Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVets"

CommunicatorIC

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Milestone Two Blog: Growing legs
http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/growing-legs/

Growing legs

Hello all.

Milestone 2 is alive, kicking and just getting on with business.

In the last 6 weeks we have been doing quite a lot of evaluation and delivery. Some of our team have been on the road and travelled all around the United States (13 states from California to Michigan. Others have been working closely with groups in Europe and are travelling there this week.

The focus in on finding delivery personnel who want to get Scientology back the way it was and who want to deliver — while at the same times getting Div 6 lines opened up to feed into delivery groups.

We have activated a lot of Scientologists who almost lost hope in Scientology including an OT VIII and two Class VIII auditors in Florida who are anxious to get their pcs delivered to. We also have delivery going in Nevada, California, Phoenix, Dallas and Michigan. And of course we still have delivery continuing to go strongly in Australia, and in Israel. With a steady core of over 20 members, MS2 is just getting on with the job that needs to be done.

Thank you for all of your support and postulates! You know who you are.

As a bonus we are now hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVets” and are coordinating delivering to wounded and disabled veterans. This project is near and dear to the hearts of not only some of the MS2 Board Members, but also all of America who have a lot of attention on the veterans. MS2 will be delivering Scientology to veterans in a short time. In fact we already have a success story of one veteran who was recently delivered to in Phoenix.

Another project we are launching is finding the thousands of stalled Dianetic Clears around the world, get them in session and cleaned up. The Church left a pretty muddied field behind but we are going to clean it up and get these people moving on the bridge again. This is already occurring on 3 separate continents.

And there are two far-reaching Dissemination Projects in the works – with pilots in planning, based on the earlier successful mission use of the Communications Course, as well as use of the OCA, so that we can start helping people who have never heard of Scientology and simply need help in their lives.

The reason for being here is to get Scientology back delivering like never before. There are thousands who are still under the radar, who want to leave the Church, but cannot because they have nothing to leave to. We are making a new home for them so they can get out of the trap called CSI.

Once again, thanks for all of your help and postulates.

We are here for you.

If you need service, assistance, help or simply want to have a comm line with a network of like-minded individuals you are welcome to write [email protected] or write to [email protected].

Love, MS2
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

Obviously they don't konw that Veterans of America and AmVets are the same org.

I hate to see them in there, but at least it's the smallest of the 3 orgs in the US for Vets - the American Legion and the VFW have a greater presence, at least on the East Coast. Any way to warn AmVets?
 

Veda

Sponsor
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

While they're getting all those "stalled Dianetic Clears in session and cleaning them up, they might consider showing them this:

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Excerpts from an article by David Mayo on Clear, 1991, eight years after David Mayo left Scientology:

http://www.ivymag.org/iv-01-02.html


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Clear

By David Mayo, USA.

In late 1978, the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear".

This change had two immediate consequences:

1. The number of people attesting (correctly or falsely) to having attained the "state of clear" increased enormously.
2. During and after that period, there was a considerable amount of upset and confusion about the "state of clear".

There were those who considered that a dianetic clear was not a "real clear" and that the only "real clear" was one who (like them) had done the Clearing Course. Some felt that they had gone clear in their last lifetime. Some felt that dianetic clear explained why they had never been able to run dianetic auditing successfully. A large number of auditors, C/Ses, and others felt that there were a lot of people falsely attesting to the state of clear and either

a. Felt unethical about letting the person attest, or
b. Tried to handle it and ended up involuntarily invalidating the pc. No matter how this was "handled", it has persisted as a problem. So we can at least assume that there are aspects of it that haven't been taken into account and handled.

Let us examine more closely what happened in late 1978 and early 1979. LRH was being audited and concluded that one of the things wrong with his case was that he had been audited on dianetic auditing after he had attained the "state of clear" (which he at first thought had occured in objective processing). He then issued a bulletin forbidding the running of dianetic auditing on clears and made various other technical and administrative changes.

He cancelled the state of "keyed out clear" by stating that it was the same state as "clear". He changed the definition of "clear" (and subsequently changed it several more times). He order ed that the folders of pcs (and the pcs themselves) who might have gone clear in orgs and missions be routed to Advanced Orgs. This action resulted in an emptying out of the orgs and missions and a flood of people arriving at the AOs.

At first, people were being declared clear regardless of what they thought they had gone clear on or when this had occurred. More importantly, they were being declared clear regardless of the state of case or condition they were in. In fact, one bulletin went so far as to advise that case and ethics trouble could be caused by a person having attained clear without having the state acknowledged. As a result, many persons who were declared clear were actually in very poor condition. This practice reflected badly on the "state of clear" and the workability of the tech. It caused a great deal of upset and confusion on the subject of clear.

At that time there was a shortage of instructions on how to handle dianetic clear technically and a general lack of data on the new subject of "dianetic clear". However persons accused of mis-handling dianetic clear were handled with heavy ethics. The "invalidation of clear" was named a Suppressive Act, while permitting someone to attest falsely was also a serious ethics offense.

