Meeting of all hoods, gangs and Nation of Islam at Scientology Community Center in LA

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Meeting of all hoods, gangs and Nation of Islam at Scientology Community Cente

It's commendable that any gang member would sign a pledge to non-violence and respect. That's awesome. What remains to be seen is how many gang members will sign it. Also what is your take on why/how this is so significant or important?

Would need more info re: how many will sign and, even IF signed, follow the pledge, and how will that translate to an improvement in gang crime statistics? That remains to be seen.

I'll be honest, I am not evaluating the significance in terms of the effect on gang violence.

I am evaluating the significance only in terms of the effect on the Church of Scientology's reputation generally, its reputation in and alliances with the Black and Hispanic communities, and its reputation with and alliances with the LAPD and government of the City of Los Angeles.

If you look at the Bloods - Crips 2016 Peace Treaty and Ceasefire Agreement, four out of the seven sponsoring organizations are (if you include the Nation of Islam, and I do) associated with the Church of Scientology. That is significant.

Also significant is the fact that no other religious groups (e.g., Christian, mainstream Muslim, etc.) appear as sponsors, nor do any old-school civil rights or gang intervention organizations. The Church of Scientology, operating through the Nation of Islam, has clearly gained influence with the Justice or Else!, H.U.N.T. and Cease Fire organizations -- influence that others don't have in Los Angeles.

Los Angeles City Police Chief Charlie Beck appeared at the meeting at the Church of Scientology Community Center. That is significant.

The positive media coverage is significant.

If there are any perceived reductions in gang violence, that will rebound to the benefit of the Church of Scientology.

If there are no perceived reductions in gang violence, that will not adversely effect the reputation of the Church of Scientology. The Church of Scientology will still get credit for making the effort.

If nothing else, the Church of Scientology's efforts in this area help establish the Church of Scientology Community Center as a real, legitimate community center that is actually trying to help the community. That is significant.

 

[WildKat]

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Thank you, I agree with most of what you said but still see the effort as largely symbolic and "feel-good". Not a bad thing, but how effective in the long run. Also, would love to know why Snoop Dogg failed to show. Wasn't he one of the sponsors?

 

[DagwoodGum]

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There's nothing wrong with groups who seem to have little in common coming together to talk about peace. Seems harmless. Gives brownie points to all. And no doubt DM will stand up at the next meeting and try to give all the credit to the glorious Tek for defusing a volatile situation....whether the cult had anything to do with it other than providing the venue.

Jim Brown tried to get basically the same idea in motion back in 1992, how quickly people forget.
Not much ever developed after the initial lip service.
None the less, I don't get the warm fuzzies when I read that someone like Miscavidge is trying to unify the forces of evil.
What's his angle, does he not always have one?
United we stand and divided we fall is the basic precept behind all other tribal unification's and has been the common thread behind other "un-holy" alliances in North Africa and the Middle East throughout history.
I'm waiting to see what Jim Brown makes of his ideas being hijacked by one such as Miscavidge.
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-21/news/mn-325_1_gang-truce

 

[Churchill]

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I'll be honest, I am not evaluating the significance in terms of the effect on gang violence.

I am evaluating the significance only in terms of the effect on the Church of Scientology's reputation generally, its reputation in and alliances with the Black and Hispanic communities, and its reputation with and alliances with the LAPD and government of the City of Los Angeles.

If you look at the Bloods - Crips 2016 Peace Treaty and Ceasefire Agreement, four out of the seven sponsoring organizations are (if you include the Nation of Islam, and I do) associated with the Church of Scientology. That is significant.

Also significant is the fact that no other religious groups (e.g., Christian, mainstream Muslim, etc.) appear as sponsors, nor do any old-school civil rights or gang intervention organizations. The Church of Scientology, operating through the Nation of Islam, has clearly gained influence with the Justice or Else!, H.U.N.T. and Cease Fire organizations -- influence that others don't have in Los Angeles.

Los Angeles City Police Chief Charlie Beck appeared at the meeting at the Church of Scientology Community Center. That is significant.

The positive media coverage is significant.

If there are any perceived reductions in gang violence, that will rebound to the benefit of the Church of Scientology.

If there are no perceived reductions in gang violence, that will not adversely effect the reputation of the Church of Scientology. The Church of Scientology will still get credit for making the effort.

If nothing else, the Church of Scientology's efforts in this area help establish the Church of Scientology Community Center as a real, legitimate community center that is actually trying to help the community. That is significant.

