More details of DMs current management "style"

Emma

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From Chuck Beatty on ars 25th Jan 2007:

I posted on this at some length [on XSO that is], but here's a summary
for those recently arrived [on XSO].

If memory serves, I believe it was in 2003 that DM began asserting that
Exec Strata and CMO Int "had no org board" and therefore no one could
be posted, as there was no org board. This despite the fact that they
seem to have functioned for years. But it became a big deal that the
org boards and postings had to be figured out for CMOI and Exec Strata,
and proposed to DM, and approved by him. There were various attempts
then made to propose org boards and postings. all of which would
inevitably, of course, be disapproved by DM. He routinely disapproved
anyone proposed for an Exec Strata posting or a CMO Int posting. This
was routine. When I left, this had been going on for about two years. I
recently heard, from someone who left a few months ago, that it is
still going on, and in fact, some people who WERE on post when I was
there (Dave Bloomberg on MEI, Greg Hughes on GIEI) were no longer on
post. The only people officially "posted" were Guillaume on ED Int, and
Yager on CO CMOI.

But, as I also posted earlier, they are just figureheads. In the last
few years that I was there, they (and Mike Rinder) spent much of the
time on the decks, cleaning out the swamp or the septic tanks in boiler
suits. Then they were pulled off the decks for an event, cleaned up,
put in suits and made to read a DM-prepared speech off a teleprompter.
On recent events, it doesn't even look like DM is bothering to do even
that.

Then in 2004, DM got rid of most of RTC staff, sending them all to CMO
International. This included Greg and Sue Wilhere, Norman Starkey and a
host of others. About all that was left in RTC was DM's personal staff
and some Sec Checkers.

The RTC staff went to CMOI and, of course, got caught up in the
"un-posted" morass. In early 2004, DM declared the entirety of CMOI and
Exec Strata Suppressive. They were forbidden to leave the Base, and in
fact were forbidden to leave their office building. They literally
slept on their office floors for three months, never leaving the
building. And they all did their "A to Es" in a big conference room.
This was also when they started having these "group seances" which were
very, very crazy. This even trickled down to Gold and Gold held two of
them. They were brutal. Staff had to get up and "confess" their
"Suppressive Op" (operating basis) to the rest of the group. The rest
of the group heaped abuse and even at times physical violence on the
person confessing. I am not kidding or exaggerating, this was done.
Since being out, I have read of similar tactics being used in Chinese
prisons as a mind control technique. It certainly wasn't any
Scientology I ever heard of. But it was a complete, utter nightmare. I
saw people mentally and emotionally broken during these things.

On one occasion, DM played "musical chairs" with the execs. Literally
with music. And he said that anyone who didn't get a chair would be
offloaded. Fun and games, right? It drove senior executives to
desperation, and in some cases, tears.

And yes, the whole of Exec Strata and CMOI was assigned at one point to
clean out the septic tanks on the Base. For weeks.

The end result is that DM has completely de-powered any semblance of
Scientology management, and brought it under his control. There is NO
ONE who will stand up to him or challenge him. Anyone who even so much
as hints at it is gotten rid of fast. Threat, emotional abuse, and
physical abuse is the order of the day. That is how DM runs things.

That's the state of International Scientology Management. To call it
psychotic would be an insult to psychotics everywhere. And if general
Scientologists or lower level staff knew even a fraction of this, they
would desert the C of S in droves. Many already are.
 

Kookaburra

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I used to think that people who went "Scientology" = "cult" = "Jonestown massacre" were completely misinformed, paranoid nut cases, but when I hear stories like this, I'm not so sure. The level of suppression on that base is beyond anything I could have imagined existing since Hitlers concentration camps. And the reports just get worse and worse and worse.

Additionally to the above, he has ordered many of the senior execs to divorce their spouses. He has ordered any pregnant staff member to abort their child. And the horrible thing about it is that they have complied. Now they have been drilled to take part in swarming. And they have complied.

Is it possible that any of them still believe they are saving the planet, freeing mankind, or whatever their original goal in joining the Sea Org was?

The question is, who is going to snap first, DM or one of his victims.:eek:

I just hope to God that my friends who were on that base are out.
 

Whitedove

Patron Meritorious
I used to be an SO member (like 20 years ago)...my god..that long! Time goes by.
Anyhow, I did endure abuses (not physical) and it was abuse but what they are going through today is even worst than during that time. I truly dont know how they put up with this. Personnally, with the abuse I had lost the reason why I was there in the first place and was just in fear and stressed out. And I became saturated and blew. I just couldnt take it anymore and didnt care of what they would do. It could not be worst than what I had been through. I just wanted a normal life.

