty did not tell you it was valuable,and in fact seems to be downplaying its value by ignoring it, so why should you see the value in it, right?

Actually, there were three references to the "accumulation of knowledge" and all were deleted, with no indication of deletion occurring.

Interesting; and revealing a desire (perhaps unconscious) to not fully "connect the dots" on the topic of Scientology.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
If that comment was directed at my posting of excerpts of the Security Briefing from Steve Hall's site, you misunderstood my intent. Our pet Armadillo was saying how he couldn't find anything anywhere from Marty and Mike about why the need to use hushmail. I was pointing out that while the information did not come from Marty's blog directly, it was there from a site they link to. Since Steve Hall is one of the original "Gang of Five" and a friend, it is obvious that Marty is adhering to those guidelines in Steve's post, which clearly spell out why there is the need for some to apply the protections outlined.

If your comment was not directed towards my post, ignore this comment.

Thanks for your contribution.

I had not seen that.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Actually, there were three references to the "accumulation of knowledge" and all three were deleted, with no indication of deletion occurring.

Interesting; and revealing a desire (perhaps unconscious) to not fully "connect the dots" on the topic of Scientology.

Hey come on now. That's a low blow.

Geir's an OT 8.

He does not have an unconscious.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Actually, there were three references to the "accumulation of knowledge" and all were deleted, with no indication of deletion occurring.

Interesting; and revealing a desire (perhaps unconscious) to not fully "connect the dots" on the topic of Scientology.

Rather than a desire, its more likely to be fear. The idea that a person's life has been usurped by a whopping great money generating mind fuck must be a bit like suddenly finding oneself at the edge of cliff. I'd be terrified. Given his time in and vehemence of faith, though, Geir seems to be making good progress. He has the advantage over Marty in terms of genuine intelligence versus sly cunning. Unfortunately, the hardest part is yet to come. Once the veil slips, its into the "grief cycle" which, of course, starts with denial. Who wants to admit to having not only warped their own lifetime but also the lives of others? Thing is, its no one's fault except gold ole LRH.
 

Isene

Patron with Honors
Actually, there were three references to the "accumulation of knowledge" and all were deleted, with no indication of deletion occurring.

Simply because as I said - I fail to see how my contribution would in any way be a dot in a scenario where any of the crimes could be stopped. Unless one has a very vivid or dramatic imagination.
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
It is conversations like this that make me appreciate why Emma has graduated.

Lord, you people are tiresome.

Goodbye.

TG1
 
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