Mike McClaughry

[Mike McClaughry]

What a fun thread.

Hi Mike.

That is all.

Hi Cherished.

( I love these little guys especially the popcorn eating guy - he just cracks me up)




Mike

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

So I'm going to wade in a tad here.

Mike says Scio is all bunk etc etc and should be destroyed utterly.

He also "infiltrated" Scio and worked in the GO causing all kinds of crap and doing essentially evil things to people. Ruining their lives utterly and so on.

While in Scio he and his missus discovered the squirrelness of SoloNOTs and revealed this to others and stirred up things there too.

When out of Scio the two of them presented themselves as being just about the only true ethical scios on planet earth and the rest of as are all degraded squirrels.

Now he is here wanting to know what we know about who might be an OSA operative.

OK so far?

OK.

So here's what I reckon. Mike and his missus are Pinkerton agents on behalf of the US government. The got sent in to Scio in order to trash the subject. They did this by using Scio against itself, demanding the strictest adherence to what Hubbard wrote as to what Standard Tech is. In doing this they wreaked havoc by declaring people and ruining their lives with covert ops etc, knowing full well that (a) no one would oppose them [since this would show them up as being namby pamby pantywaists], and (b) any damage it created would be blamed on the CofS - and this has been shown to be effective. Scio stinks everywhere.

So. A successful mission to wreck scio and find out all they can for their masters.

Then - in order to make sure that the Freezone guys don't get up again - they start presenting themselves once more as the paragons of standardness and condemn every tech person they encounter as a wicked squirrel piece of shit, and they thereby create mayhem wherever possible in the freezone too.

Now he's here, still operating on his original mission orders from Pinkerton Central, in order to stir things up and find out more about OSA operatives if he can.

That's how it truly looks to me. I would sincerely like to be wrong about all this. In truth, I have always looked up to these two somewhat, but always found their intensity of being true to the cause somewhat over the top for me personally. But since that was all a sham - Scio being all bunk - well, unless he recovers himself somehow, I think maybe he has succeeded in totally dead-agenting himself. And V too.

Good riddance.

Good lordy!.................... you living in their basement?

 

[Mike McClaughry]

Patty (Pooks) - something Virginia wanted me to tell you.

"Do you remember Elcycenod from ARS? Wanted you to know that that person privately emailed me several times trying to get me to do things for them in regards Cerridwen, even going so far as to say your name is Patty Piednaz. (hope I spelled that right) They didn't give their real name of course, but I thought you'd like to know what the person was attempting behind the scenes."

Now that's an OSA action.

Mike

 

[Mike McClaughry]

Good lordy!.................... you living in their basement?

No, that's where we keep Hubbard according to some people.



Mike

 

[Pooks]

Patty (Pooks) - something Virginia wanted me to tell you.

"Do you remember Elcycenod from ARS? Wanted you to know that that person privately emailed me several times trying to get me to do things for them in regards Cerridwen, even going so far as to say your name is Patty Piednaz. (hope I spelled that right) They didn't give their real name of course, but I thought you'd like to know what the person was attempting behind the scenes."

Now that's an OSA action.

Mike

Sorry I don't remember Elcyenod.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

I am assume this is not your first year of speaking English, so please, with all due respect, could you maybe tell us more about this of which you did not approve being done?

For example, they spread around that I put LSD in the toothpaste of a pregnant woman, while knowing full well that is a lie, because the only way they know about it is my video about church intelligence, and in that video I clearly state I was not involved in that, and that I highly disapproved of that having been done.

If it wan't you, and you seem to know something about it, then I would think its high time to stop beatin' around the bush, ie. if it was not you, what sick piece of shit did carry this out, (do not expect to be believed much considering your own op to ruin someone by turning a town against them via impersonating pseudo-hippies~ (a pretty fucked up story that one, funny? not.) and behaving like ass-hats.)
So what is it?
You know stuff?
Spill it man, its been a while, who were those evil cunts and why didn't you step in and stop it?