I dont know what is going on in their head, or how they are manipulated. I would like to be there and observe to see what drives so many SO members to stay put and endure this.

As for DM, whether some people from the inside will have to wake up and stand up to him or a big outside intervention has to happen for something to change.

Just my opinion
Whitedove
 

UMike

Patron with Honors
I used to be an SO member (like 20 years ago)...my god..that long! Time goes by.
Anyhow, I did endure abuses (not physical) and it was abuse but what they are going through today is even worst than during that time. I truly dont know how they put up with this. Personnally, with the abuse I had lost the reason why I was there in the first place and was just in fear and stressed out. And I became saturated and blew. I just couldnt take it anymore and didnt care of what they would do. It could not be worst than what I had been through. I just wanted a normal life.

I dont know what is going on in their head, or how they are manipulated. I would like to be there and observe to see what drives so many SO members to stay put and endure this.

As for DM, whether some people from the inside will have to wake up and stand up to him or a big outside intervention has to happen for something to change.

Just my opinion
Whitedove

Why they stay? It's a complex mindscrew that I can't even imagine going thru that goes on with losing eternal salvation as the icing on that cake.

Miscavige isn't going without a big fuss.
Look at it this way: You own a multimilliondollar villa overlooking a beautiful golf course in southern California. Valet-Tailor-Chef-unlimited expense account. And then they tell you to leave..?

Nah...When he leaves it won't be pretty or with any dignity.
 

Little Bear Victor

Silver Meritorious Patron
Conspiracy Theory

While I prefer to present facts, the future of Scientology is a subject that can only be guessed at. Here's my guess from today, based on the growing realization of just how much DM owns, (and a billion other factors).

Just remember, when you are reading this, it is speculation.

The actual reason DM is training up the new management to replace the current one is so that the currently in-limbo executives cannot reassume their previous posts, take over the church and (try to) salvage it. It has got nothing to do with getting more competent people on post. Matter of fact, he wants inexperienced people who will attempt to "defend the church" against the old SPs when they get offloaded. Sort of like a replay of the GO scene. You have to put something else there that will prevent their return.

DM will meanwhile go and work on his other priority which is broad public dissemination of Scientology through celebrities. He will say "hasta-la vista, baby" to the new management and say they're in charge now.

The other reason for getting inexperienced people there is that they will, within a few years, make a complete dogs breakfast out of it and crash the church.

Now, why would that be good?

Because now they are culpable, don't understand what happened so can only blame themselves. He doesn't have to face the people who know the history of the Church (or so he thinks).

And Davey has many possible escapes, depending how well or badly Scientology public repute is doing after all this. He can now "salvage Scientology" by either reassuming control of the church or "salvage LRH Tech" by pulling all Trademarks from all churches and starting anew. (Can you imagine, he would now be free to structure the movement however the hell he wants. For this, it would be handy to have a "reincarnated LRH" at hand -- which he also may be working on).

If he doesn't succeed in his personal mission of generating new public for Scientology, he has the control of all Scientology assets, so not a big deal for him. The interests from his assets will keep him going for the rest of his billion year contract.

Okay, I better end off there. It is exhausting trying to think like DM. Probably not even good for my mental health.

V
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
The actual reason DM is training up the new management to replace the current one is so that the currently in-limbo executives cannot reassume their previous posts, take over the church and (try to) salvage it.


So, what do you think will happen to these ex execs?

Is he just going to leave them in The Hall until they die?
 

Little Bear Victor

Silver Meritorious Patron
So, what do you think will happen to these ex execs?

Is he just going to leave them in The Hall until they die?

It is a big problem for DM. He probably doesn't know what to do. Perhaps he hopes that he can crack enough of them with A to E and "hell hath no fury" so he can post them on some low post and be quiet and timid about it. Most likely he would love to be able to just get rid of them, but they're currently too dangerous for his plans. So his approach remains: If it ain't broke, break it.

V
 

Div6

Crusader
It is a big problem for DM. He probably doesn't know what to do. Perhaps he hopes that he can crack enough of them with A to E and "hell hath no fury" so he can post them on some low post and be quiet and timid about it. Most likely he would love to be able to just get rid of them, but they're currently too dangerous for his plans. So his approach remains: If it ain't broke, break it.

