Marty toasted on both sides on KHOW radio yesterday
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jenni with an eye
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Are you suggesting that due to "it still has this bolded heading of the sub-topic Re: Marty toasted on both sides on KHOW radio yesterday." that the whole thread should be just about that.
Then Veda was very
for introducing the Ceberano interview on this thread. 
To assume I was suggesting that you were "dumb or stupid" is incorrect.
I used the "duh" icon as representative of me hitting my own head when I read your original post.
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I guess that is one of the things that makes this board interesting. Varying views. This one appears to be Roshomon-like, because I can't imagine some of the responses I am seeing that she did not lie.
If someone asked me when I was studying Scientology about Xenu and dead space aliens (whether or not I was going to give them a truthful answer) I would know precisely what they were talking about.
If I answered that I didn't know about that, it would be a lie.
I have no idea why you think the person being asked that question would not know what is being asked. I know Scientologists are stupid, but they actually do know what they study about on OT III because it is drilled into them endlessly until they can parrot it back.
Do you actually think she didn't know what she was being asked?
Do you actually think that she didn't intend to lie and lie?
You think she (in her own mind) was telling the truth?
OMG! lolol
jenni with an eye
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I have to say that in all my years as a scio, auditor & solo auditor, I never thought in those terms either.
I had never heard anyone else refer to it in such terms either.
Actually, I was first introduced to the replacement label of "dead space aliens" here on esmb.
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Well, perhaps you should view the interview again? She wasn't asked about "Xenu or dead space aliens" and she didn't say she didn't know what the Interviewer was talking about when she was asked if she "believed in aliens", she said "In my three generations of scientology I've never heard of that" (or words to that effect). The Interviewer failed to realise that she'd been given a non-answer (big surprise!).
This is the whole point I'm trying to make here. If you're going to talk to a scientologist about Incident 2, use the terminology of Incident 2 not some invented terminology that they've probably NEVER considered. Sure, they'll duck and weave but essentially they either have to answer with a lie, answer with the truth or not answer at all.
"Aliens?" is too alien for scientologists.
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I have to say that in all my years as a scio, auditor & solo auditor, I never thought in those terms either.
I had never heard anyone else refer to it in such terms either.
Actually, I was first introduced to the replacement label of "dead space aliens" here on esmb.
And if you were being asked questions about Xenu and dead space aliens, you would have had no idea what they were asking you about?
Oh really?
If you're going to answer yes, then my response will be "whoa!" So I guess we can move on now.
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Are you suggesting that due to "it still has this bolded heading of the sub-topic Re: Marty toasted on both sides on KHOW radio yesterday." that the whole thread should be just about that.
No. If I had been suggesting that I would have said that explicity. Read what I did say, explicity.
Then Veda was very
To assume I was suggesting that you were "dumb or stupid" is incorrect.
I used the "duh" icon as representative of of me hitting my own head when I read your original post.
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Well, perhaps you should view the interview again? She didn't say she didn't know what the Interviewer was talking about when she was asked if she "believed in aliens", she said "In my three generations of scientology I've never heard of that" (or words to that effect). The Interviewer failed to realise that she'd been given a non-answer (big surprise!).
This is the whole point I'm trying to make here. If you're going to talk to a scientologist about Incident 2, use the terminology of Incident 2 not some invented terminology that they've probably NEVER considered. Sure, they'll duck and weave but essentially they either have to answer with a lie, with the truth or not answer at all.
"Aliens?" is too alien for scientologists.
DECEPTION = LIES
That's all I have to say.
She knows what they were asking about and took the feeble excuse of a "non-standard" description as an excuse to lie. Simple.
Likewise, if someone asked her, "Hey I heard that on Section III OT, Hubbard teaches you about those ghost thingies that are stuck in your body" her response would have been:
"In my three generations of scientology I've never heard of ghost thingies stuck in my body."
If someone wants to lie and pretend they didn't understand the question, it's still a lie.
jenni with an eye
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And if you were being asked questions about Xenu and dead space aliens, you would have had no idea what they were asking you about?
Oh really? Okay, if you say so.
If you're going to answer yes, then my response will be "whoa!" So I guess we can move on now.
You know what, I'm not even going to dignify your question with a response.
I'm not interested in splitting hairs or nit picking
I've already stated what I know to be true in my earlier post.
I'm not asking you to like it, agree with it or whatever.
I'm just pointing out that some of what you are suggesting may be true for you but is sure as hell not true for me.
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No. If I had been suggesting that I would have said that explicity. Read what I did say, explicity.
Well, that's a relief...
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Undoubtedly! That's just making life easy for them. I understand that the spirit of the question is a different thing than the exact syntax of the question, btw, but playing Devil's Advocate is a fun game nonetheless. What do you imagine she might say if asked, "Hey I heard that on Section III OT, Hubbard teaches you about Body Thetans" ???
Sindy
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A lie is a lie is a lie.
