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Medical malpractice in the Church of Scientology
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thetanic
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Her, and there's reasons I don't want to say, because it would reveal too much about where I was in Scn. She's not in your area, though.
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I do know of a few Sea Org staff who had cancer, who the Church did pay for the entire range of chemotherapy and surgery, and end of life pain medications, etc., when the treatments didn't "work".
But also, I know of a few who wanted and would have preferred some "alternative therapy" approach, instead of the traditional "cut & attack" approach of western medicine, but the C of S, in cahoots with the LA doctor Scio bitch, Megan Shields, pushed them down "traditional" lines, and would not PAY A PENNY for the alternative treatment that the Sea Org member actually wanted, and felt might help them.
I remember one of them hiding in bathrooms at Flag, quietly and covertly using the Hulda Clark "zapper", and getting KR'ed and reported to "ethics" for using Clarke's "squirrel tech". Can you imagaine? A person with a deadly disease like cancer, above all else needs COMPASSION and SUPPORT. If a person wants to try Hulda Clark's zapper, so let them, and support them. But not in the crazy C of S. Instead, this person was already intensely stressed out from the mental tension of "I have cancer", and gets attacked by the very people who SHOULD be assisting and supportive. Imagine having to play "hide & seek" with fellow Sea Org staff who would turn you in for using a "treatment that you believed might help you"? It IS a bat-shit crazy environment!
The C of S would only support pro-AMA approved treatments. Despite the true and honest wishes of long time Sea Org members!
But, in my experience, the Church has paid for actual traditional cancer treatments for Sea Org staff. And, not only for "senior executives", but even for staff who were much lower on the org board.
I am adding this simply for the sake of "truth". Some seem to have implied that the Church just lets everyone die of cancer. THAT was not observed by me as true, not at all. But, the whole thing WAS nutty, just like pretty much everything else in the Church of Scientology!
THis was awhile back, so who knows, things may have changed. And I suppose, each case may be quite different from the next.
But also, I know of a few who wanted and would have preferred some "alternative therapy" approach, instead of the traditional "cut & attack" approach of western medicine, but the C of S, in cahoots with the LA doctor Scio bitch, Megan Shields, pushed them down "traditional" lines, and would not PAY A PENNY for the alternative treatment that the Sea Org member actually wanted, and felt might help them.
I remember one of them hiding in bathrooms at Flag, quietly and covertly using the Hulda Clark "zapper", and getting KR'ed and reported to "ethics" for using Clarke's "squirrel tech". Can you imagaine? A person with a deadly disease like cancer, above all else needs COMPASSION and SUPPORT. If a person wants to try Hulda Clark's zapper, so let them, and support them. But not in the crazy C of S. Instead, this person was already intensely stressed out from the mental tension of "I have cancer", and gets attacked by the very people who SHOULD be assisting and supportive. Imagine having to play "hide & seek" with fellow Sea Org staff who would turn you in for using a "treatment that you believed might help you"? It IS a bat-shit crazy environment!
The C of S would only support pro-AMA approved treatments. Despite the true and honest wishes of long time Sea Org members!
But, in my experience, the Church has paid for actual traditional cancer treatments for Sea Org staff. And, not only for "senior executives", but even for staff who were much lower on the org board.
I am adding this simply for the sake of "truth". Some seem to have implied that the Church just lets everyone die of cancer. THAT was not observed by me as true, not at all. But, the whole thing WAS nutty, just like pretty much everything else in the Church of Scientology!
THis was awhile back, so who knows, things may have changed. And I suppose, each case may be quite different from the next.
Markus
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Well ok - do you have some names to "proof" your observations. And when were this "traditional cancer treatments" started? Very early after the diagnosis or much to late because they believed much to long in miracles from Auditing?
