MICHEL - CANCER AND SUICIDE ON SOLO NOTS

[yzernow2]

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Originally Posted by Michel View Post
I agree PWC! The main problem i see is the complete disconnection from the medical area. Why the Solo Nots Auditors do not go to the doctor more often? Because they are "taught" that they can handle anything and everything in session!

Plus, if they are sick = PTS = find the SP! Why then do you need a doctor?

What for? The "Tech" will handle everything, isn't?

Michel

They key to surviving cancer is catching it in early stages while still treatable.

How do you catch it? You go to the doctor on a regular basis (at least once a year for a checkup) and he has blood work done to see if there are any cancer indicators.

Somebody who is under stress and not seeing his doctor will ignore symptoms until it's long past the treatable stage.

Bravo Michel. Che cosa ha detto e' vero. Grazie molto per il tuo coraggio e l'informazione.

And Enthetan what you say is so true as well. There were originally three of my family in the SO. I'm the only one that got out and I'm the only one still left. The two other died early deaths from cancer. Both survived hard, stressful years in the SO and were die hard scns. I believe both would still be alive today if they had not been in scientology as both of their cancers were likely treatable but were caught too late for the very reasons you point out. That's two in just my family alone.

Of all the horrible carnage Scientology has left in its path: ruined lives, torn apart families, lost fortunes, the forced abortions, the abuse, slave labor, the lies, deceit and fraud - the deaths are by far the most horrific and need to be exposed. I hope to see more of this info coming out.

I am grateful to all who have shared their stories and spoken out. Thank you.

 

[Enthetan]

There were originally three of my family in the SO. I'm the only one that got out and I'm the only one still left. The two other died early deaths from cancer. Both survived hard, stressful years in the SO and were die hard scns. I believe both would still be alive today if they had not been in scientology as both of their cancers were likely treatable but were caught too late for the very reasons you point out. That's two in just my family alone.

I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

As I said before, it's the LONG-TERM STRESS, year after year, in addition to not getting adequate medical care, which kills SO members and S/NOTs public.

The pushes to get the stats up, the lack of sleep, the lack of joy, the lack of hanging out with friends, the push to spend all your time doing things for the Church -- eventually it takes its toll.

 

[Feral]

I know several solo nots public that have gotten cancer.

Angie Moore, Janine Forster, Ron Pollard, Dehlia Atchenson, Simon Neil (luekimia), Greg Bradley (skin cancer). In addition to this my own wife had to have a melanoma removed after attesting to the level and getting auditing to address low order skin cancers previously. Also Di Cammeratta died from a unknown condition while in the SO.

These are all people I know personally.

I have a list of everyone I knew who had done Solo Nots; 31 had died or met some life crisis that bankrupted or disabled them in some way 10 had not to my knowledge.

Hubbard himself was dead 7 years after discovering the "second wall of fire".

RogerB's point is noted, but the % of solo nots public that have gotten cancer is taken from a living sample group.

To be a true test we'd need to categorise what all the solo Nots public died from, then we'd be able to see if the prevalence of cancer is higher or lower than the norm. Same with suicide. My guess is they could well be much higher.

But given Scientologies claims the incidence of these things should be less than normal or close to zero, which it isn't.

Nor should any person on the level feel the need to shooot their business partner and then themselves.

So why follow this bridge if these are the results?

 

[Hatshepsut]

It seems unlikely that OT VII could actually raise people's chances of getting cancer. It just also seems very unlikely that it does anything to lower those chances. People on OT VII are probably older, it seems, just because of how long it takes to reach that level, so their incidence of cancer may be higher just because of this — cancer rates rise with age.

It's also possible that people who know they have cancer, or other serious health problems, are somewhat more motivated to start and stick with a program that promises eternal benefits. So this might make for a higher cancer rate among OT VIIs, but it wouldn't be caused by the program itself.

The point of course is still just that OT levels do not guarantee health.

Very well stated observation.
I wonder what the ratio of cancer to SO members is. They've got plenty of stress but no time to mess with their cases.
Wonderful thread Michel. These NOTs/Cancer threads are always HOT!
There's a lot to be said for letting sleeping dogs lie though .....even if you 'mocked up' the sleeping dogs. :wink2:

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I was talking to an ex the other day. When he was still on lines with the CofS of the 10 NOTS completions that he knew, 3 had died, 4 had nearly died and the other 3 weren't doing well in life. Not very good stats!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I know several solo nots public that have gotten cancer.Angie Moore, Janine Forster, Ron Pollard, Dehlia Atchenson, Simon Neil (luekimia), Greg Bradley (skin cancer). In addition to this my own wife had to have a melanoma removed after attesting to the level and getting auditing to address low order skin cancers previously. Also Di Cammeratta died from a unknown condition while in the SO.These are all people I know personally.I have a list of everyone I knew who had done Solo Nots 31 had died or met some life chrisis that bankrupted or disabled them in some way 10 had not to my knowledge.Hubbard himself was dead 7 years after discovering the "second wall of fire".RogerB's point is noted, but the % of solo nots public that have gotten cancer is taken from a living sample group.To be a true test we'd need to categorise what all the solo Nots public died from, then we'd be able to see if the prevalence of cancer is higher or lower than the norm. Same with suicide. My guess is they could well be much higher.But given Scientologies claims the incidence of these things should be less than normal or close to zero, which it isn't.Nor should any person on the level feel the need to shooot their business partner and then themselves.So why follow this bridge if these are the results?

