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Mike "I'm All About the Crimes" Rinder

Discussion in 'Office of Special Affairs' started by Alanzo, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP


    Here is my response to your last post about Jeffrey's email (including the parts of my post you responded to):


    Maybe you were mistaken?

    You didn't go back and check after I accused you of lying?

    And yes, all of his financials were laid bare. And you know what? Alanzo is the one who's actions made that information public by choosing to file for bankruptcy.

    As I had written in my original post,
    "Public disclosure is the price one pays for going bankrupt in America and getting rid of their debts."


    Yeah, I saw that as well. But see no evidence that that was suggested by either Roger or Jeffrey, however you left others to believe that that was the case.

    What you could have done when you saw people making reference to Alanzo's financial status was moderate their posts, deleting any reference to his finances, and privately warning them to not to it again.

    Instead, you let it go on with no moderation, and both you and Alanzo took action to draw maximum attention to it. And then you published a private email from Roger without his permission which essentially confirmed that Alanzo filed for bankruptcy.


    Yeah, I guess not. But who did make the cut?

    You had written this:
    "...two people confirmed and forwarded the email to me. A LOT of people got that email"

    Who is the second person who confirmed and forwarded that email to you?

    And who are the "LOT" of people who got it?


    If someone who represented themselves as a critic ran a CoS campaign against ME for years, I would also begin to look into the background of the person doing it. And many others would as well.

    It doesn't seem though that you have a problem with smearing. You've allowed Alanzo to do it on ESMB against others for almost two months now.

    You only have a problem with it when Alanzo is the target.

    Why is that?


    If someone handed him an envelope full of OSA cash do you believe Alanzo would have reported it to the bankruptcy court to go on his public record?


    I would exercise great caution if I were you when listening to Alanzo's stories.

    He has demonstrated time and again that he doesn't allow the facts to get in the way of a great story.


    Sending a private confidential email to a friend which includes a public domain document is not "fair game".

    But maybe to characterize it as such and reporting on ESMB as you did is fair game. Here's your quote about it:
    "If you saw the email you'd puke. It's as nasty as anything OSA have ever done."

    I understand that you are more than likely unfamiliar with how the bankruptcy process works here in the U.S., and the implications that that has for the one filing (making their financials public). But Alanzo IS familiar with it as he filed for it, yet he did nothing to correct your portrayal of it.
    And yet, both of you are screaming that HE has been fair gamed. Once again, Alanzo is the one who made his financials public, by filing for bankruptcy. If that's fair game than he fair gamed himself.


    Seriously? Even if what you were saying was true, he could have had someone else post it online for him. :duh:

    But he didn't. He exercised discretion by not doing so.
  2. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    It occurred to me this morning how ironic the earlier beginning was to that whole incident, which actually started on alt.religion.scientology. Posts were disappearing, the sporgery thing, personal attacks by "critics," long story.

    Gerry and I needed to make a record of the attack posts. It was a really good thing we did. For one thing, the Scientology v. Armstrong case was in active litigation and a stack of these attack posts were filed and became part of the record. For another, I didn't think it was cool that people could send out ugly attack "bombs" and then delete them shortly afterwards. It was very gaslighty. There were many more of them than us, and there was no way to respond to all the people in the pile-on.

    I'll also point out that at the time, OSA, run by Mike Rinder, was punishing Gerry $50,000 per a.r.s. post, and wanted to keep adding these $50,000-per-utterance punishments to the end of time. It was unconscionable.

    I posted my archive of at least some of the offending posts on Most of the posters objected, and to the excellent animated gif I made that implied their behavior was goonish and served the Scientology corporation/OSA's purposes. And you can still see them over there can-canning if you look hard enough.

    The group attacks followed us to OCMB and then ESMB.