I wonder if the media will cover the fact that Gavin Long, the murderer of 3 Police Officers in Baton Rouge earlier today, was a member of the Nation of Islam?

 

[CommunicatorIC]

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Jim Brown tried to get basically the same idea in motion back in 1992, how quickly people forget.
Not much ever developed after the initial lip service.
None the less, I don't get the warm fuzzies when I read that someone like Miscavidge is trying to unity the forces of evil.
What's his angle, does he not always have one?
United we stand and divided we fall is the basic precept behind other tribal unification's and has been the common thread behind other "un-holy" alliances in North Africa and the Middle East throughout history.
I'm waiting to see what Jim Brown makes of his ideas being hijacked by one such as Miscavidge.
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-21/news/mn-325_1_gang-truce

People like Snoop Dog, The Game and before them Jim Brown do not necessarily see all of the members of gangs and sets as "evil." People like Snoop Dogg, The Game and before them Jim Brown see members of gangs as people who are currently doing bad things (to put it mildly), and they want them to stop, to change their behavior, to reform

To the extent the Church of Scientology is perceived by people Snoop Dogg, The Game and before them Jim Brown as agreeing with them, and wanting to help with the reform agenda, the Church of Scientology has the advantage with that public, with that community.

To the extent that you are understood as seeing all of the members of gangs as being "evil," and apparently irremediably and irreformably so, you will be at a disadvantage and, quite frankly, understood to be an enemy of the community.

As for what Miscagive gets out of that, I explained that above and I'm not going to repeat myself at length. In summary, playing the long game, positive PR, a strengthened relationship with the Black and Hispanic communities, a relationship with rap community such as Snoop Dogg and The Game (don't underestimate their influence), a strengthened relationship with LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, and thus the LAPD and the government of the City of Los Angeles.

Seriously, that is not enough?

Conversely, does anyone really, seriously think Miscavige is trying to unite the gangs for evil purposes like in the movie Warrior?

[video=youtube;tcc2ltIjNU0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcc2ltIjNU0[/video]

Do you think the above video represents Miscavige's goal?

 

[DagwoodGum]

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=CommunicatorIC;1107345]People like Snoop Dog, The Game and before them Jim Brown do not necessarily see all of the members of gangs and sets as "evil." People like Snoop Dogg, The Game and before them Jim Brown see members of gangs as people who are currently doing bad things (to put it mildly), and they want them to stop, to change their behavior, to reform

To the extent the Church of Scientology is perceived by people Snoop Dogg, The Game and before them Jim Brown as agreeing with them, and wanting to help with the reform agenda, the Church of Scientology has the advantage with that public, with that community.

To the extent that you are understood as seeing all of the members of gangs as being "evil," and apparently irremediably and irreformably so, you will be at a disadvantage and, quite frankly, understood to be an enemy of the community.

As for what Miscagive gets out of that, I explained that above and I'm not going to repeat myself at length. In summary, playing the long game, positive PR, a strengthened relationship with the Black and Hispanic communities, a relationship with rap community such as Snoop Dogg and The Game (don't underestimate their influence), a strengthened relationship with LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, and thus the LAPD and the government of the City of Los Angeles.

Seriously, that is not enough?

Conversely, does anyone really, seriously think Miscavige is trying to unite the gangs for evil purposes like in the movie Warrior? Seriously? I mean, WTF?

I believe that most would concur that murder, dope slinging & selling women into prostitution, a form of slavery, is in fact the very definition of evil and that is the essence of what gang activity is about.
Step out of your L. Ron spun unreality and back through the looking glass into the real world and take a real hard look and risk getting your snow bunny ears in a twist Becky.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVj9BT4xX8YIAljQnnIlQ?p=snow+bunny+youtube+song&fr2=sa-gp-search&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004&fr=yhs-mozilla-004

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

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At first I had such mixed feelings about this - I couldn't bring myself to post - but then 6 hrs later, a bognition! This merely another VM meme theme event - a caper done only for pr value, and filling a few pages in the next IAS mag. They have about as much planned to stop gang violence as they planned to do something effective for the various disasters. ZIP!

Phew - they had me going for a while thinking Scientology was actually going to do something for the community. Thank God I saw the light.

Mimsey

 

[CommunicatorIC]

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The rapper The Game has a new Instagram post up. It is very significant that the Bloods - Crips 2016 Peace Treaty and Ceasefire Agreement dated July 17, 2016 lists as its sponsors the Church of Scientology, The Way to Happiness Foundation and United in Peace Foundation (a front group of the Way to Happiness front group), as well as the Nation of Islam.