Wouldn't it be cosmically ironic if oncological stat analysis confirmed a higher incidence of cancer amongst upper level OT's?

After all, are Scientologists not unreasonably obsessed with postulating higher production of every single stat every single day?

Perhaps "highest ever" is not such a good thing with cellular growth (or other human endeavors).

 

[Hatshepsut]

The metastasis might possibly be linked to the church's metastats

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

The metastasis might possibly be linked to the church's metastats

...Yikes!

also....

Early diagnostic indicia of breast cancer is a nipple discharge....could it be linked to an upstat Scientologist's Effluence Attainment Formula?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Sick We're scraping the bottom here. But it is a cancer thread...

Maybe when a BT is threatened with unmocking he mocks up compulsively?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Sick We're scraping the bottom here. But it is a cancer thread...

Agreed. I'll stop if you will. But don't try any tricky posts when I am not looking!

Non-Proliferation treaty?

Now that would be appropriate on a cancer thread, wouldn't it?

 

[skollie]

I am so sorry for your loss, yzernow2

And Enthetan what you say is so true as well. There were originally three of my family in the SO. I'm the only one that got out and I'm the only one still left. The two other died early deaths from cancer. Both survived hard, stressful years in the SO and were die hard scns. I believe both would still be alive today if they had not been in scientology as both of their cancers were likely treatable but were caught too late for the very reasons you point out. That's two in just my family alone.

Of all the horrible carnage Scientology has left in its path: ruined lives, torn apart families, lost fortunes, the forced abortions, the abuse, slave labor, the lies, deceit and fraud - the deaths are by far the most horrific and need to be exposed. I hope to see more of this info coming out.

I am grateful to all who have shared their stories and spoken out. Thank you.

 

[Megalomaniac]

...
I was Solo Nots D of P Europe and i personally met the following Solo Nots Auditors. They were all with advanced cancer:

• Roberto B. – Italy
• Antonella B. – Italy
• Beppe G. – Italy
• Lisa B. – Italy
• Sonia B. – Italy
• Pierluigi G. – Italy
• Maria M. – Italy
• Bernard C. – Switzerland
• Jo R. - Switzerland
• Tasa D. – France
• Helene M. – France

There is more, but I do not remember their names.

Before I blew the Sea Org in November 2006,two of them died of committed suicide; Jo R. and Beppe G.

...

I can attest! Beppe G. had a cancerous tumor the size of an egg in his brain while at Flag to "Attest to OT7"! I went with him to the Clearwater Hospital. He was sent back to Italy right away by RTC....

Hi Michel,

This is important information. But also, I believe it is private information. Please be considerate of the individuals involved and don't give their names, unless that information is already public or you have their permission. The overall stats, I'm guessing would not have such a restriction, but I don't know.

But this, again, seems too important to simply publish in the media/internet. I think it is worth stating it in a more formal and credible way, such as a notarized affadavit.

Welcome, BTW!
Mac

 

[Hatshepsut]

Agreed. I'll stop if you will. But don't try any tricky posts when I am not looking!

Non-Proliferation treaty?

Now that would be appropriate on a cancer thread, wouldn't it?

Agreed. I bomb_________you bomb.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Is HH looking?

$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Thrak]

The clue was there all the time. It was just too obvious to see....

QUESTION: WHAT IS THE END PHENOMENA OF SCIENTOLOGY?

ANSWER: TO END THE PHENOMENA OF SCIENTOLOGY.

Very true. When will this hideous beast become a distant memory? Not soon enough.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Agreed. I bomb_________you bomb.

Agreed!

And even if we do go-to-bombs...no nukes in volcanoes, right?

I don't mind the BT-genocide stuff... but I just fucking hate it when those Scn Volunteer Ministers start showing up and doing those freaky air-touch-assists on invisible BT's.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Agreed!

And even if we do go-to-bombs...no nukes in volcanoes, right?

I don't mind the BT-genocide stuff... but I just fucking hate it when those Scn Volunteer Ministers start showing up and doing those freaky air-touch-assists on invisible BT's.

For real? I didn't see those touch assists in my VM Handbook!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Maybe when a BT is threatened with unmocking he mocks up compulsively?

Corollary: A Joker & Degrader threatened with unmocking mocks compulsively?

 

[AnonyMary]

This is shocking information. I hope you gave this info to Xenophon, as well.

Mary

I know several solo nots public that have gotten cancer.

Angie Moore, Janine Forster, Ron Pollard, Dehlia Atchenson, Simon Neil (luekimia), Greg Bradley (skin cancer). In addition to this my own wife had to have a melanoma removed after attesting to the level and getting auditing to address low order skin cancers previously. Also Di Cammeratta died from a unknown condition while in the SO.

These are all people I know personally.

I have a list of everyone I knew who had done Solo Nots 31 had died or met some life chrisis that bankrupted or disabled them in some way 10 had not to my knowledge.

Hubbard himself was dead 7 years after discovering the "second wall of fire".

RogerB's point is noted, but the % of solo nots public that have gotten cancer is taken from a living sample group.

To be a true test we'd need to categorise what all the solo Nots public died from, then we'd be able to see if the prevalence of cancer is higher or lower than the norm. Same with suicide. My guess is they could well be much higher.

But given Scientologies claims the incidence of these things should be less than normal or close to zero, which it isn't.

Nor should any person on the level feel the need to shooot their business partner and then themselves.

So why follow this bridge if these are the results?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Corollary: A Joker & Degrader threatened with unmocking mocks compulsively?

AHHH......SO MANY GAMES... SO LITTLE TIME.