And this is very interesting for me:
"But also, I know of a few who wanted and would have preferred some "alternative therapy" approach, instead of the traditional "cut & attack" approach of western medicine, but the C of S, in cahoots with the LA doctor Scio bitch, Megan Shields, pushed them down "traditional" lines, and would not PAY A PENNY for the alternative treatment that the Sea Org member actually wanted, and felt might help them."
When exactly did this happen?
And by the way I have nothing against trying "alternative therapies" I'm no fighter for "traditional western medicine" if there is something like that.
For me there is no one truth in this matter about medicine, but everybody should be free to choose his or her way to fight against the illness. But I see many benefits from modern medicine not only bad results. And there are many very good MDs over here in Germany using both - the "traditional western medicine" AND "alternative therapies" and there are many very bad MDs too usind only the one or the other extreme.
"in cahoots with the LA doctor Scio bitch, Megan Shields," .....so you knew her personally? May you tell me more please? If it doesn't fit here just send me a PM please.
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From Bea Kiddo - Sea Org medical........
SEA ORG MEDICAL
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There is a lot to say on the subject of staff welfare. I have a number of stories about staff medical care that are just off the top of my head. I have many, many more, so I decided to start a thread on it, so I can have a place to note them all.
Some of them are in my story. But it deserves its own thread.
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As a child, being raised in the Sea Org, I was fortunately in good health and did not need much in the way of health care. At the age of 7 I needed stitches and was brought to Shaw Health Center (Scn doctor clinic in LA) and given care. I dont know if the org or my mother had to pay for it.
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When I was 14 I fractured a bone in my foot. I was taken to the Childrens Hospital, which was just up the street from PAC Base. I know that this visit was not paid for. My mother got me a Social Security Card at the time and somehow, through government insurance of some sort, this was paid for. (I was young and did not follow up exactly).
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As I was in the SO, and dealt a lot with staff welfare and care, I ran into a lot of things about this. Now, some critic (a critic of me, such as a member of the cult) could say that this was my resonsibility to handle the staff welfare, so really this is about myself and my neglect of the staff. But really. Lets confront this here. Its the system. The way it is set up.
Does the staff have medical insurance? And dental insurance? 401K? Vision?
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As the SSO, I was given, on average, $200.00 per week to care for the staff. That is 200 staff. So one dollar per week, per staff member.
I tried to get little thises and thats paid for, but it was rather difficult. Mind you, the CO did try to help where possible. If there was a real medical problem with a staff member, he would do all he could to help financially to make sure that they were cared for. But that was only when things really got bad. Preventative was totally missing, except for the vitamins that I would purchase every week.
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There are a couple of medical stories to be told here:
There was a security guard who was ill for 3 days with a headache. He could not work. I went to see him (nobody bothered to even tell me he was out ill until the third day) and saw a VERY PALE and weak person. He said his head was killing him. I decided to send him to the doctors. I brought him to Shaw and dropped him off. By the time I got back to CCI, I already had an urgent call from Dr Shields. She told me I had to RUSH him to a hospital and get him a blood transfusion immediately or he would die. He had already lost 3 pints of blood. (He did not tell me this when I saw him). Even though there are hospitals ALL AROUND the PAC Base, did I go to any of them? No. We went all the way out to County Hospital, in Sylmar, which is about 20 - 25 minute drive. He did make it, thank goodness. The reason we did that was to save on cost. County hospital can be free if you know how to work the system. At least back then it was. They changed it for a small fee since then.
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Another person I knew, who was on the RPF, but still, he is a SOLO NOTs C/S, and so for that, should be considered valuable to the church. He was having heart problems and long story short, he needed a pacemaker. It was all done by interns at the downtown LA hospital. For cost reasons.
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Maybe some lives could have been saved, if medical insurance existed, and people were not made wrong and made to feel they had case on post if they have a medical condition. I know there are friends and family of Natalie Ellis (may she rest in peace) read here, but I feel obligated to mention this:
In these cases of cancer showing up when they are too far advanced to do anything about them..... could they have been prevented had insurance been available and they could get checked out early enough that it could save their lives? Off hand, I could list a lot of people who lost their lives to cancer. Could they have been prevented by proper medical checkups, which do not exist in the SO?