Curious minds.......... can't. look. away .from trainwreck...

 

[Mike McClaughry]

Sorry I don't remember Elcyenod.

In one of their emails, He (she) said their name was DONECYCLE spelled backward.

One of the things is that they wanted to out you on ARS, and if you look it up you should see that they made a few posts to Cerridwen (or about Cerridwen) back around 2004 or 2005? Somewhere around then. They were also providing all sorts of not-publicly known at the time details about you in these emails. Stupid ones, mostly.

Whatever, it was just wanted that you know about it.

Mike

 

[Mike McClaughry]

I am assume this is not your first year of speaking English, so please, with all due respect, could you maybe tell us more about this of which you did not approve being done?


If it wan't you, and you seem to know something about it, then I would think its high time to stop beatin' around the bush, ie. if it was not you, what sick piece of shit did carry this out, (do not expect to be believed much considering your own op to ruin someone by turning a town against them via impersonating pseudo-hippies~ (a pretty fucked up story that one, funny? not.) and behaving like ass-hats.
So what is it?
You know stuff?
Spill it man, its been a while, who were those evil cunts and why didn't you step in and stop it?


Curious minds..........

In the video, I did name who was involved.

Gary Lawrence and Paul Elkins.

There's a picture of Paul at my blog, where I corrected the transcript for that video and added some other kinds of information.

here:

http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/mike-mcclaughry-video-7-lsd-corrected-transcript/

Mike

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

I see.
So, as you were 'infiltrating' and such, why the fuck would you even hang around such a bunch, or, since these were your 'juniors' etc., why wouldn't you at least give some sort of moral guidance or something?
I mean, to start with, the LSD thing is pretty stupid, as you'd have to be a bit of a moron to let it fuck you up enough to be unable to give a speech or what-ever, you'd think the person/victim would be able to figure it all out, so it makes the scenario pretty goofey, but, for god's sake why did you even bother hanging around if you thought it was oso insane?
(I'd be curious what you know about the mercinaries employed around that time, have only rumours been heard, but its time people started to talk about this I think as I have a feeling this sort of crap hasn't stopped since the end of the GO)
What the hell was going on in your head man?
Maybe one day you could post a version of your take on the time-line so that others could respond, it'd be interesting to say the least.

 

[Mike McClaughry]

I see.
So, as you were 'infiltrating' and such, why the fuck would you even hang around such a bunch, or, since these were your 'juniors' etc., why wouldn't you at least give some sort of moral guidance or something?
I mean, to start with, the LSD thing is pretty stupid, as you'd have to be a bit of a moron to let it fuck you up enough to be unable to give a speech or what-ever, you'd think the person/victim would be able to figure it all out, so it makes the scenario pretty goofey, but, for god's sake why did you even bother hanging around if you thought it was oso insane?
(I'd be curious what you know about the mercinaries employed around that time, have only rumours been heard, but its time people started to talk about this I think as I have a feeling this sort of crap hasn't stopped since the end of the GO)
What the hell was going on in your head man?
Maybe one day you could post a version of your take on the time-line so that others could respond, it'd be interesting to say the least.

Mercenaries? I don't anything about mercenaries personally, I wish I did. I'd have spilled the beans.

Gary Lawrence wasn't my junior. He was my senior from USGO. He came up and ordered my junior (Paul Elkins) while I wasn't there.

Were you never on staff? Think you can challenge your seniors in that organization and not become an instant target yourself? Think again. ESPECIALLY in the Guardian's office.

Now there was a time, when I was doing my G.O. training, where I did question the illegal activities as there was an issue in the hat (from LRH) that said not to do anything illegal.

So I went to the DGI US at the time, TERRY MILNER, and I said:

"I don't understand. In my hat it says Don't do anything illegal, but there's illegal things being done by people around here."

