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Monique reportedly fires her legal team.

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by George Layton, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    Nope, this is absolutely not the case. Tony has verified he does know what happened but can't yet report all the details he has, however, in very straightforward terms stated that there was no trump care or leverage used by the cult against the Rathbuns nor was their any secret settlement.

    Everything points to Marty not working well with others and just being a real asshole and fucking over the lawyers for stupid/selfish reasons. Marty has been attacking Tony because obviously Tony knows the truth, has agreed with the lawyers about the matter and Marty's terrible behavior. His posts have been to try and strike out and smear Tony so when the truth comes out he can try to pretend it's some terrible campaign against he and Mosey - instead of just shitty behavior by Marty and Mosey.
  2. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    I don't understand why Tony Ortega wouldn't publish what he knows.
  3. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    Probably because the best information so far has been given "off the record" by certain people. He will have to string together bits and pieces of information than can either be double sourced or given on the record by involved parties before proceeding to publish anything. As much as the cult looney tunes like to accuse Tony of being a "tabloid journalist" he in fact runs a very tight ship and is extremely careful with what he publishes.

    I'm sure what's he's heard and knows "off the record" about many aspects of the cult would blow our minds, but dealing with a monster like the CoS an editor/journalist has to be very careful and dot all their "I's" and cross their "T's."
  4. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Marty Rathbun apparently responds to the controversy.

    Marty Rathbun: Arrogance and Ignorance

    * * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

    Arrogance and Ignorance

    Posted on May 15, 2016 by Mark C. Rathbun | 5 comments

    The following passage is taken from the novel Texas Tropics.

    When I arrived Amerigo was as relaxed and content as the last time I interrupted his little fisherman’s paradise. As I pulled Lucille ashore, Amerigo grabbed my pole and turned to his shrimp bucket to bait up my line. He handed back the pole. He looked at me knowingly and said, “You’ve been busy, no?”

    I took the invitation to fill him in on my adventures. Amerigo did not show the kind of surprise or shock or wonderment you would expect any other human to exhibit in reaction to my story. When I finished, his only comment seemed to come randomly out of the blue, “Your father is wise beyond his years.”

    I wanted to say, ‘What about me almost getting killed? What about me standing up to Ramos? What about me being set up like a bowling pin? What about me standing trial with my life in the balance?’ Instead, the thing he found most interesting was the last thing I cared about at the moment. I took a deep breath. I looked out across the cove. I let my emotions settle and then calmly asked, “Oh, you mean teaching me about Zapata?”

    Amerigo smiled and shook his head in the negative.

    “Then what?”, I asked.

    Amerigo said, “He has discovered the secret of arrogance and ignorance.”

    “What do you mean?”, I asked.

    “Well, you asked him what drove him to do what you have told me most people characterize as evil, right?”, he asked.


    “And his answer was?”

    “He was too proud and too stupid”, I said. “Right, okay, too arrogant and too ignorant. And that – well, it does resonate with me.”

    “Why?”, he asked.

    “Because you can do something with it”, I said. “If he says instead, ‘it was evil’ it is like saying ‘I am evil.’ Where does that lead?”

    He asked, “Where do you think?”

    I thought out loud, “Isolation, imprisonment… Hell, I don’t know. It leads to labeling and distancing so you don’t catch any of that disease called ‘evil.’”

    “Out of sight and out of mind?”, he asked.

    “Maybe out of sight – which, I guess, is ignorance itself…and – come to think of it, arrogance too. But, I don’t think entirely out of mind.”

    Amerigo’s seemed pleased with my working it over. He continued fishing, his invitation for me to think it through some more. And I did.

    “Ok, Amerigo”, I said. “So, now I am thinking about judgment – like we talked about last time. When you judge, you use convenient labels like ‘evil’, hoping to put something or someone you don’t like out of sight and out of mind – or, at least, waaay over there.” I motioned toward the mainland with my hand for emphasis.

    Amerigo smiled. Then he carried on fishing.

    A few minutes later I added, “But the act of judging itself is an exercise in arrogance and ignorance.”

    “How so?”, he asked.

    “Arrogance…the act of judging gives one a feeling of superiority to whatever, or whoever, is being judged.”

    “And ignorance?”, he asked.

    “Judging, puts it out of sight”, I said. “Makes it no longer worthy of inspection or consideration. One makes oneself ignorant.”

    Amerigo winked at me. And in the micro second it took his eyelid to shut and open again it all came to me. I said, “And all this opens the door to resolution.”

    “Of what?”, he asked.

    “The vicious circle”, I said. “It is a dwindling process toward, well – really…evil, I guess. The more ignorance we demonstrate, the more arrogance we produce. The more arrogant we become, the more ignorant too. Finally, the arrogance is so great we feel just fine sitting in judgment of those we consider lesser than ourselves. And the ignorance is so great we resort to labeling, stereotyping and condemning so that we don’t need to exercise intelligence. We are unaware of, and – so, we don’t care about the consequences of our judgment. You know, the consequences to those we judge. “

    Amerigo was looking at me with interest.

    I said, “And so, judgment tends to create evil…out of arrogance and ignorance. Do you see, it all becomes a self-feeding circle?”

    “Yes”, he said. “And so, the resolution you spoke of?”

    “Well, what is the reverse activity of exercising arrogance and ignorance?”, I asked.

    Amerigo rolled his eyes and gave an impish smile, indicating he was going to consider the question. I was pleased. I thought maybe I had earned enough respect to ask deep questions of him and have him answer me for a change.

    “Humility and curiosity?”, he asked.

    “Right”, I said. “I had the concept but I couldn’t find the words. But, you are right on the money. And so when we feel compelled to judge, I mean in the judgmental sense – when we feel the compulsion arise to judge, label and reject…instead, maybe we hold off for a moment. Maybe we gather our wits. Maybe we exercise a little humility and a little curiosity.”

    * * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *
  5. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    This cryptic and boring yackety-yak is annoying. If the whole "novel" is written like this, I bet noone ever read it or will read it.
  6. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    Mystical cryptic stuff here :nervous:

    Anybody holds the key to decrypt ???

  7. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    As painful as his prose is, I do enjoy the irony of Marty lecturing on arrogance and ignorance, since he was the absolute prince of it for decades (I'll let DM be King).

    So now he's preaching humility and curiosity? Marty seems mighty mad about everyone's curiosity about his firing his lawyers and keeps going between veiled threats and mystical philosophicalbabble whenever commoners or journalists give voice to this wonderful curiosity. (Guess they need to humble themselves to Marty before their curiosity is acceptable?)
  8. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm really glad I didn't buy that book.:why:
  9. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    You know, I didn't pay much attention to this whole thing when it happened.

    But looking at Marty's blog the last couple of weeks...

    ...I really think that the simple explanation as to what happened with this is Rage Quit.

    His attorneys were advising him and Monique to do something. He disagreed. He got mad. He fired them.

    And that's really all that happened.

    Sounds crazy, but I know someone like that. Does this kind of shit all the time. Makes rash decisions against his own self interests based on his ego and his temper.
  10. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    I'm working on a new treatment for the book. I'm just getting some rough ideas on how to punch it up a bit.

  11. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Humm. Have you read the 10 rules of Writing by Elmore Leonard?

    Hope that helps - Mimsey the scribe
  12. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

  13. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    Some posts have been moved to the "other" thread.

    This thread is in the Legal and Government Actions Involving Scientology forum and is about Monique Rathbun's lawsuit, not Marty. Please keep it on that topic so that people interested in that subject don't have to wade through miles of drama to find what they want to read about.

    Thank you. :)