Kate Ceberano gave the pat, PR answer that she has been drilled to give, the "I think people are confusing Hubbard's science fiction work when they say that upper level auditing is about space aliens" answer. I've heard several people give that same exact answer. It's contrived so as not to have to answer the question but, the "no-answer" is still a lie. She and the others know darn well that people are not confusing Hubbard's fiction and non-fiction.
Kate Ceberano gave the pat, PR answer that she has been drilled to give, the "I think people are confusing Hubbard's science fiction work when they say that upper level auditing is about space aliens" answer. I've heard several people give that same exact answer. It's contrived so as not to have to answer the question but, the "no-answer" is still a lie. She and the others know darn well that people are not confusing Hubbard's fiction and non-fiction.
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So, let me see if I've got this straight.
On OT III Ron teaches that people living on other planets in outer space are killed and brought to Earth.
But Ron never said anything about dead space aliens.
Sure. I can see the difference.
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So, let me see if I've got this straight.
On OT III Ron teaches that people living on other planets in outer space are killed and brought to Earth.
But Ron never said anything about dead space aliens.
Sure. I can see the difference.
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yayyyy! I wish I had a photo of someone on my wall, to stand up and look at while I am clapping. LOL.
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I think she would say: "Let me see your palm," as she took the tv host's hand and pulled it close to her. Then she would peer deeply at the palm a few moments before saying: "I see a man coming to your house. He is wearing something on his head. A hat? No, wait--it's a camera."
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Killed? Dead? I don't remember that part of the teaching. Did Ron actually say "killed"? Just askin'...
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So, let me see if I've got this straight.
On OT III Ron teaches that people living on other planets in outer space are killed and brought to Earth.
But Ron never said anything about dead space aliens.
Sure. I can see the difference.
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So, let me see if I've got this straight.
On OT III Ron teaches that people living on other planets in outer space are killed and brought to Earth.
But Ron never said anything about dead space aliens.
Sure. I can see the difference.
L. Ron Hubbard, on "inventing facts," from an April 1955 'HCOB':
"A datum is an invention which has become agreed upon and solidified... When it is thoroughly agreed upon it becomes, then, a truth.
"The word 'lie' is simply 'an invention with a bad connotation'... Thus society frowns upon the invention of facts."
Another notable quote, this from the cocaine-inspired loose-lipped 'PDC' lectures, "It's a trap not being able to prevaricate."
And then there's the old reliable, 'TR-L', the Training Routine for Lying.
And, of course, there's the first half of the Fair Game Law, "Trick and lie to."
These things are as much a part of subject as the "auditing comm cycle," "ARC," and discharging tension by finding "earlier similars" (wording is Korzybski's), and these ingredients, along with others, combine - per the founder's design - to making Scientology.
In Scientology, lying is only supposed to flow downward, with Hubbard, and his senior representatives - inside or outside the CofS - free to lie to other Scientologists, while Scientologists are expected to open their minds completely to inspection by those above them.
It shouldn't be surprising that a 'Good Scientologist' is willing to lie to those he sees as below him: the "SPs," "DBs," "Homo Saps," and "Wogs," and also less "aware" fellow Scientologists.
It's quite a system: an "applied philosophy" that make liars out of good people - lying to others, and also lying to themselves.
And when the process is complete, sadly, there's usually no way to explain it to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRKvpZ7PjE
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I have to say that in all my years as a scio, auditor & solo auditor, I never thought in those terms either.
I had never heard anyone else refer to it in such terms either.
Actually, I was first introduced to the replacement label of "dead space aliens" here on esmb.
I think it was Tilman Hausherr who coined the term "space cooties" which inspired some raging SP to create a flier with the title "Are You Full of Dead Space Aliens?" to add to the already existing Xenu flier and this got spread around because they were public domain documents and the press and media caught on. I can understand Scientologists not assigning any of this emphasis on their infestation of conscious beings and them just getting on with the job of setting them free.
"Dead Space Aliens" is true but all the emphasis on it was the work of SPs and especially one in particular (whose identity I have long forgotten).
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I believe you may be right about Tilman re cooties however, i believe this is the source for "dead space aliens"
" Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts ". USDJ Judge Leonie Brinkema from RTC vs LERMA
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Yeah a couple years ago you and I were part of a brief discussion on another thread about whether the outer space folks (see, I didn't call them aliens! LOL) were transported with or without bodies. What was in the mysterious boxes that the space folks on the old front cover of Evolution of A Science were carrying?
Multiple choice...was it:
a) thetans-in-a-box?
b) live alien bodies with thetans in them (in a box)?
c) dead alien bodies with thetans in them (in a box)
b) live alien bodies with thetans in them (in a box)?
c) dead alien bodies with thetans in them (in a box)
Some folks thought that it was their physical bodies being transported. If so, they were some super small people! LOL. (see the size of their friends who were carrying the boxes).
In any case, when they were blown up in volcanos and collected together, they woulda been dead, dead, dead "space people".
HolyHell, that story is stupid!
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