V

Hot diggity damn.

Listen, what would it take to do a "rescue mission"? Go in with a 5 man "mission impossible" team and bring them out to a safe location? With proper planning it should be a piece of cake.....screw the razor fences, a couple of helicopters ought to do it fine.....
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
I would call this the "witch-hunt" style of management.

This style of management is guaranteed to cause "finger-pointing", "back-biting", and "cover your ass" behaviours among subordinates that are under heavy pressure and heavy SCN-style management from the top. (Then sometimes one wonders if the "emperor has no clothes"). Is one even allowed to say "cross-purposes" in that environment? I don't think so.

This style tends to discourage "team play" and turns subordinates against one-another. (But no one wants to say, or even think, that the behaviour of the person at the top is the real problem. Oh, no. You might get punished for that. So, you bite your friends/co-workers instead.)
 
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Kookaburra

Gold Meritorious Patron
It is a big problem for DM. He probably doesn't know what to do. Perhaps he hopes that he can crack enough of them with A to E and "hell hath no fury" so he can post them on some low post and be quiet and timid about it. Most likely he would love to be able to just get rid of them, but they're currently too dangerous for his plans. So his approach remains: If it ain't broke, break it.

V

I think that the people in the hall are the ones that wouldn't submissively stuff CD sleeves for years on end. They have been on senior posts for yonks, they know far too much. They are the people that are dangerous to DM. I think the only reason people like Wilhere are still there is that they do intend to salvage Scn when DM finally departs or dies. So it would have to be part of the plan to prevent this.

I think that when the new management team arrives, there will be a very public and noisy declare and expulsion of the "traitors" who have been found to be engaging in a conspiracy to undermine Scn management, have been embezzling church funds, forging LRH issues (which of course now all need to be cancelled:devil: ) etc. A real super smear job like was done on Mayo, and on Pat and Annie Broeker.

Individuals concerned will be flown to places like southern Chile, the headwaters of the Amazon, Bagdad....on a one way ticket and given no funds.

People in Scn will read these issues and be appropriately shocked and "Isn't that awful, I would never have suspected that!" and "hip hip hooray for DM for saving the day and the new management team."

I can just hear it now. Sounds like a broken record.

What to do?

Much as I love the idea of a Mission Impossible team with helicopters and AK47s, that is probably best left to the movies.

What might work is if (preferably) several ex int execs and staffers went to the Hemet police, told them what is going on in this hall, and have the police go there and bring the people out. Emphasis on bring them out. They would be so conditioned to seeing a police raid as a threat that they would not all jump up and welcome their rescuers, and the police would need to understand this. They can be brought out and held for questioning for up to 24 hours without charge, in which time they could be given a rundown on what is going on and why they have been brought out and how many SPs are concerned about them and why. And what their alternatives are. I reckon the testimony of 2 or 3 current Int execs against DM would do the trick very nicely. The story would not be new to the Hemet police. They gave Jeff Walker a police escort in to pick up his stuff and out again.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Kookaburra
 

Div6

Crusader
I think that the people in the hall are the ones that wouldn't submissively stuff CD sleeves for years on end. They have been on senior posts for yonks, they know far too much. They are the people that are dangerous to DM. I think the only reason people like Wilhere are still there is that they do intend to salvage Scn when DM finally departs or dies. So it would have to be part of the plan to prevent this.

I think that when the new management team arrives, there will be a very public and noisy declare and expulsion of the "traitors" who have been found to be engaging in a conspiracy to undermine Scn management, have been embezzling church funds, forging LRH issues (which of course now all need to be cancelled:devil: ) etc. A real super smear job like was done on Mayo, and on Pat and Annie Broeker.

Individuals concerned will be flown to places like southern Chile, the headwaters of the Amazon, Bagdad....on a one way ticket and given no funds.

People in Scn will read these issues and be appropriately shocked and "Isn't that awful, I would never have suspected that!" and "hip hip hooray for DM for saving the day and the new management team."

I can just hear it now. Sounds like a broken record.

What to do?

Much as I love the idea of a Mission Impossible team with helicopters and AK47s, that is probably best left to the movies.