To you, those who did not survive cancer (I love you all):
Jill Graham
Allen Hubbert
John Mustard
Natalie Ellis
Erik Knauerhase
Beth Yamaguchi
Carol Monroe
David Russouw
And Felicia Balentine, who passed away from complications from the flu.
May you all rest in peace.
(More stories to come. And please, add your own)
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=42310
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SEA ORG MEDICAL
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There is a lot to say on the subject of staff welfare. I have a number of stories about staff medical care that are just off the top of my head. I have many, many more, so I decided to start a thread on it, so I can have a place to note them all.
Some of them are in my story. But it deserves its own thread.
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As a child, being raised in the Sea Org, I was fortunately in good health and did not need much in the way of health care. At the age of 7 I needed stitches and was brought to Shaw Health Center (Scn doctor clinic in LA) and given care. I dont know if the org or my mother had to pay for it.
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When I was 14 I fractured a bone in my foot. I was taken to the Childrens Hospital, which was just up the street from PAC Base. I know that this visit was not paid for. My mother got me a Social Security Card at the time and somehow, through government insurance of some sort, this was paid for. (I was young and did not follow up exactly).
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As I was in the SO, and dealt a lot with staff welfare and care, I ran into a lot of things about this. Now, some critic (a critic of me, such as a member of the cult) could say that this was my resonsibility to handle the staff welfare, so really this is about myself and my neglect of the staff. But really. Lets confront this here. Its the system. The way it is set up.
Does the staff have medical insurance? And dental insurance? 401K? Vision?
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As the SSO, I was given, on average, $200.00 per week to care for the staff. That is 200 staff. So one dollar per week, per staff member.
I tried to get little thises and thats paid for, but it was rather difficult. Mind you, the CO did try to help where possible. If there was a real medical problem with a staff member, he would do all he could to help financially to make sure that they were cared for. But that was only when things really got bad. Preventative was totally missing, except for the vitamins that I would purchase every week.
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There are a couple of medical stories to be told here:
There was a security guard who was ill for 3 days with a headache. He could not work. I went to see him (nobody bothered to even tell me he was out ill until the third day) and saw a VERY PALE and weak person. He said his head was killing him. I decided to send him to the doctors. I brought him to Shaw and dropped him off. By the time I got back to CCI, I already had an urgent call from Dr Shields. She told me I had to RUSH him to a hospital and get him a blood transfusion immediately or he would die. He had already lost 3 pints of blood. (He did not tell me this when I saw him). Even though there are hospitals ALL AROUND the PAC Base, did I go to any of them? No. We went all the way out to County Hospital, in Sylmar, which is about 20 - 25 minute drive. He did make it, thank goodness. The reason we did that was to save on cost. County hospital can be free if you know how to work the system. At least back then it was. They changed it for a small fee since then.
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Another person I knew, who was on the RPF, but still, he is a SOLO NOTs C/S, and so for that, should be considered valuable to the church. He was having heart problems and long story short, he needed a pacemaker. It was all done by interns at the downtown LA hospital. For cost reasons.
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Maybe some lives could have been saved, if medical insurance existed, and people were not made wrong and made to feel they had case on post if they have a medical condition. I know there are friends and family of Natalie Ellis (may she rest in peace) read here, but I feel obligated to mention this:
In these cases of cancer showing up when they are too far advanced to do anything about them..... could they have been prevented had insurance been available and they could get checked out early enough that it could save their lives? Off hand, I could list a lot of people who lost their lives to cancer. Could they have been prevented by proper medical checkups, which do not exist in the SO?
