Marty's Blog: The Gush of the Sycophants

[bts2free]

They are still "Ronbots" and in Hubbards world discussion is a no go. He always is right he allways was right and will allways be right forever - this is Keeping Scientology Working and stopping people from thinking and questioning freely - it's perfect mind control.

Best
Markus

Yes, this is correct. By going to Marty's blog and reading the postings and comments, you really get an inside look at what Scientologists believe, how they think and how they speak to each other. A lot of things that we have posted about before in relation to the amount of brainwashing and mind control involved in Scientology becomes very apparent and obvious by just going over there for a while and reading the comments. In a way, I'm happy it's there. I'd rather it be out in the open like that.

Plus, in the grand scheme of things, Scientology is still a tiny blip on the radar in the real world. It's over. The Independent "Movement" might get a few more members. Their "raw meat" are people who are leaving the CoS. I highly doubt they'll get many people in the real world to join up. Every single person I meet who has heard of Scientology knows how fucked up it is to greater or lesser degree and wouldn't go near it. And there's still a lot of people who have never even heard about it. It's over.

 

[Panda Termint]

Well, Zinj, John (bts2free) has a level of credibility that some can only envy.

 

[Alanzo]

Well, Zinj, John (bts2free) has a level of credibility that some can only envy.

Yeah.

Marty only lets through the posts of people who have a high degree of credibility.

 

[Vinaire]

Could be worst: imagine if we had our attention stuck on people who have their attention stuck on Marty.

I can see some people's attention being stuck on the charming armadillo.

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[Mick Wenlock]

Could be worst: imagine if we had our attention stuck on people who have their attention stuck on Marty.

 

[Vinaire]

Marty's Blog is our Div 6.

I'm just holding wide open the gates at the entrance of the ESMB Bridge to Total Status.

I know... you are exploiting people whose attention is stuck on Marty; just like Scientology exploits people whose attention is stuck on their unwanted conditions.

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[Panda Termint]

Yeah.

Marty only lets through the posts of people who have a high degree of credibility.

Nah, I'd say he's careful not to compromise his own credibility by nixing posts from the likes of John, Jeff or Marc. These guys have established real credibility outside of Martworld and to nix them would damage his own cred. Sycophants, on the other hand, get a free pass any day of the week.

Or, were you thinking along other lines?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

By going to Marty's blog and reading the postings and comments, you really get an inside look at what Scientologists believe, how they think and how they speak to each other. A lot of things that we have posted about before in relation to the amount of brainwashing and mind control involved in Scientology becomes very apparent and obvious by just going over there for a while and reading the comments.

Wow, bts2free........what you wrote is such a blowdown that I'd like to acknowledge your postulate to flow power to my dynamics in a pro-survival safe environment where theta beings can duplicate source in alignment with going up the bridge which totally indicates to me the in-ethics intention that was mocked up because we all perceive the reality of being interior to the mest trap for eons where psychs implanted thetans and made them pts which made them BI's after it alter-ised their havingness so they cannot reach for their eternity! This post is Okay. ARC & ML, HelluvaHoax!

(I reserve the right to edit this paragraph above when I figure out where to insert the obligatory word "mudball".

 

[Carmel]

Yeah! Why do some people have their attention stuck on Marty?

Is it lack of other entertainment?

Maybe it has something to do with corn fields.

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In relation to this comment and in relation to other comments about why we would talk about Marty...........

Some perceive Marty differently than you do, and don't consider him as an ally. Can you not grant that?

Personally, I have more reason to talk about Marty, than I do to talk about LRH or DM. LRH is gone.....While his destructive advices and policies live on, he is not around forwarding them. DM is what he is, but most here have some degree of awareness about what he is and what he's doing. Marty on the other hand, is considered to be 'friend not foe', and is active today, as we speak.

Sure, that's maybe not where some of you sit in relation to Marty, but for those of us who are of that mind, why on earth would we who are choosing to expose the crimes and abuses just sit back and ignore someone who we consider is actively misrepresenting, conning, and forwarding that which will only perpetuate those crimes and abuses.

I don't talk about LRH much, coz he's gone. I hardly ever talk about DM, because most are in agreement that he needs to be stopped. If and when Marty stopped doing what he is doing, then I'd probably stop talking about him too, but while he is still actively conning people and people are being sucked in by him, then I won't.

I don't care if Marty is a nice guy or an asshole. Marty the man is not my concern. What he is doing though, very much *is* my concern. Given that I care about individuals who have been harmed by the scam aspect of Scientology, and that I have been active in helping people see it and be free of it (as *so* many here have been), then why would I *not* be loud about someone who I believed was the third and current messiah here to save and protect the scam?

Some don't view Marty that way, but some of us do, and that's where we are coming from. If he had zero effectiveness, then we probably wouldn't give a damn, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When people stop getting sucked in by him, I'll stop talking about him and what he's doing. I think the same would go for others too.

 

[KnightVision]

In relation to this comment and in relation to other comments about why we would talk about Marty...........