What might work is if (preferably) several ex int execs and staffers went to the Hemet police, told them what is going on in this hall, and have the police go there and bring the people out. Emphasis on bring them out. They would be so conditioned to seeing a police raid as a threat that they would not all jump up and welcome their rescuers, and the police would need to understand this. They can be brought out and held for questioning for up to 24 hours without charge, in which time they could be given a rundown on what is going on and why they have been brought out and how many SPs are concerned about them and why. And what their alternatives are. I reckon the testimony of 2 or 3 current Int execs against DM would do the trick very nicely. The story would not be new to the Hemet police. They gave Jeff Walker a police escort in to pick up his stuff and out again.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Kookaburra

Oh man.....

4 Helicopters. NO AK47's!


1 Chopper with a spot light to hover near the Eagles Nest and blind them with the light.

2. Another chopper creates the diversion by dropping badgers, squirrels, and other small mammals at random places over the compound, to set off the motion detectors. Several ground teams hit the fences at different places from the outside.

3. The other 2 choppers set down, and extract everyone "in the Hall", taking them off to different safe houses, and the Witness Protection Program.


Also, anyone know who they sold Happy Vally to? Might be interesting to go in there with ground penetrating radar....
 

Little Bear Victor

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They would be so conditioned to seeing a police raid as a threat that they would not all jump up and welcome their rescuers, and the police would need to understand this.
Kookaburra

Yes Kookaburra,

I have the same concern. It may be (although after this much time not necessarily so) that the people individually think that they are messed up themselves and that the wog world will be only worse. Such is the power of suggestion and specifically one that is given repeatedly and with great impact.:duh: It would be rather courageous for the first person to walk out with the police. I believe there are other legal problems with that approach, although detaining a person without his consent is also illegal to my knowledge. Needs a legal expert, not me, to say if this would even be possible and what evidence the police would need for it to happen. Anyone know a good California attorney?

Another possibility would be to get though to Warren McShane that following DM orders is not a good career move nor condusive to future survival. He could cook up a story to tell the guards and get the whole lot out of there in one go. Again, the problem is that it would take just one person who thinks DM is right to go and blow that idea.

Overall, I think the balance of people who want to stay versus people who'd rather get out of there is about 20 to 80. It is not probably manifest and they don't allow themselves to even think that though very far due to the way you are indoctrinated, but they at least feel that something is seriously wrong and that they'd be better off somewhere else. The trick is the get them to the point where they realize they're right! Not an easy task. Anybody want to hire a helicopter so we can do a drop-off of "Wog World Newsletters" over the base?

Could just use the same weapon as DM does: propaganda.

Victor
 

Kookaburra

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yes Kookaburra,

I have the same concern. It may be (although after this much time not necessarily so) that the people individually think that they are messed up themselves and that the wog world will be only worse. Such is the power of suggestion and specifically one that is given repeatedly and with great impact.:duh: It would be rather courageous for the first person to walk out with the police.

That's why they are taken in for questioning. Don't give them that choice, so they don't need to be seen co-operating.

I believe there are other legal problems with that approach, although detaining a person without his consent is also illegal to my knowledge. Needs a legal expert, not me, to say if this would even be possible and what evidence the police would need for it to happen. Anyone know a good California attorney?

I thought a person could be held for 24 hours without charge. That is true in at least 2 countries I have lived in. Maybe it is my assumption it is true in the US. Where are the legal eagles? Maybe someone who is in Cal can just ring the police and ask them. They are sure to know.

What I was thinking was to take them in for questioning regarding some investigation. Perhaps assault and battery allegations against DM, suspected embezzelment, missing persons (Shelley M, Marty R), holding people against their will, tax deal violations, known instances of perjury etc... No shortage of possible crimes to investigate.

Hmmm...While were at it, it might be worth taking in the entire base. There are a few not in the trailer who might have something to say if they thought it was safe. Annie?

This questioning could take quite some hours, with plenty of chance for ex SO people to get their 2 cents in, pointing out what will happen if they go back to the trailer when they are released and, of course, providing the alternative...transport to LA, a place to stay, a real job, old friends.

Another possibility would be to get though to Warren McShane that following DM orders is not a good career move nor condusive to future survival. He could cook up a story to tell the guards and get the whole lot out of there in one go. Again, the problem is that it would take just one person who thinks DM is right to go and blow that idea.

Any idea how to get through to Warren? Even if he'd co-operate, what are the chances of 20 of so of the most loyal Sr Execs and lifetime SO members blowing en masse just because they can get through the gate? I don't see this happening.