Terry's response was that he drew an imaginary line on his desk and said:

"This is the law. Sometimes we cross over that line briefly, but then as soon as we can we get back on the other side."

:-/

And I looked at this guy, and correctly assessed that this went ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP ALL THE WAY TO LRH as their approved operation basis - without putting it in writing of course.

The so-called Hidden Data Line, that doesn't exist in Scientology, right? Oh, it exists alright.

I knew that I would be be kicked out of the Church if I challenged it further by going over his head. Which is what I would have done if I thought was just him, but that wasn't the case.

I was correct about that because when I went to GOWW for training they were all into that same kind of illegal activity there.

When I went to USGO, Jimmy Mulligan who was senior to everyone in the Guardian's Office (short of Mary Sue - he was Mary Sue's right-hand man) he was all into doing illegal activities.

So, not wanting to get kicked out of the Church right at that point, I didn't pursue it on Church command channels.

If you had watched my videos you would know some of this stuff, but nevertheless I also said in my videos that it was making my body physically ill, but again, I did not want to get kicked out at that point.

For one thing, you would not now have the information I brought out when I was ready to be kicked out later on.

I hated L.A. - they were always trying to get me to go work at USGO and I never would. But in 1979, they asked me if I would come be Security Officer at USGO and I said ok, because I wanted out of B-1 and it's obsession over running Black Ops on people.

Black Ops I never did:

1. I never designed or ran one that framed someone for a crime that they didn't commit (even though that was their policy)

2. I never got someone put in jail (another one their policies)

3. I never did one that physically hurt anybody.

4. Never did one that cost someone their job (even though that was policy)

5. Never did one to kill or harm somebodies animals.

Which reminds me - Apparently, someone keeps trying to sneak onto our property recently and apparently the dog keeps catching them and whoever it is keeps spraying our dog with some product that is colorless and when he comes back in his eye is swollen shut, the cornea is opaque (chemical burn) and it takes up to 9 days for the effects to lessen.

We had dogs previously, and one of the first things that happened when Virginia began challenging the Church is that both dogs were poisoned with what the vet said was rat poison, and they both died by the end of 1998.

6. Never did one to attack someone's CHILDREN in order to try and get to them

7. Never did one designed to get somebody put in a Mental Institution (although others did, see Paulette Cooper)

Even after the raid in 1977, and while I was being security officer at USGO, Jimmy Mulligan ordered me to do something illegal on the Richard Deer(e) cycle. He wanted me to break into his house and look for evidence of him embezzling money. I said:

"Jimmy, I thought we were supposed to stop doing illegal stuff."

He went off in a huff and came back with Richard's wife to let me into their house instead of having me break in - which was legal so I did it.

They were still into doing illegal stuff, but they were "trying" to be more careful about it after the raids.

At least the attitude towards doing illegal stuff was: "well, we will if we need to."

Not much of a change, if you ask me.

I went to be the Security Officer at USGO in 1979, that was 2 years after the raid.

They had an all-hands vetting project going on the USGO B-1 files. That would go for about 4 hours every night.

They were cutting out every reference in reports as to illegal stuff that they had been doing.

To give you an idea just how much illegal stuff was going on, they had been doing this every night for 2 years and they weren't even close to being done with.



The truckload of stuff that the FBI got in their raid, was just the tip of the iceberg.

They also had a huge shredding machine called JAWS. Reports were being fed into JAWS on a continuous basis whenever they were doing the vetting project. They'd fire up JAWS and shred stuff for 4 hours every day.

I was also down there (Los Angeles) temporarily when they were holding Michael Meisner against his will - he wanted to go turn himself into the FBI because he had a Warrant out for his arrest. Which is them breaking the law again by attempting to hide a fugitive from justice, but it was MORE law-breaking than that because he wanted to go turn himself in and they wouldn't let him. They had him trapped in a house and surrounded by guards 24 hours a day.

