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Monique reportedly fires her legal team.

George Layton

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I think you are all little piece of shits that do the same old same of thing of painting someone black or put a scarlet letter on a woman.

Is that real enough for you ?

I posted this over at 'Moving on up...' in reply to one of Oracle's posts. I'll repost it here.


One thing I can’t figure out about this mess, with all the speculation, is why did it happen like it did? Marty and Monique were aware that Tony try’s to post breaking news about anything that comes up in the scientology vs. wog world, and the ongoing court case in Texas was one of the top attention magnets of all the court cases going on. This case and the Laura DeCrescenzo case were two of the most focused upon happenings in the US. How could the fact that this action between Monique and her lawyers would not get Tony’s attention and become breaking news immediately upon it being made public? If an email had been sent out to Tony stating that something startling was going to come out and needed to be kept low profile for the time being, I believe this may have turned out much differently. I believe Tony would have played it down and presented it in a manner that the bunker would have followed suit and not been so quick to jump to all the guessing or innuendo. I do not mean to say Monique has to check in with, and run everything past Tony. I am saying that some of this response must have been expected.
 

Boson Wog Stark

Patron Meritorious
I am saying that some of this response must have been expected.

I'm just guessing, but if Marty (and Monique) thought that what they have decided to do is carefully thought out and their best decision, they didn't care to read that Tony's legal consultant, who does not know what is going on behind the scenes, is calling their decision "insane."

Marty would have expected that the court document would be posted by Tony, and then he'd say something like, "We'll have to wait to see what is going on here."

It's up to the Rathbuns, whether they want to divulge anything about their case, or this decision. But in fact, they may be prohibited from doing so by the terms Scientology sets, and it is quite possible we may never know.

Marty is probably pissed off where it is implied that Tony has inside sources that know things about the case, especially if Marty believes he's negotiating a delicate and highly confidential deal with CoS that isn't finalized.

I look forward to Tony reporting what is filed in court, and what is known.
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hell if I know. But it does look kinda pixelated. Def'n 2?
pix·el·ate
ˈpiksəlāt/
verb
past tense: pixelated; past participle: pixelated
divide (an image) into pixels, typically for display or storage in a digital format.
(of an image on a computer screen or other display) be enlarged so far that the viewer sees the individual pixels that form the image, the enlargement having reached the point at which no further detail can be resolved.
display an image of (someone or something) on television as a small number of large pixels, typically in order to disguise someone's identity.

Wait, is the Ferrari photo shopped?
 

freethinker

Sponsor
Or you can just compare Ferrari #1 to Ferrari #2 and house 1 to house two and reach your own conclusion.

The Ferrari's are both yellow and the Houses are both yellow and ranch style but are they exactly the same?


Hell if I know. But it does look kinda pixelated. Def'n 2?
pix·el·ate
ˈpiksəlāt/
verb
past tense: pixelated; past participle: pixelated
divide (an image) into pixels, typically for display or storage in a digital format.
(of an image on a computer screen or other display) be enlarged so far that the viewer sees the individual pixels that form the image, the enlargement having reached the point at which no further detail can be resolved.
display an image of (someone or something) on television as a small number of large pixels, typically in order to disguise someone's identity.
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
well this is earth, presume (( 0 ))you must be elsewhere then?

Let me explain - I will try to keep the syllable (( 1 )) count down.

As movements like Scientology contract, the fanatics retreat back to the bigger centers and entrench themselves even deeper. (( 2 ))The Sea Org was never very big, its churn rate was huge and it spewed out almost as many as it recruited. In the 90's they first started mining eager east europeans, Russians, eager to get out of their environment.

(( 2 a )) I was not in by then so there is no way to estimate the effect they had on staffing levels. When I was CO AOSHEU there were 110 crew. In the 2000's there were from what I saw around 250 during its push for Ideal Org status. The FLB also went through a fairly large expansion of SO crew at the same time.

So unless you have something other than bombast and twaddle to add (( 3 ))- guess you will have to stay on whatever minor planet (( 4 )) it is that you inhabit.

(( 0 )) 'presume' must be related to 'assume'.

(( 1 )) What's a 'syllable' ?

(( 2 )) Can you help me understand how 'retreating' magically multiples the fanatics ?

((2a )) Paragraph added to provide ease to my limited reading ability.

(( 3 )) bombast & twaddle - Oh thank God, at last, someone really deeply understands me !

(( 4 )) True, the planet I inhabit is a minor one.

Perhaps my only being ( foolishly ) from 1972 to 2002 is minor time compared to you, but, I outranked you as you were a CO ( never found one I could trust ) and I was public. I could pretty much come & go & do or not do compared to the ones in their spiffy faux salvation army uniforms.