To you, those who did not survive cancer (I love you all):
Jill Graham
Allen Hubbert
John Mustard
Natalie Ellis
Erik Knauerhase
Beth Yamaguchi
Carol Monroe
David Russouw
And Felicia Balentine, who passed away from complications from the flu.
May you all rest in peace.
(More stories to come. And please, add your own)
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=42310
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It really sucks.......
It really sucks how caring for the staff is such low priority in the Sea Org. - a post by Ozzie
"Early days of Flag on the ship and at the base in Clearwater, getting really needed medical care was done, even some dental, but there were conditions. (ie post how valuable etc etc you were, whether you were about to die or not etc ).
Later on - 82 on I'd say it was terrible - couldn't get anything. When pregnant most of us at Flag in Clearwater when we first got there were put onto the welfare system. That was how all that was paid for. Dental was hard to get but if you had a management post or an executive post you got it - albeit sometimes late. And then again it depended on how bad the situation was.
I had a very bad strep infection - was taken to emergency - was on welfare so that was paid by that, but they wouldn't get the medication because I was "PTS" and needed that handled - sides drugs were bad bad bad!!! I had a 104 temp for five days - I realized later the Medical Officer and those concerned were lucky I didn't die! I lost 20lbs during that sickness and mind you any PTS handling was never done anyway cause I was needed back on post.
Later in PAC in mid 80s - same thing put on welfare or in my case cause my husband was not SO I got medicaid. SO didn't pay for anything and I was having seizures. They didn't give a toot, I wasn't senior enuf for them to care at that point.
There was also a wonderful lady at ASHO who I had known in my ship days who was dying of cancer and she was having the hardest time getting medication for herself through FP (She was the Purser there)- countless times it would get cut and she would cry and cry and tell me she didn't want to die a painful death. Nobody in the right places cared enuf to get her medication thro.
It really sucks how caring for the staff is such low priority in the Sea Org.
There is I think a consideration (at least in my 17 yrs of being in) that if you have an important post or are an executive - you will get needed care. If you don't too bad - you get put into an "isolation" room and hopefully you get better by youself in amongst the cockroaches and the mattresses on the floor with no sheets - was like that in my time in.
Yep - those were the days!!!
Ozzie "
This is from Beas Thread "SEA ORG MEDICAL"
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=42310
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It really sucks how caring for the staff is such low priority in the Sea Org. - a post by Ozzie
"Early days of Flag on the ship and at the base in Clearwater, getting really needed medical care was done, even some dental, but there were conditions. (ie post how valuable etc etc you were, whether you were about to die or not etc ).
Later on - 82 on I'd say it was terrible - couldn't get anything. When pregnant most of us at Flag in Clearwater when we first got there were put onto the welfare system. That was how all that was paid for. Dental was hard to get but if you had a management post or an executive post you got it - albeit sometimes late. And then again it depended on how bad the situation was.
I had a very bad strep infection - was taken to emergency - was on welfare so that was paid by that, but they wouldn't get the medication because I was "PTS" and needed that handled - sides drugs were bad bad bad!!! I had a 104 temp for five days - I realized later the Medical Officer and those concerned were lucky I didn't die! I lost 20lbs during that sickness and mind you any PTS handling was never done anyway cause I was needed back on post.
Later in PAC in mid 80s - same thing put on welfare or in my case cause my husband was not SO I got medicaid. SO didn't pay for anything and I was having seizures. They didn't give a toot, I wasn't senior enuf for them to care at that point.
There was also a wonderful lady at ASHO who I had known in my ship days who was dying of cancer and she was having the hardest time getting medication for herself through FP (She was the Purser there)- countless times it would get cut and she would cry and cry and tell me she didn't want to die a painful death. Nobody in the right places cared enuf to get her medication thro.
It really sucks how caring for the staff is such low priority in the Sea Org.
There is I think a consideration (at least in my 17 yrs of being in) that if you have an important post or are an executive - you will get needed care. If you don't too bad - you get put into an "isolation" room and hopefully you get better by youself in amongst the cockroaches and the mattresses on the floor with no sheets - was like that in my time in.