Seriously, don't kid yourself about the significance of this or try to minimize it to make yourself feel better. This is important.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BH-403ig-HA/?taken-by=losangelesconfidential&hl=en

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14.4k likes
37m
losangelesconfidential We each have to take the initiative to create change within ourselves before we can ask anyone else to do so..... I am responsible for myself & I offer my hand to anybody from anywhere to shake it...... I LOVE ALL MY BROTHERS & I want you to LIVE homie..... If you feel the same way, reach out & extend your hand to someone & let's alter our futures one person at a time !!!!! I signed it 1st......... The opportunity to save lives is yours too if you want it....... OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE IS AT STAKE #HUNTmovement #LosAngeles #JusticeOrElse #NationOfIslam #CityOfRefuge #UnitedInPeaceFoundation #TheWayToHappiness #Crip #Blood #Ese #CeaseFire #BlackAndBrownPride [TAG SOMEONE IN THIS POST & LET THEM SEE WE ARE TOGETHER & THEIR LIVES MATTER TO US AS WELL]

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The most recent Los Angeles Times article on this notes:

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Meanwhile, men and women gathered inside the church continued to sign a banner declaring a Bloods and Crips peace treaty.

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Above is the Peace Treaty and banner that they signed -- sponsored by the Church of Scientology, The Way to Happiness Foundation and United in Peace Foundation (a front group of the Way to Happiness front group), as well as the Nation of Islam. Overseen by LAPD Police Chief Charlie Beck.

 

[DagwoodGum]

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At first I had such mixed feelings about this - I couldn't bring myself to post - but then 6 hrs later, a bognition! This merely another VM meme theme event - a caper done only for pr value, and filling a few pages in the next IAS mag. They have about as much planned to stop gang violence as they planned to do something effective for the various disasters. ZIP!

Phew - they had me going for a while thinking Scientology was actually going to do something for the community. Thank God I saw the light.

Mimsey

At least when Jim Brown had his, apparently now forgotten, gang summit back in '92 he brought in black luminaries like Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and a host of others that he knew the black community would follow.
Who'd Miscavidge manage to round up? A no-show Snoop Dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huIxnoYy5gk

 

[CommunicatorIC]

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At least when Jim Brown had his, apparently now forgotten, gang summit back in '92 he brought in black luminaries like Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and a host of others that he knew the black community would follow.
Who'd Miscavidge manage to round up? A no-show Snoop Dog.

So far, I've seen confirmed The Game and will i.am.

 

[Dave B.]

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Metal detectors at the door?

 

[Jump]

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Metal detectors at the door?

Won't be needing them with the OTs on duty.

The being knows.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I wonder if the media will cover the fact that Gavin Long, the murderer of 3 Police Officers in Baton Rouge earlier today, was a member of the Nation of Islam?

Had the same thought. But there are videos of Long on YouTube (he was a self-styled personal guru, nutritionist, life-coach, physical trainer, philosopher, political activist & spiritual advisor. But, he disavowed belonging to all groups and claimed he only followed himself. So, I don't think the media will get much mileage on his former affiliation with the NOI--because at most all they can level against him is that he "...was a former member of the National of Islam".

However, last week (before any of the cop murders in Dallas or Baton Rouge, I kept thinking about that speech where Farrakhan called for "10,000 fearless" angry black men to rise up and murder whitey and/or cops. I was thinking of sending a note over to Tony Ortega to consider sending another "OPEN LETTER TO TOM CRUISE" (part II) which asked him to publicly disavow Farrakhan/NOI hate speech and incitements to murder. After all, NOI is an in-house affiliate, ally and trusted partner in Scientology's quest to save the world.

Readers Note: Tony sent a blisteringly brilliant "OPEN LETTER" to Cruise a couple/few years back, which Cruise was too frightened to respond to. If I recall, he had his attorney answer the charges of why Cruise didn't lift a finger when COB was known to be serially kidnapping and physically assaulting staff. His all-star celebrity lawyer said that Tom was familiar with the allegations but didn't believe it. That's it. That's all he responded. Shocking level of irresponsibility, complicity and facilitation for such a self-proclaimed human rights champion like Cruise.

Farrakhan's video, delivered less than a year ago, is still shocking beyond belief. Perhaps even more disturbing is that Scientology and gov't agencies have not been stirred or shamed into immediate action and repudiation against the hate/terrorist group NOI.