These days I rely on friends living in Hemet, LA near the complex, & Clearwater to comment on the daily coming & going diminishing numbers as years go by of those in the aforementioned cutesy uniforms.

On topic : I hope Monique gets what she wants out of that ugly little cult.
True, the cult will rape one of their whales for whatever settlement they pay out.

Hpw many whales can they afford to kill ?

Oh Mick ( I'd always miss read it as Mile ) have a great day !

PS : Has this lovely thread died & being drug through the back allys of hades ?
 
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Little David

Gold Meritorious Patron
"The Oracle" aka Marty? wrote these sad words:

What you can know about, is that Marty has published a new book and it is one of the best books I have ever read. There has been no mention of this on Tony’s blog. If you want to know more about Marty’s mind, please pick up a copy and leave a review. Contribute to some positive motion and give yourself some pleasure moments. Good memories are all about you to made and carry with you into the infinity.

snip:

She ‘ they do not owe anything to anyone out here.

By the time Marty published his first novel and all of his “friends and associates”, all four of them it seems, picked up his book and left a review, even I had a realization about the transient nature of “friendship, allies, and support” in this arena.


How long is this cycle of action supposed to go on for her? Until Ortega has ten more scoops to report and the fragile support can see someone deliver another blow to the Church? Which as far as I know, neither of these are even her goals or purposes.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/tony-ortega-the-underground-bunker/
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
"The Oracle" aka Marty? wrote these sad words:

What you can know about, is that Marty has published a new book and it is one of the best books I have ever read. There has been no mention of this on Tony’s blog. If you want to know more about Marty’s mind, please pick up a copy and leave a review. Contribute to some positive motion and give yourself some pleasure moments. Good memories are all about you to made and carry with you into the infinity.

snip:

She ‘ they do not owe anything to anyone out here.

By the time Marty published his first novel and all of his “friends and associates”, all four of them it seems, picked up his book and left a review, even I had a realization about the transient nature of “friendship, allies, and support” in this arena.


How long is this cycle of action supposed to go on for her? Until Ortega has ten more scoops to report and the fragile support can see someone deliver another blow to the Church? Which as far as I know, neither of these are even her goals or purposes.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/tony-ortega-the-underground-bunker/

Drama Queen Catherine Zoltan posts on the internet blogs and forums as The Oracle, domind, and T.O.

She used to post here but not any more, very much to the relief of many.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...om-the-Ethiers&p=597791&viewfull=1#post597791

Her posts can be found by searching for her nic name at this link

http://www.forum.exscn.net/memberlist.php Search under T for The Oracle

She is anti-Tony Ortega for years. She is a Marty butt kisser on his blog. She was or still is an independent... not sure these days who is and isn't
 

Little David

Gold Meritorious Patron
Drama Queen Catherine Zoltan posts on the internet blogs and forums as The Oracle, domind, and T.O.

She used to post here but not any more, very much to the relief of many.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...om-the-Ethiers&p=597791&viewfull=1#post597791

Her posts can be found by searching for her nic name at this link

http://www.forum.exscn.net/memberlist.php Search under T for The Oracle

She is anti-Tony Ortega for years. She is a Marty butt kisser on his blog. She was or still is an independent... not sure these days who is and isn't
Thank you, she seems to like Marty's new book but I've decided not to read it based on her recommendation.
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
As I alluded to, disguises disguises.....even the pale read brick houses have different colour 'shutters or whatever they are called' aqua vs white, and the ferrari's both disguised as probably lamborghini roadsters have different shades of yellow, the first being closer to goldenrod, than the other more canary yellow which is further hiding itself with the retractable roof busy hiding DM. The shadows around the houses and the automobile seem to be consistent as do the yard and even the roof and windows, , even though the angles are unique and show different portions yet the common to two photos are in different perspectives. What is really puzzling me is why is the sun room in the shade? :coolwink:

Maybe I could have DM fly me down to Ingleside by the bay to take photos , oh no wait,,,I understand he and his cohorts are, as far as I know still under a restraining order, which although is perhaps only a civil matter in TExas. Which brings up the subject of would my photo taking under payment from DM via multiple layers of lawyer and PI firms constitute sufficient evidence, of the astutely issued restraint from FURTHER harassment by Judge Dip, yield a criminal act record and go on DM and COS background check. Hmmm does DM's background check show his civil restraining order on file? Would be a great scoop if it was so and become publicly available.

Are remodeling/repainting and shooping both considered constructive arts?

Let me adjust my monitor colour settings, to match the colors that you are reporting to see if the roof and the grass will soon match.

by the way I was just looking at Marty's blog and saw this wonderful post by 'Brian' which seems more 'on topic'

***** https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/tony-ortega-the-underground-bunker/#comments

Brian | February 4, 2016 at 11:33 am | Reply
I’ll tell you who is loving this; The OSA. The dream of enturbulating the field’s go to sites

is being done by each other. Handing an upset to the OSA free of charge.

