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AnonOrange

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Question for Zinj

Hey Zinj,

When you first poked your nose in this thread, you claimed that the E-Meter responded to the GSR effect.

Can you explain why this effect is about 95% gone when the cans are underwater? The skin has not been breached. No needles, no tricks.

Hmmmm?

I noticed you do a whole lot of complaining, but not too much predicting and explaining!
 

nw2394

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Hey Paul is it possible to run two C-Meters on the PC? What do the cans connect to? Some kind of Analog board with defined channels? USB?

This would be a great set up for your tests. You would then isolate out the Clarity meter's dynamics.

It is a wheatstone bridge the same as the rest - with an ADC chip that feeds the serial port at 300Hz - or you can use the USB port with a RS232 converter. Ralph thought about using the power off the USB but abandoned it because it would have needed an additional voltage regulator - so the c-meter has its own battery.

The software on the laptop takes care of everything else.

Nick
 

AnonOrange

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It is a wheatstone bridge the same as the rest - with an ADC chip that feeds the serial port at 300Hz - or you can use the USB port with a RS232 converter. Ralph thought about using the power off the USB but abandoned it because it would have needed an additional voltage regulator - so the c-meter has its own battery.

The software on the laptop takes care of everything else.

Nick

Good, so I also assume the C-Meter software allows you to select which COM port to use. Therefore, with another ADC adapter, it would be easy to run two E-Meters on one PC.

Cool. Exact same dynamics, recorded waveform, neat display!
 
The neurology of yawning

And what about yawning?

Don't in any way want to derail this thread, but thought this was interesting.
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The Yawn Explained: It Cools Your Brain
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Dec. 15, 2008 -- If your head is overheated, there's a good chance you'll yawn soon, according to a new study that found the primary purpose of yawning is to control brain temperature.

The finding solves several mysteries about yawning, such as why it's most commonly done just before and after sleeping, why certain diseases lead to excessive yawning, and why breathing through the nose and cooling off the forehead often stop yawning.

The key yawn instigator appears to be brain temperature.

"Brains are like computers," Andrew Gallup, a researcher in the Department of Biology at Binghamton University who led the study, told Discovery News. "They operate most efficiently when cool, and physical adaptations have evolved to allow maximum cooling of the brain."

He and colleagues Michael Miller and Anne Clark analyzed yawning in parakeets as representative vertebrates because the birds have relatively large brains, live wild in Australia, which is subject to frequent temperature swings, and, most importantly, do not engage in contagious yawning, as humans and some other animals do.

Contagious yawning is thought to be an evolved mechanism for keeping groups alert so they "remain vigilant against danger," Gallup said.

For the study, the scientists exposed parakeets to three different conditions: increasing temperature, high temperature and a moderate control temperature. While the frequency of yawns did not increase during the latter two conditions, it more than doubled when the researchers increased the bird's ambient temperature.

A paper on the findings has been accepted for publication in the journal Animal Behavior.

"Based on the brain cooling hypothesis, we suggest that there should be a thermal window in which yawning should occur," Gallup said. "For instance, yawning should not occur when ambient temperatures exceed body temperature, as taking a deep inhalation of warm air would be counterproductive. In addition, yawning when it is extremely cold may be maladaptive, as this may send unusually cold air to the brain, which may produce a thermal shock."

The parakeets yawned as predicted.
It's now believed yawning operates like a radiator for birds and mammals.

If air in the atmosphere is cooler than brain and body temperatures, taking it in quickly cools facial blood that, in turn, cools the brain and may even alter blood flow. Prior studies reveal yawning leads to a heightened state of arousal, so a morning yawn may function somewhat like a cup of coffee in providing a jolt of energy.

The new findings also explain why tired individuals often yawn, since both exhaustion and sleep deprivation have been shown to increase deep brain temperatures, again prompting a yawn-driven cool down. Yawning additionally appears to facilitate transitional states of the brain, such as going from sleep to waking periods.

Gordon Gallup, Jr., a State University of New York at Albany psychologist, did not work on the study, but, as Andrew Gallup's father, paid close attention to the research. The senior Gallup also happens to be a leading expert on the science of yawning and other widespread evolved traits.

"It is interesting to note that instances of excessive yawning in humans may be indicative of brain cooling problems," Gallup, Jr., told Discovery News, pointing out that patients with multiple sclerosis often experience bouts of excessive yawning "and MS involves thermoregulatory dysfunction."

