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[Claire Swazey]

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Representing as in defending, standing up for, advocating...

e.g. "The lawyer represented Scientology in court."

Claire, surprisingly you seem to have reverted to your old posting days of incomprehensibly arguing about everything in defense of Scientologists. You used to do that chronically and with horrible results. Now on this thread you are back to your old tricks. What happened? Is the imminent release of HBO's devastating documentary agitating your mind that much?

I've not "reverted". As I've explained before, my interest is in freedom of expression and of belief. That's where I'm coming from. It always has been. Any ideas or practices I disagree with-and there are a number of them -I say so.

I think Scn is one of many ologies out there that's permeated with truth and falsehood. It's a frequent dinner table topic at Chez Swazey, though we spend as much time dissecting the abuses (especially our time on staff) as we do discussing Scn theory.

I don't know what the fuck the HBO Documentary has to do with any of that. (Why would something that terrific "agitate" any ex'es mind? Particularly someone who's called it "wonderful"?) I know I've shared with ESMB that I'm extremely excited and thrilled that I'm gonna get to see it Sunday. I'm literally counting the days, as my Facebook friends can tell ya. I also have tons of party prep to do for that night. Hmmm...mebbe I should go into the office late the next morning.

 

[strativarius]

Man, you suck!

Right when I was beginning to feel some happiness with the 1st draft of my "Bear" routine, you have to throw another mandatory sub-routine into the mix?

Woah, this is beginning to feel like some of the jobs I've had. This is not fun anymore!

Anyway, here's what I have so far:
Jus' kiddin'

OMG!

I come here to ESMB to chill out when my programs dump core and I can't figure out why. And what do I find? More computer code. Aaaagh!

#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char* argv)
{
if(mr_nobody posts code)
{

printf("Give me a break\n");
complain bitterly();​

}
else
{

enjoy reading the messages();​

}
return(0);
}

 

[SPsince83]

OMG!

I come here to ESMB to chill out when my programs dump core and I can't figure out why. And what do I find? More computer code. Aaaagh!

Quit yer fuckin' whinin'. Christ, you must be an SP or something.

 

[MrNobody]

OMG!

I come here to ESMB to chill out when my programs dump core and I can't figure out why. And what do I find? More computer code. Aaaagh!

And you need another debugging cycle, since you've missed at least one missing bracket and one mistyped variable name in my source code.

 

[strativarius]

Quit yer fuckin' whinin'. Christ, you must be an SP or something.

If by SP you mean a 'Superlative Programmer', yes, you're absolutely right!

 

[SPsince83]

And you need another debugging cycle, since you've missed at least one missing bracket and one mistyped variable name in my source code.

Fuckin' nerds. Sheesh

 

[SPsince83]

If by SP you mean a 'Superlative Programmer, yes, you're absolutely right!

Yeah, whatever, nerd.

 

[strativarius]

And you need another debugging cycle, since you've missed at least one missing bracket and one mistyped variable name in my source code.

Listen, I have enough on my plate debugging my own source code without sorting yours out.

 

[strativarius]

Fuckin' nerds. Sheesh

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I've not "reverted". As I've explained before, my interest is in freedom of expression and of belief. That's where I'm coming from. It always has been. Any ideas or practices I disagree with-and there are a number of them -I say so.

I think Scn is one of many ologies out there that's permeated with truth and falsehood. It's a frequent dinner table topic at Chez Swazey, though we spend as much time dissecting the abuses (especially our time on staff) as we do discussing Scn theory.

I don't know what the fuck the HBO Documentary has to do with any of that. (Why would something that terrific "agitate" any ex'es mind? Particularly someone who's called it "wonderful"?) I know I've shared with ESMB that I'm extremely excited and thrilled that I'm gonna get to see it Sunday. I'm literally counting the days, as my Facebook friends can tell ya. I also have tons of party prep to do for that night. Hmmm...mebbe I should go into the office late the next morning.

Glad to know you are at peace with the HBO documentary. I was wondering out loud (something fraught with peril on a written forum, perhaps best left unsaid) about why you suddenly went onto one of your "DEFEND THE SCIENTOLOGISTS!" crusades.

When you jump in to speak for and rabidly defend other pro-Scn posters, it's not one of your endearing traits.