Yep - those were the days!!!
Ozzie "
This is from Beas Thread "SEA ORG MEDICAL"
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Thank you for posting your story.It's so sad!I"m sorry to hear this.
But LRH never said,don't take your meds. (Read "The Way to Happiness").
If a person can't use his abilities to handle his sickness,he needs sometimes
medical help.But some people are more able to deal with their bodies as they
become aware of being a spiritual beings,that they don't need any meds anymore.But it have to be their dessisions,not others. You can't lock up person's meds if they think they need them. Only if a person makes a stable dessision that he can control his body and does not need any help from outside,then it's his choice,nobody else's.I never take any drugs (legal or illegal). The only time I took a few times something for pain was for dental purposes,but it was my choice,
But LRH never said,don't take your meds. (Read "The Way to Happiness").
If a person can't use his abilities to handle his sickness,he needs sometimes
medical help.But some people are more able to deal with their bodies as they
become aware of being a spiritual beings,that they don't need any meds anymore.But it have to be their dessisions,not others. You can't lock up person's meds if they think they need them. Only if a person makes a stable dessision that he can control his body and does not need any help from outside,then it's his choice,nobody else's.I never take any drugs (legal or illegal). The only time I took a few times something for pain was for dental purposes,but it was my choice,
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LRH created the Sea Org with all its pressure, crimes and fanatism - this is why he in my opinion is responsible for the crimes and abuses which occur in his "elite" organization. He claimed he could heal Arthritis, cancer, Diabetes and many other severe illnesses through auditing so why should anybody take the medicine of some suppressive Medical Doctors or even from some "insane SP" psychotherapists -in my opinion he is responsible for the very cruel suffering and death of my brother Uwe.
Thank you for your compassion Russian girl.
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Scientology dilettantism........
"Tonight a newbie showed up and posted a Scientology video basically saying that we don't exist- that the diagnosis is a lie and that we should just straighten up. That went over poorly as that is an accusation that most of us have lived with for many painful years while we tried to overcome being hyperactive, socially inept, inattentive no matter how hard we tried not to be, easily distracted, and impulsive to a point in many cases that it was dangerous."
This is a quote from this thread:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=9706
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"Tonight a newbie showed up and posted a Scientology video basically saying that we don't exist- that the diagnosis is a lie and that we should just straighten up. That went over poorly as that is an accusation that most of us have lived with for many painful years while we tried to overcome being hyperactive, socially inept, inattentive no matter how hard we tried not to be, easily distracted, and impulsive to a point in many cases that it was dangerous."
This is a quote from this thread:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=9706
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"Medical care" in the Sea Org in Australia
This is from: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16780
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Well after watching A Current Affair last night and hearing the Scientology spokes women say that the health expenses of members are taken care of buy the Church, I thought to myself ooooooo another lie why am I surprised at this.
Here is what I have seen.
My parents were ANZO staff and my father had some issues with skin cancer.
During his time at ANZO he had to have a number of cancers removed, it;s not a big surgical process, costs about $250.00
My parents had to pay for that out of their own money which was about $40 a week and most of the time went for weeks with no pay as the Church could not pay them.
Eventually I was called to help and send some money so my father could get these cancers removed.
My Mom, bless her little soul did not tell us about these cancers so as not to worry so I only heard about it when it was a scene of no money.
My son Shane who is staff at the moment at ANZO had some series teeth problems when he hit his teens and the AO would not do anything to help with this. So my sons mom he is staff at the AO aswell asked if I could transfer custody over to her so my son could get Australian residency so as to get free dental. I do not call that taking care of health issues.
My father in his last 3 years in the Sea Org at ANZO was diagnosed with alzheimers. This diagnosis was not by a specialist as the AO would not pay for this and with the skin cancers there was no money. So my mom did her own research on this and again she hid it from me only so as not to concern me but it came to a point were the condition was getting worse.