"Bouts of excessive yawning often precede the onset of seizures in epileptic patients, and predict the onset of headaches in people who suffer from migraines," he added.

In the future, researchers may focus more on brain temperature and its role in diseases and their symptoms. But the new study on yawning changes the popular notion that yawns are mere signs of boredom.

On the contrary, as Gallup said, "yawning more accurately reflects a mechanism that maintains attention, and therefore should be looked at as a compliment!"

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Dulloldfart

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What a load of old cock. Why do it on parakeets? I thought they were going to say they put thermocouples in their brains to measure the temperature there and then fried them or something, but all they did was raise the ambient temperature. They might as well have theorized that yawning was a way to cool down your dick. (Not yours, S & L).

Paul
 
With or without rubs

Thanks, seeing as how I don't have one! I'm sure the female budgies don't have them either! Why should they fry the brains of lots of beautiful little budgies, and get the animal rights people down on them? They had the parameters of their test and they did it in the least harmful way. Note the difference between human and primate social sympathy yawning, and the birdie yawns. Serves a broader purpose when we do it, evidently. I think in humans, part of it is just entrainment. :)
 

nw2394

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Good, so I also assume the C-Meter software allows you to select which COM port to use. Therefore, with another ADC adapter, it would be easy to run two E-Meters on one PC.

Cool. Exact same dynamics, recorded waveform, neat display!

Yes, you can select the COM port in the software - never tried running two instances of the software simultaneously - it would crucify an old laptop - there is some fairly sophisticated high frequency bypass filtering to get rid of the noise from the analogue to digital conversion. More modern ones could probably cope OK.

Nick
 

Dulloldfart

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One big problem is having two C-meters! Why would anyone have two, apart from Ralph and a local distributor maybe?

Paul
 
Sympathy Yawning

quote- "Caught My Yawn? Aren't You Sweet
Posted Sep 11, 07 3:19 AM CDT in World, Arts & Living, Science & Health

(Newser Summary) – If you yawn when someone nearby does, it may mean you're an empathetic person, a new study has found. Research shows that infectious yawning is a psychological phenomenon, limited to humans and some of their ape relatives, and that those more likely to "catch" yawns appear to be more tuned in to the emotions of others.

Scientists stuck volunteers in a waiting room while an undercover researcher yawned. Then participants were asked to record emotions expressed in pictures of people's eyes. Those who scored highest on the empathy test were also the most susceptible to contagious yawning. Neurological imaging has shown that the same area of the brain is involved when someone reacts to a yawn and when considering others.
—Colleen Barry Source: BBC" -endquote

Can we get a vid of you on the meter experiementing with yawning, Paul, and see what the needle does? TA for the thread, either way.
 

Dulloldfart

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Can we get a vid of you on the meter experiementing with yawning, Paul, and see what the needle does? TA for the thread, either way.

Maybe. The one or two times I tried it in the past there was no obvious correlation. What would be new this time is that because of the automatic TA handling of the C-meter I don't have to look at the needle at all once it is all set up and rolling, so I wouldn't get distracted by it in the least. I would have to find something I could get some charge out of, but I guess I could do that.

What is interesting is that Hubbard expressly told an auditor to IGNORE TA motion that occurred during yawning as it was "body motion." It might be interesting to do a short session if, as I say, I can find something that is hot to some extent.

Paul
 

AnonOrange

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I've wondered why people and animals yawn for DECADES. It didn't seem to serve any evolutionary advantage and most animals, even reptiles do it. I had come to accept that it was some kind of evolutionary software bug that didn't really affect reproduction (except for the girl that walks out on dinner when you yawn on the first date), but I just assumed it got passed on anyway.

But why would your brain heat up in a boring lecture or when you're really tired?

A good thing to try is when you feel like yawning, eat something cold and keep it on you palate to cool down the brain. I'll try it next time!

Contrarily, drinking hot coffee or tea should make you yawn, but it doesn't.
 
Discovering the tech of yawn therapy!

Well, yawning is body motion, but I think there is more to it than just that (in terms of reading the meter). I think it does release some charge, fire up your neurons, or something. It changes your neurochemistry in some way, I just saw a lecture on the brain that covered this somewhat. The Dr. was saying that yawning was good for you, kept your brain young/functioning better or something, as shown in PET scans. I'm trying to find a transcript online. He advised yawning as a therautic practice.