 

[Leon-2]

Why is it always forgotten by apologists and trolling advocates that a campfire in the middle of the forest that eventually burns the entire forest down, also once warmed people's skin, heated up stew for hungry campers sitting out in the moonlight, made wonderful and soothing crackly noises, smelled marvelous and looked powerfully majestic and beautiful.

Fine, have your anecdotal wins and successes. Great. I'm sure some people can get rid of a headache from getting an assist and lots of people won't. The mind is very powerful. Still, if any of that entices a single soul to continue the pursuit of this philosophy/technology then you have done that person a grave disservice as they will eventually lose by giving up their own mind and taking on Hubbard's. The pursuit of Scientology, in its entirety, is not at all about critical thinking and personal freedom.

I suppose if you want to cherry pick what you want to apply and validly help someone you could probably get away with that without too much trouble but it's rather presumptuous of you to place yourself in the position of sole arbiter on that front. Why even continue to call it Scientology?

So go ahead and play with fire. Have fun. Knock yourself out.

BTW, Leon, what do you think of the new documentary coming out? Your voice has been missed on that front. I haven't seen a single comment from you. I'm sincerely interested.

Good post, Sindy. Let's take the last point you make first. I have not seen the film and so I make no comment on it. Films and books about how terrible Scio is seem to be coming out every week nowadays and I can't be bothered going through them all. But keep this in mind - I do not dispute that what their writers say probably did happen to them. The whole thrust of all of my arguments is that while the CoS today is an organised slave trading concentration camp lunatic asylum, yet the subject itself does not demand that things should be so. The materials of Scientology can be used for people's benefit IF THOSE WHO APPLY IT ARE OF A BENEVOLENT MINDSET.

And so to your second point - Yes I put myself forward as one arbiter on what and how Scientology should be done. I am certainly not the only one - I am just the one who sticks his neck out more than the others do. There is nothing presumptuous about it. Arbiters of what and how Scientology should be done are sorely needed. I would love to have some colleagues in this activity.

 

[SPsince83]

Good post, Sindy. Let's take the last point you make first. I have not seen the film and so I make no comment on it. Films and books about how terrible Scio is seem to be coming out every week nowadays and I can't be bothered going through them all. But keep this in mind - I do not dispute that what their writers say probably did happen to them. The whole thrust of all of my arguments is that while the CoS today is an organised slave trading concentration camp lunatic asylum, yet the subject itself does not demand that things should be so. The materials of Scientology can be used for people's benefit IF THOSE WHO APPLY IT ARE OF A BENEVOLENT MINDSET.

And so to your second point - Yes I put myself forward as one arbiter on what and how Scientology should be done. I am certainly not the only one - I am just the one who sticks his neck out more than the others do. There is nothing presumptuous about it. Arbiters of what and how Scientology should be done are sorely needed. I would love to have some colleagues in this activity.

Critical thinking. Apply it. You might wake up. You are wrong about the value of scn. That which is good about scn is not unique. That which is unique about scn is not good. Heroin makes a dope-sick junkie feel better. So fucking what?

 

[Veda]

-snip-

an organised slave trading concentration camp lunatic asylum, yet the subject itself does not demand that things should be so.

Yes the subject itself does demand that things should be so. What's of some concern is that you, and others of like mind, who also provide psychological counselling for people, are unable to see that.

The materials of Scientology can be used for people's benefit IF THOSE WHO APPLY IT ARE OF A BENEVOLENT MINDSET.

-snip-

Only if they cherry pick the hell out of it at which point it's not Scientology anymore but another subject.

 

[Churchill]

I had wins in my early auditing, and sometimes from touch assists.

There is a therapeutic benefit that comes from having an attentive listener.

but,

to extrapolate from this that Scientology, in the aggregate, is not extraordinarily dangerous, destructive, cruel, and so thoroughly vicious towards

FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, FREEDOM OF SPEECH &

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION,

is really to not see the forest for the trees.

The willful blindness, (that Scientology produces), that misses the big picture of just how fucking evil and crazy it is, is the reason Leon and Claire are experiencing gentle pushback here.






(Oh, and btw, Leon, please don't think for a moment that I have forgotten what you have posted about my religion. I'll leave it at that.)