Many times it was said to the AO this condition exissted but nothing was done. No medical treatments, visits to specialists or what ever the AO washed their hands of this.
Eventually he was demoted to do garden work as he was no longer fit for other work in the AO. NO TREATMENT STILL.
Until my mom eventually had to leave the AO as my father was unfit for duty and was getting worse.
Now you would imagine this would be easy. No in my moms words. "I went through hell to get out"
This was leaving for medical reasons WTF.
I am actually shaking writing this thread and the tears are swelling up.
WTF
Lets end this with a bang!
My father develops alzheimers and gets demoted, that's it.
This is from: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=16780
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Sick children in Scientology and their mistreatment
"And I was called in to help to audit this little boy because I had a good reputation as an auditor. So, I went there and I found this little boy. He had a hundred and five fever. He was unable to move his head and his neck. . . And I went there with my E-Meter and I had this little boy pick up the cans, he was too weak to hold the cans. So, I-- just didn't do it. I said, "This child is too sick to receive auditing. I think he should go to a doctor." The Medical Officer said, "Well" -- he had a medical book in which he looked up certain things. And he said, "I don't feel that he's in any danger. We'll see how he is tomorrow."
http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/childabuse/sick-child.html
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"And I was called in to help to audit this little boy because I had a good reputation as an auditor. So, I went there and I found this little boy. He had a hundred and five fever. He was unable to move his head and his neck. . . And I went there with my E-Meter and I had this little boy pick up the cans, he was too weak to hold the cans. So, I-- just didn't do it. I said, "This child is too sick to receive auditing. I think he should go to a doctor." The Medical Officer said, "Well" -- he had a medical book in which he looked up certain things. And he said, "I don't feel that he's in any danger. We'll see how he is tomorrow."
http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/childabuse/sick-child.html
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Petey C
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This is a very scary and distressing thread but all the same, thanks Markus for starting it. We are linked as your brother and my old friend both died in the same RPF at about the same time, both ill and vulnerable and shamefully treated.
I totally get that some of you are against the medicalisation of health, and over-doctoring. And yes, some medical doctors don't seem to be on top of things. But please, please, please, y'all, for your own precious sakes, go and see someone reputable if you have weird or bad symptoms (such as Bee Sting's). It may simply be something you can deal with, like poor nutrition. But it may be something else. You owe it to yourselves to at least find out, then make a decision about what you want to do about it.
As an ex-SO who totally bought the "I am at total cause over my body" and the "I am not my body" thing, I have regretted many times the ignorant and careless way I treated my body in the past. Now I'm older, it's catching up on me. You may not be your body, but your body is how you get around in the world, and a major personal asset. Look after it -- the way you'd look after any other major asset you have.
Go doctor shopping. Ask your friends if they trust their doc and if they do, get their names. Go visit them and find out what their views are. But GO, specially if you have had some sort of health crisis. It's all about PREVENTION and EARLY DETECTION. You owe it to yourself.
Think about is as pursuing or maintaining wellness, not curing illness.
Yes, I currently work in the health field though am not a doctor or nurse or other health professional. I'm not 100% pro-doctor but am also not anti-doctor, medicine or drugs; sometimes they are the lesser of two evils.
I realise I've gone against the theme of the thread, which is about medical malpractice in Scn. But the underlying assumption seems to be that in most cases, early medical intervention would have prevented illness, a horrible disease or early death. So please please take heed and don't mess with your health.
Shame on you, Scientology, for not looking after your own.
Petey
I totally get that some of you are against the medicalisation of health, and over-doctoring. And yes, some medical doctors don't seem to be on top of things. But please, please, please, y'all, for your own precious sakes, go and see someone reputable if you have weird or bad symptoms (such as Bee Sting's). It may simply be something you can deal with, like poor nutrition. But it may be something else. You owe it to yourselves to at least find out, then make a decision about what you want to do about it.
