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Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Michel, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    'Nother one since its been brought up again, this is a very informative thread, thank you Michel where-ever you are! :cheers:
  2. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Re: Some vital additional PTS / SP tech.

    I've been reading this tread. Here is one link corrected, can't find the other link by Per Shiottz:
  3. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Some vital additional PTS / SP tech.

    Proof positive that LRH really liked the idea that there are evil people out there. It also points up LRH's arbitary research methods.

    Thanks for the reference.
  4. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Some vital additional PTS / SP tech.

    He liked the idea because he had proof of it - he was one of them.
  5. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I'm cross-posting a comment here from the Bunker by Tory just 30 minutes ago (as it's related to this thread):

  6. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

  7. Leny

    Leny New Member

    The case can have SOME effect on predisposition (stress on the immune system) and speed of healing, happy people generally heal faster. But by the time the body gets sick you now must treat the body. Treat the case too, especially if it's a PTS situation but DO NOT neglect to treat the body. It's just common sense that cult-heads just don't get. And as a result, people die.
  8. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Renee Davidson to be added to thread (Thanks for your suggestion, Type4PTS):

  9. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Yes . . . I've been reading about cancer lately.

    One of the criminal things going on the the orthodox cancer doctor fraternity is the inducing of real fear and terror in their patients by the way they give patients "the diagnosis" . . . cancer is a very feared disease, and when the doctor delivers his verdict on the basis that there is "no hope unless you undergo our horrific, fearsome and feared" chemo, radiation and/or surgical regimen, patients routinely go into fear.

    ANd the doctors know this, but have no answer . . . or are to incopetent to think in the terms of how better to communicate with the patients.

    Fear floods the body with hormones that simply puts the finishing touch on the ill patient.

    This is the standard occurrence even when it known in the medical fraternity that the patients who recover are those who have the more positive outlook.

    Last edited: Dec 4, 2015
  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    RogerB, only certain cancers can go into remission or be surgically removed in the later stages.

    With Stage IV lung cancer, for example, there is absolutely no chance of recovery.

    If it's caught in the early stages, though, there is far more chance of the body's immune system fighting back.

    Chemo has saved tens of thousands of lives. So has surgery. They are not recommended for those who have no chance of recovery or extended life from receiving their treatment

    Jesse Prince would have died if not for chemo and surgery. His body was riddled with terrible cancer.
  11. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

  12. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    I hope some day Michel could pay us a visit and maybe even post more about what he knows. However, I know he was put in a vise by OSA for daring to post these incriminating and damaging posts in this thread. He made the right decision for his well being and that of his business to walk away but I am forever grateful for his efforts, for this important thread. I imagined it has helped many 'OTs' get off the treadmill, once and for all :thumbsup:
  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP am I!

    One of the most important threads on all of ESMB IMO.

    Thank-you Michel! :clap:
  14. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    I saw many Scientologist's die of cancer. WAY TOO MANY not to scientifically conclude that

  15. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    According to Hubbard himself, the CoS IS causing cancer. See Mike Rinder's blog this morning for an explanation:
    L. Ron Hubbard on Cancer
  16. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    Attached Files:

  17. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Well, Justie...

    There is other data on the issue of cancer . . .

    For those interested, there is a series recently made available titled, "The Truth About Cancer" . . . I subscribed and have done through the entire series of videos etc., etc.

    From: The Truth About Cancer <[email protected]>
    I get regular updates . . .

    Here's the website . .

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  18. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is another thread on ESMB that seems relevant to this subject, specifically the two posts in that thread by member Knn:

    The thread is about Aspectics, which is an alternative method for dealing with so-called BTs/entities/ridges.

    Member Knn states that most of these entities are of your own creation therefore trying to get rid of them, as a NOTs auditor does, is liable to cause cancer. The idea of Aspectics is to re-integrate these entities because they have become separated from yourself.

    I think it's irrelevant whether or not you believe in BTs or Aspectics. The point I'm making is that the very actions that NOTs auditors are performing could lead to either physical or mental illness.
  19. MacKenzie

    MacKenzie Patron with Honors

    Follow LRH standard policy and write the god dam Knowledge Report. Please save somebodies life.

    Anyone on the OT Levels that gets cancer needs to write Knowledge Reports on their Auditor, their Case Supervisor, the Snr Case Supervisor and on up the line. The lie needs to be exposed. Don't be guilty of perpetuating it.

    Disconnection as brutal as it is (I know personally) is nothing to losing a loved one to premature death.

  20. MacKenzie

    MacKenzie Patron with Honors


    I totally appreciate your candor, courage and honesty. My hat is off to you.

    You are told by Hubbard you have a reactive mind. So you mock it up.

    After spending time and money you find out how stupid you were for mocking it up. You have a good chuckle at yourself.

    Then, you figure if clear was that good of a laugh the OT Levels must be even funnier. So why not.

    On OT III Hubbard says you have body thetans so you mock them up. Then after spending more time and treasure you find out how stupid you were for mocking them up. Another chuckle and onto OT VIII.

    We have all been there attesting and writing that "success story" with the fake indicators and the dirty needle. The examiner has seen one too many to even bother reporting it anymore.

    We should all write that Knowledge Report so as many people in and out know the truth.

    Isn't that what we are trying to accomplish.