 

[Claire Swazey]

Glad to know you are at peace with the HBO documentary. I was wondering out loud (something fraught with peril on a written forum, perhaps best left unsaid) about why you suddenly went onto one of your "DEFEND THE SCIENTOLOGISTS!" crusades.

When you jump in to speak for and rabidly defend other pro-Scn posters, it's not one of your endearing traits.

I wasn't rabid. Though I did spend far too much time answering those who are. Frankly, it's not one of your more endearing traits.

 

[Sindy]

Good post, Sindy. Let's take the last point you make first. I have not seen the film and so I make no comment on it. Films and books about how terrible Scio is seem to be coming out every week nowadays and I can't be bothered going through them all. But keep this in mind - I do not dispute that what their writers say probably did happen to them. The whole thrust of all of my arguments is that while the CoS today is an organised slave trading concentration camp lunatic asylum, yet the subject itself does not demand that things should be so. The materials of Scientology can be used for people's benefit IF THOSE WHO APPLY IT ARE OF A BENEVOLENT MINDSET.

And so to your second point - Yes I put myself forward as one arbiter on what and how Scientology should be done. I am certainly not the only one - I am just the one who sticks his neck out more than the others do. There is nothing presumptuous about it. Arbiters of what and how Scientology should be done are sorely needed. I would love to have some colleagues in this activity.

Thank you for answering.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I wasn't rabid.

Sounds like a huge win! Perfect for this thread.

And, thanks for the tremendously valuable "DEFEND SCIENTOLOGY!" services you have rendered to Leon on this "Miracles though (sic) Auditing" thread. The pair of you have made a real contribution to bettering the lives of so many here.

Claire, we'll be sure to send you a text alert the next time any Scientologist is likewise in dire need on another thread--having trouble convincing people of the "MIRACLES" that Dr. Hubbard humbly gave us.

It must be a great feeling for you to know that you have helped Ron spread the good word of his miracle-producing tech! Congratulations again.

Ron's Miracles = Everbody in the Universe Wins!

 

[Claire Swazey]

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Sounds like a huge win! Perfect for this thread.

And, thanks for the tremendously valuable "DEFEND SCIENTOLOGY!" services you have rendered to Leon on this thread. The pair of you have made a real contribution to bettering the lives of so many here.

Claire, we'll be sure to send you a text alert the next time any Scientologist is likewise in dire need on another thread--having trouble convincing people of the "MIRACLES" that Dr. Hubbard humbly gave us.

It must be a great feeling for you to know that you have helped Ron spread the good word of his miracle-producing tech! Congratulations again.

Ron's Miracles = Everbody in the Universe Wins!

As I said, I'm not interested in defense of Scn as much as I am of freedom of speech.

As far as Scn miracles go, I've already said multiple times that I think it's one venue of many and they've got no monopoly on such things. I also repeatedly said that I don't care if people credit any of that. I really don't.

It might be difficult for you to send me a text when you don't have my cell number. If I did get a text from you, rest assured I'd do what I did when CofS somehow got it and started ...ewwww...texting me. I blocked 'em and before doing so told 'em if they did it again, I'd post and publish their phone numbers everywhere. I'd treat any unsolicited harassment that way, including taking possible legal action.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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As I said, I'm not interested in defense of Scn as much as I am of freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech? Oh really? You defend Scientologists because you are in favor of Freedom of Speech? LOLOLOLOL. Because Scientologists are so awesome when it comes to people's freedom of speech, right?

How do you feel about someone standing up in a crowded movie theater and yelling "Wall of Fire!"?

 

[RogerB]

The last posts by Leon2 and Veda above #171 and #173 respectively a good, correct and valid.

Maybe, the real deal is that Hubbard got hold of some stuff and/or pinched it from others that has some workability to it . . . it happens we refer to it as Scientology because that is the name under which it was introduced to us . . . . tragicly along with that which he passed on without perversion that has benefit to folks has gotten muddled up with his mind-fuck stuff. Certainly his "management" tech is insane and designed to subjugate those it is applied on.

Thus, of we were to be able to take out of what Hubbs gave us the stuff that is good and see where it truly came from . . . well, of course, we'd no longer have Hubbard's Scientology disaster!

Is that fair, or is that fair?

R