I got started thinking about this because of your different breathing in metab testing vids, + discussion. When you hold your breath, it raises blood pressure and tweaks your adrenals, etc. So I was wondering what yawning would do. There are some practices that have you alter your breathing pattern to get into altered states. A floating needle is just a mild alpha state (relaxed and comfortable), isn't it? Or am I totally wrong about this?

If you can do it Paul, on a C meter, I think it would be fascinating to see if yawns "read", as you are releasing charge. It's just a suggestion. I've had my students stretch and yawn in class in unison, as a group exercise, (like the seventh inning stretch) and it always brightens them up before a quiz or math. O.K. Paul, I know you're a Big Thetan and all OT and that, but surely you can find some subject or event that is a little bit hot for you still? :coolwink:
 

Dulloldfart

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OK, here's a video of a genuine, metered Rub & Yawn session. Genuine in the sense that I didn't fake any of it, but normally Rub & Yawn sessions aren't metered at all. I had a sheet of foam board in front of my face so I could see the left half of the screen showing the PaulsRobot command-sheet pages, but not the right side of the screen showing the meter dial. It's a C-meter, so I didn't need to be able to see it to adjust anything, and in fact didn't see the dial at all until after the session.

The entire session was 32 minutes, but I chopped off the start of the session and the first item (pair of items) I tried as it wasn't charged; and eleven minutes out of the middle too in order to keep the whole video within ten minutes. I didn't edit out anything of different character to what is still shown. The wobbling is my rubbing moving the table a bit.

The process will probably be unfamiliar. I chose it because the commands are simple for the viewer to understand, and there was a possibility I could find something to run that would be a bit charged still. It is my NotTooShabbyPower module at www.paulsrobot.com. The commands are similar to those used in Rising Scale Processing in regular Scn, but there are about 60 more pairs one can process. If one wishes — there is no requirement to do them all, or follow any pre-determined sequence. It's a Rub & Yawn procedure, so while rubbing one gets the idea of the negative pole, the lower of the two, and gets a yawn off. Then one pushes the idea upscale as high as one can get it to the positive pole, the upper one of the pair, and gets a yawn off that one, then back to the lower one again.

The regular Super Power process, I believe, requires one to get the concept of the absolute top of the scale, which is REAL hard to do. That's why I called it "NotTooShabbyPower", as it includes commands that are similar but watered down a bit so it's possible to actually execute them! (See my long technical critique at http://www.fzglobal.org/superpower.htm of what is called "Super Power" on the Net while I was auditing it.)

The audio commands from the PaulsRobot pages have been muted too, although I could hear them via headphones in the session. I edited out the beginning and eleven minutes from the middle of the session so it would fit within the ten minutes, but no other material changes have been made and the character of the session has been preserved. It wasn't a heavy session, but I was pleased to find some genuine charge to dissipate for the demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Zi_EesFWo

Paul
 

Dulloldfart

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Everything OK there Paul?

This last post and video has me worried! Really.

Why? I had a great time, and I thought the video was quite illustrative. It would have been better if I had some fearsome accident I could reduce, all blood and guts and agonized trauma, with twenty huge yawns in as many minutes, but I don't have any of that left that I can find.

Paul
 

AnonOrange

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Why? I had a great time, and I thought the video was quite illustrative. It would have been better if I had some fearsome accident I could reduce, all blood and guts and agonized trauma, with twenty huge yawns in as many minutes, but I don't have any of that left that I can find.

I don't see the purpose of the Rub & Yawn stuff, your words about energy, the cosmos, the correlation with the meter. I really don't get any of this and I must say, it seems even more spaced out than scientology.

There may be some more of us that have no clue either. Would you be so kind as to explain in a few paragraphs what the objective is, what's the science behind it, what's expected and how reliable are the results?

For example you state: "I was pleased to find some genuine charge to dissipate for the demonstration." What charges? What kind of energy are you talking about? How can we tell that the meter's movement has anything to do with this charge dissipation. How do you know that it's not again just you affecting the electrodes with your grip/sweat?

I must however commend you for placing a piece of foam over your face to block the view of the meter, which could cause you to have an ideometer effect. What kind of electrodes were you using?
 
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Dulloldfart

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I don't see the purpose of the Rub & Yawn stuff, your words about energy, the cosmos, the correlation with the meter. I really don't get any of this and I must say, it seems even more spaced out than scientology.