Overall, I think the balance of people who want to stay versus people who'd rather get out of there is about 20 to 80. It is not probably manifest and they don't allow themselves to even think that though very far due to the way you are indoctrinated, but they at least feel that something is seriously wrong and that they'd be better off somewhere else. The trick is the get them to the point where they realize they're right! Not an easy task. Anybody want to hire a helicopter so we can do a drop-off of "Wog World Newsletters" over the base?

Could just use the same weapon as DM does: propaganda.
Victor

Not an easy task is right! Helicopters are a great idea, even if armed only with badgers, squirrels and newsletters. Only problem is that no hands go up when it comes to paying for them...Div 6, are you up for it? This is not the first time this idea has been discussed.

What might be a bit more realistic is a van with a big sign on the side and a loudspeaker, that takes to cruising by the base around lunch time a couple time a week. I've heard that sort of thing really gets attention. You can have the entire base confined to MCI for a whole afternoon if you show up at lunchtime. :neener: A few days of that and some people will maybe notice the outpoint. If you want to be really mean, show up just before lunch so they are all confined to post with no food! That would throw a few ruds out! :devil: :devil:

Seriously, though, it will take some intense one on one communication with these people. Even if some of them were to go back in, seeds do grow. Thoughts re-align with new data. "A bunch of SP's are extremely concerned about my welfare.. hmmm..where do I file that bit of info? DM's under investigation..."

Did you know that fact net is gathering info on crimes in the CoS? There is a questionaire, probably somewhere on this board. Maybe liaise with them. Lovinglife625 is someone you should be talking to.

I really hope something comes of this. There's been a lot of talk but thus far little action other than putting data on the internet and waiting for SO members to blow or get declared. And of course making the data broadly known so new people don't get caught up in it. Starving them of raw meat, so to speak. Better than nothing but I'd some to see something a bit more pro-active.

Regards,

Kookaburra
 

Div6

Crusader
Not an easy task is right! Helicopters are a great idea, even if armed only with badgers, squirrels and newsletters. Only problem is that no hands go up when it comes to paying for them...Div 6, are you up for it?

Kookaburra

I'm up for it. I see copter rentals out of SD and Van Nuys....hopefully we can find something closer.

We could even brush off the old "Stomp the Squirrels" campaign, and update it with DM as the lead nutter....
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
I like the idea of doing something about them, instead of just talk.

I'm willing to donate 50 $ for such an action, providing the planned action it is not against any law. Just PM me a paypal account.

Also I really appreciate those ex-scn who offers help to people that just got out, like an initial place to stay and orientation in the real world.

Thank you.

M
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
I like the idea of doing something about them, instead of just talk.

I'm willing to donate 50 $ for such an action, providing the planned action it is not against any law. Just PM me a paypal account.

Also I really appreciate those ex-scn who offers help to people that just got out, like an initial place to stay and orientation in the real world.

Thank you.

M

The most straightforward and *legal* measure that anyone can take to 'free' the hostages of Scientology is to take their Cult away from them.

This goes for mere deluded 'members' but also for the actual prisoners in various 'halls' and 'camps' and 'RPFs'.

We are not the government or the police and have very little power to open the walls and chains of Scientology, but, we *do* have the ability to significantly expose the nature of the Cult to the point where public outcry forces the *real* police to act.

So, I think an investment in freeing Keith Henson is probably the best investment of $50 that you could make.

http://www.operatingthetan.com/HensonSummary-GEBerry-2007-07-27.pdf

Zinj
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
Keith Henson

Thank you Zinj for the advice. I's very easy to help Keith with Paypal.
http://www.operatingthetan.com/
_____________________

This is Arel answering from Keith's account. Thank you very much for your contribution to Keith's defense. We are still trying to find ways to get him out before then, but currently we hope to see him on September 3. He wants the date publicized so there will be protest if he is not released as planned. If you want to get in touch with me, please email me at [email protected]

Thank you again for your support and concern.

Arel
_____________________

M
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

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DM's Previous Incarnations

I was over at Google taking a look at the info about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and was trying to decide which one of them was the previous incarnation of DM. Would anyone like to contribute to this quest?

I'm sort of tending of think he was Joseph Smith, although Brigham Young was quite the brute. More about this after I do more research.
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
I was over at Google taking a look at the info about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and was trying to decide which one of them was the previous incarnation of DM. Would anyone like to contribute to this quest?

I'm sort of tending of think he was Joseph Smith, although Brigham Young was quite the brute. More about this after I do more research.

See: Wormtongue

Zinj
 
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