I had nothing to do with that directly, but I knew they were doing it.

When they disbanded the GO in 1981, I was on a medical leave in the hospital. When I returned there was nothing to return to, which was good news to me. Hallelujah!!

I went to one meeting of the takeover people, Miscavige et al, and I think it was Bill Franks (when he was ED Int) that was talking and when he got done talking six sea org officers that were with him with wooden swords all goose-stepped out of the room. I'm not kidding here, they looked exactly like NAZIS to me. At which point, I said I've had just about enough of this shit and they told me that since the GO was disbanded, that I was in no trouble and I could have any post in any org that I wanted. I told them, No thanks, just route me out of here - I'm done with being on staff here.

And that was my graceful exit out of that whole situation, without becoming a target at that time.

Not long after this, Virginia also left the Sea Org (her staff experience) and came out west and we found each other.

I'll add one final thing here, all they did is change the name of the Guardian's Office to OSA - the criminal activities continued unabated. In fact, they got worse. I read people's affidavits of shit that they were doing AFTER the GO was disbanded. More direct physical harm and targeting peoples families and children took place by the takeover crowd - which includes Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder. People should understand that they've got Intelligence staff in every org all around the world who go to work every day and do what I'm talking about. I don't think people really realize just how much criminal Intelligence stuff is going on every day, since OSA is no different (is worse) than the GO. In TWO YEARS of vetting, the GO staff still weren't even close to done. In fact, four years after the raid, by 1981 they STILL were trying to shred all their illegal activities documents. Now that's saying something!

The Go had been in existence around what, 13 years by the time of the raid? So that's what they were working on shredding. Now granted, the Go probably had more staff but not necessarily because the Church has more orgs now than they used to. But OSA has been in place for what...more than TWENTY years now?

Do the math.

Remember, it was Vicky Aznaran that said criminal activity was going on in there day in and day out - that's my point. Nothing has changed.

When Virginia and I first came out of the Church and publicly talked about our challenging of their six-month check line, the public we were addressing our communications to were other Scientologists.

Understand?

Mike

 

[MrNobody]

In one of their emails, He (she) said their name was DONECYCLE spelled backward.

One of the things is that they wanted to out you on ARS, and if you look it up you should see that they made a few posts to Cerridwen (or about Cerridwen) back around 2004 or 2005? Somewhere around then. They were also providing all sorts of not-publicly known at the time details about you in these emails. Stupid ones, mostly.

Whatever, it was just wanted that you know about it.

Mike

Elcycenod, huh? That name rings a very distant bell. All my computers are down ATM (all I currently have is a mainboard, a CD-Rom drive, and a Linux Live CD), but when I'm back to full power, I could scan my (incomplete) ARS archives from late nineties/early to mid-2K.

A quick and dirty scan of Google groups only brought up one post:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/dac5a594631a930a#

Ball of Fluff wrote:

> "ptsc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Stupid cult morons for 500, Alex.

> Wonder how far elcyenod's head is stuck up Idda's ass...

> C

"elcyenod" has the appearance of being another ID of Virginia
which she uses to support herself. "elcyenod" seems to exist only to
bash Cerridwen in ways to undignified for Virginia to do herself.
"elcyenod" looks like "done cycle" backwards, minus a "c".

Ed

Just noticed the typo. This search string brings 13 pages of "elcycenod": http://groups.google.com/group/alt....ch?group=alt.religion.scientology&q=elcycenod

so not minus a "c".

Anyway, 13 pages are enough I'd say, so I'll leave the dust of history on my archives.

Oh, and welcome, Mike.

, MrN

 

[Gadfly]

Scientology is just the playing field for self assumed big beings to fight amoungst themselves over the symbols that seem most important, dollars and perceived power.

I've got a sweet little side yard with a rose bush that I go and meditate in sometimes, and drink in at others. That and my daily meals and a roof and I am happy. But it is amusing to watch the big beings play sometimes.