As an ex-SO who totally bought the "I am at total cause over my body" and the "I am not my body" thing, I have regretted many times the ignorant and careless way I treated my body in the past. Now I'm older, it's catching up on me. You may not be your body, but your body is how you get around in the world, and a major personal asset. Look after it -- the way you'd look after any other major asset you have.
Go doctor shopping. Ask your friends if they trust their doc and if they do, get their names. Go visit them and find out what their views are. But GO, specially if you have had some sort of health crisis. It's all about PREVENTION and EARLY DETECTION. You owe it to yourself.
Think about is as pursuing or maintaining wellness, not curing illness.
Yes, I currently work in the health field though am not a doctor or nurse or other health professional. I'm not 100% pro-doctor but am also not anti-doctor, medicine or drugs; sometimes they are the lesser of two evils.
I realise I've gone against the theme of the thread, which is about medical malpractice in Scn. But the underlying assumption seems to be that in most cases, early medical intervention would have prevented illness, a horrible disease or early death. So please please take heed and don't mess with your health.
Shame on you, Scientology, for not looking after your own.
Petey
Markus
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May you please PM me about your friend Petey C
Hello Petey,
thank you for your understanding and your compassion. Who was your friend in the PAC RPF? May you please PM me and give me more information about his or her death.
Best wishes
Markus
Hello Petey,
thank you for your understanding and your compassion. Who was your friend in the PAC RPF? May you please PM me and give me more information about his or her death.
Best wishes
Markus
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"Scientology may deny our humanity, seize are souls and imprison our bodies but they don't own our hearts. They belong to us and you have mine. My best wishes for what you have set out to do and I hope you will find the answers they unjustly keep from you"
Oh Bee I miss you here on this message board
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You to judge!
In my 80-ties; I was made to come down to the Church of Scientology, even though I didn't feel good; I had headache.
I arrived to the Church of Scientology. I got worse and I was sent to
an auditing room to rest and to sleep.
I was given C-vitamins and B-complex and water to drink.
I was ordered to take that every 2 hours.
I never got anything to help to take off my headache.
I had the flue.
I couldn't make it home that night; I was too sick.
I was totally abandoned in the auditing room.
Nobody showed up until next day towards noon.
I had such a headache I cried for help and kicked the walls, but nobody
came.
It was horrible to there alone with such a headache and with such high fever.
I should never have been forced to come down to the org.
I wish they had let me stay in my own bed at home.
That trip to the org made me feel much worse.
P.S. I wish I knew how to post a copy of the note I got that time.
In my 80-ties; I was made to come down to the Church of Scientology, even though I didn't feel good; I had headache.
I arrived to the Church of Scientology. I got worse and I was sent to
an auditing room to rest and to sleep.
I was given C-vitamins and B-complex and water to drink.
I was ordered to take that every 2 hours.
I never got anything to help to take off my headache.
I had the flue.
I couldn't make it home that night; I was too sick.
I was totally abandoned in the auditing room.
Nobody showed up until next day towards noon.
I had such a headache I cried for help and kicked the walls, but nobody
came.
It was horrible to there alone with such a headache and with such high fever.
I should never have been forced to come down to the org.
I wish they had let me stay in my own bed at home.
That trip to the org made me feel much worse.
P.S. I wish I knew how to post a copy of the note I got that time.
freethinker
Sponsor
They banned it because it was cheap, natural, effective, unpatentable and unprofitable.
Markus
Silver Meritorious Patron
This sounds horrible :-(
I think you need a scanner and then you can post the copy of this note here.
Or maybe you have a fried who has a scanner which could help you with this.
Thank you for posting.
Best
Markus
I think you need a scanner and then you can post the copy of this note here.
Or maybe you have a fried who has a scanner which could help you with this.
Thank you for posting.
Best
Markus