I’ll tell you how wise beings disperse darkness. They first stop demonizing each other and

resolve issues with old fashion communication and love.

If trust is broken, heal the break. Healing broken communication is something Scientology

sucks at because it creates division.

To deal a blow against the OSA and Ronbots. Resolve this issue and show the world that our

capacity to have a sane world is done by common people with common good intentions.

I don’t care whose right or wrong. I’m watching how conflict is resolved.
That’s the real issue for me, as a watcher of the scio drama.

Unless of course this is a planned ruse, creating a smoke screen for some other unknown

outcome.

Enemies, enemies enemies. Neutralize, realize and move on up a little higher.
You guys are really on the same team.

Polarizing as pro Marty, against Marty, for Tony, against Tony;

Is an old story. A story much more easy to tell than a story of conscious resolution through

the desire to have love and understanding as the outcome.

But if fighting, revenge having hurt feelings is the purpose, my words are part of the enemy.

And I am an idiot.

I pray for an adult resolution on all levels.

On the other hand, I do not know the stress of life you guys are under. And it’s easy for me

to be on the high horse when I do not really know much.

All I can do is wish you well and wish all well. This bump in the road is getting attention.

How it resolves will be a testimony to the knowledge and spiritual maturity of all involved.

Who will take the high road? Who will control the outcome? Is revenge the motive? Or is

Understanding?

**********


Or you can just compare Ferrari #1 to Ferrari #2 and house 1 to house two and reach your own conclusion.

The Ferrari's are both yellow and the Houses are both yellow and ranch style but are they exactly the same?
 

tetloj

Silver Meritorious Patron
"The Oracle" aka Marty? wrote these sad words:

How long is this cycle of action supposed to go on for her? Until Ortega has ten more scoops to report and the fragile support can see someone deliver another blow to the Church? Which as far as I know, neither of these are even her goals or purposes.

https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/tony-ortega-the-underground-bunker/

Stunning how people can criticise without taking the time to read.
In the initial post where Tony reported on the publicly available information that notice had been filed to withdraw Jeffrey and team:
If the Rathbuns wanted to settle, they were in a great position to do so, having just won the appeal, so firing the attorneys who might be able to get that settlement seems like a strange move. From a legal standpoint, this move makes little sense, our experts are telling us.

Compare and contrast.:confused2:
 

prosecco

Patron Meritorious
Stunning how people can criticise without taking the time to read.
In the initial post where Tony reported on the publicly available information that notice had been filed to withdraw Jeffrey and team:


Compare and contrast.:confused2:

The two don't conflict. Yes, Monique would have been in a good position to settle had she not fired her attorney. In other words, the timing was right, but to fire an attorney right before a major filing was due was fairly ridiculous.

As far as Marty, 'knowing what he's doing...' maybe there isn't a Plan B. Maybe yes, he really is so stupid to dump his attorney who has effectively worked pro bono for past, what 3 years for zero result.

One of the things when I left the church I promised myself I would never do, is to try to find hidden meaning or not call a spade a spade, but a gardening utensil.

Maybe there isn't any backroom dealing, Maybe Monique just fired Ray Jeffrey and that's the end of the story.
 
The two don't conflict. Yes, Monique would have been in a good position to settle had she not fired her attorney. In other words, the timing was right, but to fire an attorney right before a major filing was due was fairly ridiculous.

snipedoodah

Maybe there isn't any backroom dealing, Maybe Monique just fired Ray Jeffrey and that's the end of the story.
Or maybe it was a done deal and then she cut them loose? Why keep them on the payroll if the hatchet has been buried? Mimsey
 

prosecco

Patron Meritorious
Stunning how people can criticise without taking the time to read.
In the initial post where Tony reported on the publicly available information that notice had been filed to withdraw Jeffrey and team:


Compare and contrast.:confused2:

Or maybe it was a done deal and then she cut them loose? Why keep them on the payroll if the hatchet has been buried? Mimsey

If a settlement had been reached, and I'm not familiar with the US system, then the case would have been withdrawn rather than counsel. There probably would have been at least an announcement that both parties found a way to move forward, put the past behind them etc.

It should be kept in mind that Ray Jeffrey still gets paid if a settlement is reached.
 
Anon Mary,

" Drama Queen Catherine Zoltan posts on the internet blogs and forums as The Oracle, domind, and T.O.".

<deleted violent threats> Live it up. There is more you can do, if you set your mind to it. Give it all you've got. It's your moment. <deleted violent threats> Give your very, very best. Utterly ruin, as best you can.
 
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