Lawdy, reading this made me laugh and smile!!!



I am also VERY happy with my little rose bush, and my little corner of the Universe where I can meditate. A place to eat, a place to sleep, a place I call HOME!

Where there is love and caring. (something that it grossly lacking in Scientology)

Speaking of "big beings". I have never understood people who "strive for power". Since I was quite young actually. It is an urge that has never resonated in me, and because of that I suppose I can't quite grasp it in others. Wanting to have power over people and situations, well, it just never "did it for me". Sadly, it does it for some.

 

[degraded being]

OSA spai reknaw laer was most fascinating. I am not going to say anything more about that now.

 

[Gadfly]

OSA spai reknaw laer was most fascinating. I am not going to say anything more about that now.

Nothing like a good parody of doofus behavior . . . . . to start the day!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

In one of their emails, He (she) said their name was DONECYCLE spelled backward.

One of the things is that they wanted to out you on ARS, and if you look it up you should see that they made a few posts to Cerridwen (or about Cerridwen) back around 2004 or 2005? Somewhere around then. They were also providing all sorts of not-publicly known at the time details about you in these emails. Stupid ones, mostly.

Whatever, it was just wanted that you know about it.

Mike

Oh yes, I remember. I'm later quoted on this thread in my a.r.s. post about that.

 

[Pooks]

Excuse me, Ms. Moher. To the best of my knowledge, I certainly have engaged in no "head games", complicated or otherwise.

No generality is true, not even this one.

Sneaks baby, I truly love you, but I have to tell you that you have your very own special kind of head game. As do most of us.

Hugs,

Patty

 

[Pooks]

In one of their emails, He (she) said their name was DONECYCLE spelled backward.

One of the things is that they wanted to out you on ARS, and if you look it up you should see that they made a few posts to Cerridwen (or about Cerridwen) back around 2004 or 2005? Somewhere around then. They were also providing all sorts of not-publicly known at the time details about you in these emails. Stupid ones, mostly.

Whatever, it was just wanted that you know about it.

Mike

Google groups search engine truly sucks. I don't know what the problem is but whenever I search alt.religion.scientology I hardly ever get results.

I'm not surprised and I thank you for the info. I wish I could find this persons posts, It would be interesting to look at it 6 years later. OSA was apparently hot to find out my ID. Once they did, they honored me with my own Religious Freedom Watch Page. I love the fact that they hate me enough to put up a page on me. It's truly a badge of honor for me.

Patty

 

[MattD]

Uh, No. On both counts.

I also don't subscribe to the whole BIG beings versus leetle tiny beings or expando-matic beings or half-breed beings or whatever along those lines.

Hierarchal horseshit.

Mike

My sarcasm being missed. Big being is a mind construct, not a spiritual reality. Big is a material frame of reference, which is one of the downsides to scientology, trying to accomplish spiritual things in a material frame of reference. Perhaps you can be more literal and objective in what you say so that those of us prone to flights of fantasy can understand?

 

[uniquemand]

Mind may be ephemeral, but it's not something to be completely dismissed: it does, after all, function as an interrupt/input/command center for the body, even if it cannot totally control the body or anything it isn't directly wired into.

There are people whose minds prevent understanding, perception, emotional expression, etc., and who are therefore currently incapable of taking on bigger "identities", which results in narrower perspective, highly parochial attitudes, continuous reification of the same old problems, etc.

A "big being" is simply a person who has, for the moment, adopted an identity that has close to a "god's eye" view of the area they're in. This becomes a liability when you want to shut up and play some game with them, if they are incapable or unwilling to shed or step back from that identity.

I don't think there are people who are "big beings" or "little beings" to start with, but they can condition themselves to being that way.

 

[Gadfly]

I don't think there are people who are "big beings" or "little beings" to start with, but they can condition themselves to being that way.

Do you mean that we are each simply what we consider ourselves to be?