    The point: It is difficult to manage this sort of online behavior, and I do not envy any moderator's job. I think Gerry gave very good arguments for not putting those posts into a Members only area, and not classifying the content as "grudge match." It is Emma's board and she did what she did.
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  3. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

  4. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Who put it in Grudge matches? Maybe you ought to ask that question.
  5. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Important history, right here.
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  6. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa


    I'd like to verify that you have claimed to be very familiar with the federal bankruptcy process in the United States, that you work in this area as part of your job, and the statements you have made here about me, and the accusations you've made here about me, are based on your extensive experience with the US Federal Bankruptcy rules.

    Is that true?
  7. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary

    Hey! I'ma working! Stop posting! :D

    Just wanted to comment on this, nothing else is new so Don't take it as me jumping on you T4, it's just that everything I've said to anyone else has already been said at least three times. :)

    I hope you are aware that Emma deleted at least 2 posts from Alanzo on the smears he made on her. Once back in August when he tried to get me to google it up, and once some days back when he actually posted some "factual" emails that Co$ had presented on her. So, to arbite, she has actually moderated some of the worst slurry remarks made from Alanzo.
  8. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I'm not interested in biting into your red herring.

    If you actually have something you disagree with regarding my postings or something I posted about the bankruptcy process, feel free to express it and I'll respond to it.
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  9. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    When you say this:

    Type4 accuses Alanzo of Bankruptcy fraud.png

    You do realize that you are accusing me of a federal crime on a public message board.

    You are aware of that, right?
  10. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Thanks He-man, and I certainly don't take your post as "jumping on me".

    And yes, it IS true some posts have been deleted.

    But in the past on ESMB what I noticed is that when someone flagrantly violated the board rules, and did so repeatedly, the Admin/Mod would not only edit the post (if necessary) but issue a warning to the one in violation. And continued behavior along the same line would result in either a temporary or permanent ban.

    With Alanzo, I haven't seen him suffer any repercussions from his behavior other than having some posts deleted as you noted. But then he continues to do exactly the same type of thing over and over. I've seen Emma delete part of a particular post he made, and some days later he posted pretty much the same thing.
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  11. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary

    Whale, I suppose Emma decided to go corrupt and turn into a squirrel moderator.

    Don't worry! All things ends, nothing is eternal, not even Scientology! :booze:
  12. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Go back and clear your misunderstood word Al. That's not what I did.

    For one thing, I haven't even alleged that you DID receive an envelope full of OSA cash. :no:

    Are you acknowledging that you did? :ohmy:
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  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I just reread your post I had already responded to.

    Did you write that correctly? Alanzo made two smears on Emma??:unsure:

    I hope not! :grouch:
  14. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Boy, can you belief the insane extent to which the Alanzo twists things to bullshit his was through life . . .

    In post #749 above he has raised (in his own warped mind) the posing of a question "IF" someone has done something, to be a crime!?!

    He is simply not credible. This kind of distortion is, of course, par for his course of "discussion."
  15. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Such an OSA-like response.

    Tsk, tsk...
    Are you too obtuse to recognize your quarrel is with Occam’s Razor, Allen?

    But since there’s so little time left until you return to your little box, will you, at last, explain your use of the patently dishonest “shore story” that you’re “a fan of Leah Remini” when you unsuccessfully attempted to join the Supporters of Leah Remini Facebook group?
    In what universe was that an “acceptable truth?”
    Why did you lie? Did the ends justify the means?
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  16. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary

    No, I'm referring to the other "her"

  17. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

  18. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Yes, I suppose we should be careful of the use of names now days they keep hanging around like a bad smell . . . the naming of a name, not the person!;)
  19. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Actually, now that the "other her" has been named . . . will we never learn??? :D

    I find it actually very heart warming that our Emms acted to delete the smear shit the "Ace Shit Stirrer A" posted.

    Well done Emms!
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  20. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    I was particularly disgusted with Alanzo using his filibuster techniques with Mirriam Francis.
    She joined Supporters after her and Saina's episode aired, expecting support, and to help others who had been in a similar situation. Her contributions would have helped, imo. I could tell by the episode she has had extensive real therapy.

    After Stanfield hammered away at her re: Hubbard scripture, she and Saina faded away.

    Free speech, yes. Compassion for exes, not so much imo.
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