There may be some more of us that have no clue either. Would you be so kind as to explain in a few paragraphs what the objective is, what's the science behind it, what's expected and how reliable are the results?

For example you state: "I was pleased to find some genuine charge to dissipate for the demonstration." What charges? What kind of energy are you talking about? How can we tell that the meter's movement has anything to do with this charge dissipation. How do you know that it's not again just you affecting the electrodes with your grip/sweat?

I must however commend you for placing a piece of foam over you fact to block the view of the meter, which could cause you to have an ideometer effect. What kind of electrodes were you using?

I'm using fingertip electrodes on my left hand, with my hand resting on a soft towel for comfort and so that I don't move it around. My right hand I use to click the mouse and most of the rest of the time rub my chest, arms, legs etc. You can see the table moving as I do that, as my left arm is resting on it, and my left arm is connected to the rest of my body. The rubbing is quite vigorous.

As for what I think is the theory behind it, it's not really worthwhile me explaining it here. Even most Scientologists think it's weird. :). I cover it succinctly in this two-minute video, but again, I mostly developed the theory after finding that the practical procedure worked, not the other way around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWcWHVDv1o

The general objective, as shown in that video above, is to discharge the "heavy sticky energy" from mental images. You can ask what science even shows the existence of "heavy sticky energy" and I couldn't tell you. It's just my way of explaining the phenomena of how it subjectively appears. You can say it's all bullshit, but it does happen that people get really stuck in various incidents and have a real hard time shaking them off and even then it's only temporary until the next time they get heavily reminded of them and then they get mired down again. It's not the same as thinking of a pleasant outing last month, for example, where you can think of it, maybe smile as you relive some of the happy times there, then you are free to think of something else entirely. With the "heavy sticky" stuff, you are NOT free to think of something else. The scene stays with you, sometimes for hours, and it can be very hard to shake it off. Watch the video a few times and you'll get the idea, especially as there are likely to be similar events in your own life to relate to. It's only two minutes long.

What's expected is that IF (big "if") you follow the instructions then you will be able to discharge this stuff to a lesser or greater extent. How reliable is it? Dunno. If you're short of sleep or drunk or hungry or can't get the yawn mechanism rolling it won't work too well. There's no guarantee. But it's mostly free, so if you want to try it at your own risk, go for it. If you don't, then don't. There are 65+ testimonials at www.yawnguy.com, many from ESMB people that I've never met. Of those 65+, I've actually met only one of them, and don't have a clue who most of them are.

I can't prove the meter movement has anything to do with any of it. Before I made the video I actually didn't know how the needle would correlate at all to what was going on in the session. Well, I had some idea from regular Scn auditing, but a Rub & Yawn session is not normally done metered at all, and I didn't have a bunch of experience here to draw on. In general terms, it was not unexpected at all. At least, not unexpected to someone who's done a lot of metered auditing. At the outset the needle started off tight, hardly moving at all, with the TA at 3.1. At the end of the session, 20 minutes later, the TA was 2.4, the needle was loose and F/Ning, and I felt better. There had been some TA movement during the session (i.e. the TA showed as 2.6, 2.5, 2.6, 2.5, 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 etc.). I didn't feel bad at the start, but felt even better at the end. You could explain the TA moving from 3.1 at the start to 2.4 at the end by saying it was "sweat," but how about that 2.5, 2.6, 2.5, 2.4 motion? Sweating and unsweating over a few seconds? And how about the needle being stuck at the beginning and loose at the end? Are you going to go on about your micro-twitches again?

And what about that sudden needle motion down near the beginning when I accidentally knock the board down? It's only a light foam board, so there was no physical damage, but I was startled by it, especially as I could have knocked over my expensive webcam too, and it showed a moment later on the meter. I didn't move my left hand. Do you think my micro-twitches would show such a huge jump there, considering I'm wearing finger electrodes (wrapped around fingertips as per earlier C-meter videos)? I couldn't make that much of a difference in TA if I squeezed a can with all my fingertips as hard as I could from a normal grip.

The cosmos stuff was just how I was looking at things. The process involved getting the idea of infinite energy, so I was imagining myself as a star or galaxy emitting giant energy fluxes. As I said, if I was hung up over some chick who dumped me or a car accident or something I would have used something more down to earth like that, but I don't have any things like that left. Not this lifetime, anyway. :)

Anyway, explain it all away however you wish. :)

Paul
 
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