A step in the procedure for handling these new clears was to establish the date when the person went clear. Sometimes the date so found would be before scientology or even prior to the pc's lifetime. When LRH heard that some persons considered that they had attained the "state of clear" in an earlier practice such as Buddhism, he became very upset. He stated that the idea that a person could go clear through any other means than scientology was "suppressive". At a certain point, he also got upset at the fact that people were concluding that they had gone clear in scientology auditing. So he specified that a person can validly go clear only in dianetic auditing. He handled the "earlier than this life time" clears by deciding that they either went clear in their last lifetime in dianetic auditing (presumably if they were young enough for this to be possible) or had attained a new state he dubbed "natural clear". His new theory was that some people had never been anything but clear. However, he refused, thereafter, to issue any further clarification of what he meant by this assertion.

Throughout this period, the definition of clear and/or dianetic clear kept changing - in the direction of dilution. Thus people came to expect less and less from the "state of clear", while the number of new clears (and thus new arrivals at AOs and Gross Income) steadily increased. None of the new definitions of "clear", and none of the new techniques for handling clears or programming them for further actions, really solved any of the problems caused by the advent of dianetic clear.

It is of interest that the definition of "clear" had already been changed several times between its first definition in DMSMH (The book, Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health, 1950, by L. Ron Hubbard) and the time the idea of "clear" was put forth. In DMSMH, a clear was said to be 4.0 on the tone scale, with no aberrations (held down sevens), no psychoses, neuroses, nor psychosomatic illnesses. The clear was said to have eidetic recall and highly enhanced perceptions and creativity. Although this chappie didn't have any OT powers, he was definitely quite a phenomenon!

It is also significant that the attributes of a clear, as described in DMSMH, were never actually attained, although in reading DMSMH, one might be led to believe that they were. When people started attesting to clear, the definition was watered down to the vague generality "at cause over mental MEST as regards the first dynamic". This definition can mean many different things to many different people. Anyone is at least somewhat causative over his own mind. So anyone can find an interpretation of this definition of "clear" that he can attest to. The states of "MEST Clear", "Theta Clear", "Cleared Theta Clear", "Clearing Course Clear", "Clear-OT", and, finally, "Dianetic Clear", and "Word Clear" were equally absolutistic when first stated, but when people started attesting to them, the definition of each, or the criterion for allowing a pc to attest to each, was similarly watered down. This sequence has been repeated over and over throughout the history of scientology.

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"Clears" have always had trouble explaining why they still act reactively at times, or a lot of the time, and why they still have problems in life and in getting along with people. The amount of mileage you can get from the notion of a "cleared Cannibal" is very limited. Even a cleared cannibal, if he were really clear, would get along wonderfully in life, never manifest misemotion, and love all his fellow beings, even as he was having their bodies for dinner!

The idea of "harmonics of clear" is quite accurate. The main reason why LRH blew up at the idea of "harmonics of clear", as expressed in the HCOB I wrote, was, as he told me, that this idea tended to leave him open to the charge that the claims he had made in DMSMH and elsewhere concerning the "state of clear" were fraudulent.

The truth appears to be that there are various stages of release, at each one of which you are clear-er than you were. A person experiencing the glee of insanity is clear-er than someone who is just completely unconscious. It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were "clear" at a certain point, and that they therefore had no reactive mind. However this assertion is a lie, and a very destructive one, one that denies case gain to a great many people and provides a too-convenient rabbit button for pc's, auditors and C/S's who are having trouble with the pc's case. The claim that case and ethics problems can be caused by being clear was:

1. Absurd on the face of it.
2. A declaration of open rabbitting season.

Trying to define "clear" is difficult because it is being done over a lie. We either have to restore the meaning of clear to its original absolute meaning (which means that there aren't any clears in existence), or we have to say that what people have attested to as clear is actually only a state of release or reduction.

We can say that the purpose of auditing is to clear aberrations and that if all aberrations were cleared, a "state of clear" would be attained. The concept of "clear" is useful as an ultimate goal, like the goal of perfect happiness or of perfect anything. It is a direction in which to continue to progress. It is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology).

Another part of the problem is that the states of release and clear are only subjective. Asking an aberrated person to decide when he feels or thinks that he is no longer aberrated, is asking for a delusory "cognition" from the start. At one time [ca. 1959. Ed.], LRH postulated that the state of clear could be objectively proven by the presence of a "free or floating needle" and a TA position of 2.0 (Female) or 3.0 (Male). But this was an unverified guess that did not stand the test of time.

Perhaps what we have been calling "clear" is "no longer chronically affected by engrams" or "engrams no longer in chronic restimulation." As such, the state would be more accurately described as a state of release or as a state of reduction. In other words, it would mean that the majority of a person's aberrations had gone into abeyance.

Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again.


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Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

While they're getting all those "stalled Dianetic Clears in session and cleaning them up, they might consider showing them this:

David_Mayo.jpg


Excerpts from an article by David Mayo on Clear, 1991, eight years after David Mayo left Scientology:

http://www.ivymag.org/iv-01-02.html


____________________________

START QUOTE


Clear

By David Mayo, USA.