If this was a court room, the prosecutor would need only play this video as self-incriminating evidence of the hate speech and incitement to commit murder. It is a shame that the sociopath Gavin Long doesn't have Facebook or other diary/manifesto memorializations of his literal carrying out the cop murders as compliance to Farrakhan's inspirational rants.


[video=youtube;ImaPsvNBTgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaPsvNBTgY[/video]

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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..

PART II: Gang Peace Treaties by NOI


The Crip/Blood photo-op "Peace Treaty" is nothing new. The National of Islam has staged these PR events many times before. All with no result.

They also use the publicity as a recruitment event into the NOI in order to indoctrinate all those gun-carrying thugs that their mortal enemy is the white man (see speech in previous post where Farrakhan calls for 10,000 fearless criminals to murder white devils)

HERE IS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE ON PREVIOUSLY FAILED "GANG TRUCES" BY NOI, PUBLISHED ON "THE FINAL CALL" (NOI's OWN WEBSITE) - CLICK THIS LINK

snippet from that article:
"Fundamentally the battle is against White Supremacy which holds Blacks and Browns down..."​

 

[WildKat]

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Had the same thought. But there are videos of Long on YouTube (he was a self-styled personal guru, nutritionist, life-coach, physical trainer, philosopher, political activist & spiritual advisor. But, he disavowed belonging to all groups and claimed he only followed himself. So, I don't think the media will get much mileage on his former affiliation with the NOI--because at most all they can level against him is that he "...was a former member of the National of Islam".

However, last week (before any of the cop murders in Dallas or Baton Rouge, I kept thinking about that speech where Farrakhan called for "10,000 fearless" angry black men to rise up and murder whitey and/or cops. I was thinking of sending a note over to Tony Ortega to consider sending another "OPEN LETTER TO TOM CRUISE" (part II) which asked him to publicly disavow Farrakhan/NOI hate speech and incitements to murder. After all, NOI is an in-house affiliate, ally and trusted partner in Scientology's quest to save the world.

Readers Note: Tony sent a blisteringly brilliant "OPEN LETTER" to Cruise a couple/few years back, which Cruise was too frightened to respond to. If I recall, he had his attorney answer the charges of why Cruise didn't lift a finger when COB was known to be serially kidnapping and physically assaulting staff. His all-star celebrity lawyer said that Tom was familiar with the allegations but didn't believe it. That's it. That's all he responded. Shocking level of irresponsibility, complicity and facilitation for such a self-proclaimed human rights champion like Cruise.

Farrakhan's video, delivered less than a year ago, is still shocking beyond belief. Perhaps even more disturbing is that Scientology and gov't agencies have not been stirred or shamed into immediate action and repudiation against the hate/terrorist group NOI.

If this was a court room, the prosecutor would need only play this video as self-incriminating evidence of the hate speech and incitement to commit murder. It is a shame that the sociopath Gavin Long doesn't have Facebook or other diary/manifesto memorializations of his literal carrying out the cop murders as compliance to Farrakhan's inspirational rants.


[video=youtube;ImaPsvNBTgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaPsvNBTgY[/video]

THIS /\ is significant. Thanks for reposting that.

COS aligning itself with such groups, along with gangs and thugs was bizarre beyond belief when I first heard of it. OK, so now they want to reform and now do good works? Great. Or is it lip service with no substance? Let's see how long it lasts. At their core, these groups are racist.

I still think this strange alignment could blow up in DMs face.

 

[Enthetan]

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It's commendable that any gang member would sign a pledge to non-violence and respect. That's awesome. What remains to be seen is how many gang members will sign it. Also what is your take on why/how this is so significant or important?

Would need more info re: how many will sign and, even IF signed, follow the pledge, and how will that translate to an improvement in gang crime statistics? That remains to be seen.

It looks more like they are pledging to reduce violence between fellow gang members.

Whether it also means reducing violence by gang members against the rest of us, remains to be seen.

 

[Enthetan]

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Conversely, does anyone really, seriously think Miscavige is trying to unite the gangs for evil purposes like in the movie Warrior?

Do you think the above video represents Miscavige's goal?

I don't think DM wants to control the gangs. I think he wants to be an agent of influence.