Some perceive Marty differently than you do, and don't consider him as an ally. Can you not grant that?

Personally, I have more reason to talk about Marty, than I do to talk about LRH or DM. LRH is gone.....While his destructive advices and policies live on, he is not around forwarding them. DM is what he is, but most here have some degree of awareness about what he is and what he's doing. Marty on the other hand, is considered to be 'friend not foe', and is active today, as we speak.

Sure, that's maybe not where some of you sit in relation to Marty, but for those of us who are of that mind, why on earth would we who are choosing to expose the crimes and abuses just sit back and ignore someone who we consider is actively misrepresenting, conning, and forwarding that which will only perpetuate those crimes and abuses.

I don't talk about LRH much, coz he's gone. I hardly ever talk about DM, because most are in agreement that he needs to be stopped. If and when Marty stopped doing what he is doing, then I'd probably stop talking about him too, but while he is still actively conning people and people are being sucked in by him, then I won't.

I don't care if Marty is a nice guy or an asshole. Marty the man is not my concern. What he is doing though, very much *is* my concern. Given that I care about individuals who have been harmed by the scam aspect of Scientology, and that I have been active in helping people see it and be free of it (as *so* many here have been), then why would I *not* be loud about someone who I believed was the third and current messiah here to save and protect the scam?

Some don't view Marty that way, but some of us do, and that's where we are coming from. If he had zero effectiveness, then we probably wouldn't give a damn, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When people stop getting sucked in by him, I'll stop talking about him and what he's doing. I think the same would go for others too.

Cross post from another thread.

Ok, yes----I post occassionally on Marty's board. Some of you may wonder: Why?
Well, there's a little thing in the OSA manual called their bible, "The Art of War".
In it Sun Tzu says a few key things that OSA uses, all the time:
1) Master Sun
"Cause division amongst them" (page 54)
2) Cao Cao
"Send interlopers to cause rifts amongst them"
3) Meng Shi
"Strike at their gaps, attack when they are lax, don't let the enemy figure out how to prepare.This is why it is said in military operations that formlessness is the most effective. One of the great warrior-leaders said, "The most efficient of movements is the one that is unexpected; the best of plans is the one that is unknown".

Which is why I believe Anonymous has been so very successful. Also, once I noticed there was this huge
division amongst Critics, Marty and Anonymous, I looked at who that supported, and decided to try being in more communication, not less.

Does that mean we all need to agree? Hell no, and no, we won't either. However, can we all just agree to disagree, and keep our attentions focused on key issues we all agree on, such as the abuses of C of $? Imnsho--to me that's our best and most effective mode of operation. Even if you don't agree with this, my suggestion is try to post more FACTS about the organization known as the "church" of Scientology and their abuses that we all know, but MANY new people do not. People are leaving daily. They don't need to step out into this collision of views between people they thought were going to help them, or at least be supportive of them.
I speak from experience on this one....and I'm telling you, it's a VERY key time for people. They need you, or anyone they find safe. If it's ESMB or OCMB--fantastic. If it's WWP---also excellent. If that's Marty or Mike--that's great, too. They've helped a bunch of new people wake up and leave, and many speak out, also. Good for them! And on top of that, all (from all 4 groups) have helped educate *tons* of people about these very abuses. Yeah!

They're (new people) out, and that's #1 great. #2 is hopefully they'll feel safe enough to speak out.

For people calling each other criminals, please let me remind you of the 3 goals of the Top Secret OSA Int Internet gang, re the Net:
1) Distract off of any topic having to do with anything they don't want known.

I understand people *want* Marty and Mike to say more. Ok, fair enough. Do you think calling them criminals will motivate them to say more, or less?
Try to think of yourself in a similar position. Which would help you be motivated more?
I know for myself, at first I thought of M & M, and not really knowing them personally, just felt they were separate--as it is a bit of a closed group, or so it seemed. I realized I'd never even tried to communicate with that group---and I did, and it's been
far different than I thought. Then I really looked at my own personal views, and I have always said I am speaking out against the abuses, the Human Rights Violations of
C of $, which they all are against, also. I believe people have a right to believe whatever they want. The information is out there, and some shall look at it, some may never. I ~think~we all can at least agree that the abuses are # 1.


2) Degrade any and ALL activists exposing any thing they (DM and gang) don't want known.

Hello? Perhaps we've all gotten a bit blase' about Davey boy beating people up, but until this either STOPS or serious Justice occurs, it hasn't been said enough, imnsho. **Tons** of people have zero clue about this, so every TV show done is good for all of us.
(and unless you've done TV shows, my view is don't start calling others names or ragging on them for not doing enough). Try to keep in mind: We all unravel at different speeds.

3) Slime any public area, so people literally are embarrassed to even post there.

The above was told to me a few weeks before I quit that group, forever.

I hope that helps. While "in" C of $, at the next to the top, I found exclusion rampant, and it sucked.

I'm interested in inclusion, and connections.
I believe we all have things
we can share and it's important we respect each other,
and help each other. God knows we all have been through enough! May we have more of this: >>>not this:

My love to you all.