In late 1978, the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear".

This change had two immediate consequences:

1. The number of people attesting (correctly or falsely) to having attained the "state of clear" increased enormously.
2. During and after that period, there was a considerable amount of upset and confusion about the "state of clear".


Oh, Lord - please help me!! The driveling sniveling bat shit crazy Clear!!

What kind of Clear are you?

The "Clear" ?
The past life clear?
The dianetic Clear?
The Natural Clear?
The Past Life Clear?
THE MEST Clear?
The Cleared Cannibal Clear?


WTF? All this stuff about a "Clear" and there is not one person "CLEAR" on El Wrong's ala Cart menu!! 63 years of bamboozling!

Oh dear God help me!!

Dear Lord - please help me deal with the realization that I was so incredibly and epically duped by EL Con Hubbard. Please forgive me Lord for being so incredibly stupid!! I am so embarrassed that I ever ever ever even walked into the Carnival of Clear!!

Just amazingly embarrassing!! Anyway Lord - I am humbled by this experience...I was so wrong and fought so hard to be so right!! I'm sorry!!


Oh, and Lord, can you help me find David Mayo??

I think I want to clear him!! Like a swift kick in the OT's!! Dumb ass!
 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

While they're getting all those "stalled Dianetic Clears in session and cleaning them up, they might consider showing them this:

David_Mayo.jpg


Excerpts from an article by David Mayo on Clear, 1991, eight years after David Mayo left Scientology:

http://www.ivymag.org/iv-01-02.html


____________________________

START QUOTE


Clear

By David Mayo, USA.

In late 1978, the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear".

This change had two immediate consequences:

1. The number of people attesting (correctly or falsely) to having attained the "state of clear" increased enormously.
2. During and after that period, there was a considerable amount of upset and confusion about the "state of clear".


Oh, Lord - please help me!! The driveling sniveling bat shit crazy Clear!!

What kind of Clear are you?

The "Clear" ?
The past life clear?
The dianetic Clear?
The Natural Clear?
The Past Life Clear?
THE MEST Clear?
The Cleared Cannibal Clear?


WTF? All this stuff about a "Clear" and there is not one person "CLEAR" on El Wrong's ala Cart menu!! 63 years of bamboozling!

Oh dear God help me!!

Dear Lord - please help me deal with the realization that I was so incredibly and epically duped by EL Con Hubbard. Please forgive me Lord for being so incredibly stupid!! I am so embarrassed that I ever ever ever even walked into the Carnival of Clear!!

Just amazingly embarrassing!! Anyway Lord - I am humbled by this experience...I was so wrong and fought so hard to be so right!! I'm sorry!!


Oh, and Lord, can you help me find David Mayo??

I think I want to clear him!! Like a swift kick in the OT's!! Dumb ass!

I think you miss the point of that article by David Mayo. In the end he says there is no state of "clear", but there is something as maybe as being "clearer" than one was before. And he says Ron changed it all the definition of "clear" for marketing reasons. As I have been saying, scientology is a sales & marketing organization hidden under the guise of a religion as have many, many others.

I did get gains, others got gains. I don't doubt that. I was sort of like Geir, I was extroverted as a child, and became introverted. I wasn't introverted as a child and my beginning years in grammer school, but then became more and more introverted. And scientology did help to get un introverted. I don't have doubts about that.

And getting heads over heels involved and listening and following everything hubbard said, is, well, becoming his robot.
But, IMHO, there is no "clear" or "OT". But by education and other means, one can become more "clear" about his or hers goals and to achieve them.
 

Techless

Patron Meritorious
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

"...the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear"

Why wasn't there than: "still foggy but can see now', "The rain has stopped but still can't see (clearly) "Oh, I need glasses"...

Bla, Bla, Bla...

Oh wait:


"Ron changed it all the definition of "clear" for marketing reasons."

Now that makes sense to me finally... I can now attest with total certainty and mostly: a better sense and reality of how to weave a web of self-entrapment, insanity, and utter ruin.

Buttons anyone? I've got lots of pretty buttons for everyone!

I'm broke, so I fail. But any 'borderlines', 'on the fencers', still looking for a way to go completely insane? Not to worry: you won't need any money for sure (small print: as long as you can make it) - that's already been designed into the master plan for your custom slavation. (sorry 'salvation')

Just late eve ranting - got to get it out. SO many here have inspired me and are sooo much better at it than I. You guys Rock!
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
Re: Milestone Two hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVe

Another post on the Milestone Two blog refers to this:

http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/auditing-is-the-new-black/

Relevant excerpt:
Wounded Warriors who have lost limbs in combat are being skillfully treated and audited by a wonderful, caring lady in Michigan. She is auditing them to make them more at ease with their situations and getting them back living and operating in society. This is a much needed thing and my hat is off to her. Another soldier who was PTSD was audited in Phoenix.
 
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