I think he wants the LAPD to think he's a factor in maintaining the peace, and make them desire that he keep doing what he's doing. DM wants to achieve "PRO Area Control" with the city, where the LAPD makes an effort to side with Scn, and crack down on people who annoy DM.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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It looks more like they are pledging to reduce violence between fellow gang members.

Whether it also means reducing violence by gang members against the rest of us, remains to be seen.

Point well taken.

But, I remain skeptical on gangbangers saying they won't be violent again. Their entire livelihood depends on violence. How else are they going to protect their "turf" when rival street-corner dealers set up shop in their territory?

How else are they going to get payment from all the peeps who owe them money?

How else are they going to demand "respect", one of the principle social status currencies in the ghetto.

How are they going to rob, carjack & collect protection money without guns and imminent threat to their victims?

The entire premise of gang thugs cleaning up the hood is ludicrous. That would be like the COS conducting an arbitration with a declared SP to see if their donations should be refunded. And the arbitrators are all KSW Scientologists whose scriptural beliefs & practices mandate that "an SP has no rights" and must be "tricked, lied to" and "destroyed utterly".

It would be a lovely dream to think of the ghettos turning around from the terrorist war zones they have become. But seriously, this is going to be done by illiterate, violent, career criminals who make their money from violence backed rackets?

All those hundreds of "gang truce" efforts have all failed for a simple reason--the people signing those truces are largely illiterate sociopaths and pathological liars.

For anyone thinking that I have extreme views, I invite you to go look at a website called WORLDSTAR.COM which celebrates thug life all across american ghettos.

Or if you really disagree, tonight take a walk through any ghetto in your city and come back tomorrow and tell everyone about it in a post. What's that? You say if you do that you probably won't live to see tomorrow?

Exactly.

 

[DagwoodGum]

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It looks more like they are pledging to reduce violence between fellow gang members.

Whether it also means reducing violence by gang members against the rest of us, remains to be seen.

That's it! The imbecile COB has strengthened the criminal alliance with more loyalty between sects so as to not waste any bullets on one another in order to have more for you , me and the PO-lice. WTF?

 

[Churchill]

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Had the same thought. But there are videos of Long on YouTube (he was a self-styled personal guru, nutritionist, life-coach, physical trainer, philosopher, political activist & spiritual advisor. But, he disavowed belonging to all groups and claimed he only followed himself. So, I don't think the media will get much mileage on his former affiliation with the NOI--because at most all they can level against him is that he "...was a former member of the National of Islam".

However, last week (before any of the cop murders in Dallas or Baton Rouge, I kept thinking about that speech where Farrakhan called for "10,000 fearless" angry black men to rise up and murder whitey and/or cops. I was thinking of sending a note over to Tony Ortega to consider sending another "OPEN LETTER TO TOM CRUISE" (part II) which asked him to publicly disavow Farrakhan/NOI hate speech and incitements to murder. After all, NOI is an in-house affiliate, ally and trusted partner in Scientology's quest to save the world.

Readers Note: Tony sent a blisteringly brilliant "OPEN LETTER" to Cruise a couple/few years back, which Cruise was too frightened to respond to. If I recall, he had his attorney answer the charges of why Cruise didn't lift a finger when COB was known to be serially kidnapping and physically assaulting staff. His all-star celebrity lawyer said that Tom was familiar with the allegations but didn't believe it. That's it. That's all he responded. Shocking level of irresponsibility, complicity and facilitation for such a self-proclaimed human rights champion like Cruise.

Farrakhan's video, delivered less than a year ago, is still shocking beyond belief. Perhaps even more disturbing is that Scientology and gov't agencies have not been stirred or shamed into immediate action and repudiation against the hate/terrorist group NOI.

If this was a court room, the prosecutor would need only play this video as self-incriminating evidence of the hate speech and incitement to commit murder. It is a shame that the sociopath Gavin Long doesn't have Facebook or other diary/manifesto memorializations of his literal carrying out the cop murders as compliance to Farrakhan's inspirational rants.


[video=youtube;ImaPsvNBTgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaPsvNBTgY[/video]

More recently, hours before the murders in Dallas of five Police Officers, Farrakhan again reiterated his calls for death.

These are not mere statements of opinion; they are a religious sanction to kill.

FAIR GAME, Nation of Islam style.

These "fatwas" confer religious legitimacy and obligation upon Farrakhan's followers to commit murder.

And tragically it has now happened...twice...in Dallas and Baton Rouge.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/dallas-shooting-time-hold-nation-islam-accountable

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/baton-rouge-cop-killer-linked-nation-islam