Tory/Magoo

 

[Panda Termint]

Stop with the spamming already! We get it, you like what Tory said, so do I. You're misusing it by plastering it on multiple threads.

 

[KnightVision]

Stop with the spamming already! We get it, you like what Tory said, so do I. You're misusing it by plastering it on multiple threads.

That's your idea. Fine. My idea is mine and I'll pursue it as I see fit.

 

[Vinaire]

In relation to this comment and in relation to other comments about why we would talk about Marty...........

Some perceive Marty differently than you do, and don't consider him as an ally. Can you not grant that?

Personally, I have more reason to talk about Marty, than I do to talk about LRH or DM. LRH is gone.....While his destructive advices and policies live on, he is not around forwarding them. DM is what he is, but most here have some degree of awareness about what he is and what he's doing. Marty on the other hand, is considered to be 'friend not foe', and is active today, as we speak.

Sure, that's maybe not where some of you sit in relation to Marty, but for those of us who are of that mind, why on earth would we who are choosing to expose the crimes and abuses just sit back and ignore someone who we consider is actively misrepresenting, conning, and forwarding that which will only perpetuate those crimes and abuses.

I don't talk about LRH much, coz he's gone. I hardly ever talk about DM, because most are in agreement that he needs to be stopped. If and when Marty stopped doing what he is doing, then I'd probably stop talking about him too, but while he is still actively conning people and people are being sucked in by him, then I won't.

I don't care if Marty is a nice guy or an asshole. Marty the man is not my concern. What he is doing though, very much *is* my concern. Given that I care about individuals who have been harmed by the scam aspect of Scientology, and that I have been active in helping people see it and be free of it (as *so* many here have been), then why would I *not* be loud about someone who I believed was the third and current messiah here to save and protect the scam?

Some don't view Marty that way, but some of us do, and that's where we are coming from. If he had zero effectiveness, then we probably wouldn't give a damn, but that doesn't seem to be the case. When people stop getting sucked in by him, I'll stop talking about him and what he's doing. I think the same would go for others too.

I don't consider Marty an ally. He just doesn't seem to be anything important in the universe I am living in.

There have been many destructive advices and policies in this universe even when you disregard Hubbard.

There have been many Marties in this universe even when you disregard this Marty.

An infinite number of them actually.

I don't intend anybody to stop playing the game they are playing. Please continue.

Maybe I am just amused because I am not being affected by it. Maybe my eyes are closed and I need to wake up.

But I just happen to be more interested in math and philosophy.

Well, Maybe it all is just the way it should be. And I may bemusedly (or callously) comment now and then.

Those conned may remain conned for a while more.



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[Dark Phoenix]

That's your idea. Fine. My idea is mine and I'll pursue it as I see fit.

You so crazy, KV.

 

[KnightVision]

You so crazy, KV.

Thanks for the playfulness, I needed that!

 

[Carmel]

Cross post from another thread.

KV, Tory's post (which you crossed posted), didn't address the point I was making at all.

Maybe you'd do well to look at *why* people are anti Marty, as opposed to just being pissed off that they are and negating their perspective.......Ya might find that their perspective has some validity.

 

[KnightVision]

KV, Tory's post (which you crossed posted), didn't address the point I was making at all.

Maybe you'd do well to look at *why* people are anti Marty, as opposed to just being pissed off that they are and negating their perspective.......Ya might find that their perspective has some validity.

I've looked. I see both sides. I strike a balance.

Those who take a 'ruthlessly attack' approach are far more in bed with the past actions of Rinder than their 'beliefs' lead them to believe.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I've looked. I see both sides. I strike a balance.

Those who take a 'ruthlessly attack' approach are far more in bed with the past actions of Rinder than their 'beliefs' lead them to believe.

And those who want to pretend that Miscavige is the sole problem, have no intention of correcting the problem, their motives are strictly self-servicing. This is not a Black and White matter. Rathbun and Rinder want to take Miscavige down which we all can agree is a good thing and has never been in doubt, but they have no intention of being honest about what Scientology really is. They just want to use Miscavige as a scapegoat for the bigger problem which is Hubbard's con game itself. I can support Rathbun and Rinder as far as taking down Miscavige, but that is as far as it goes.

 

[KnightVision]

I can support Rathbun and Rinder as far as taking down Miscavige, but that is as far as it goes.

If that were the focus and intelligently patient game played by the many...

That would be 'all she wrote'.

People do this simple move every day in a multitude of ways... it's called politics... but they come on this board and try to grandstand their 'purity'.....

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

If that were the focus and intelligently patient game played by the many...

That would be 'all she wrote'.

People do this simple move every day in a multitude of ways... it's called politics... but they come on this board and try to grandstand their 'purity'.....

I don't really see the need for starting a thread about Rinder and Rathbun anytime a thought pops into someone's mind, but I'm not going to play along with their game of 'Hubbard Good / Miscavige Bad', either.