More on Brian Culkin and the Lynch Mob

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Do these similarities mean that Brian is willing to make things right like Kim did? Is he willing to make a statement that he was coerced and detailing exactly how, if that is the case?

Edit: But then he must have been lying in his declaration which he said was true. He said HE APPROACHED THEM and that EVERYTHING in the declaration was true. The man is a liar. The question is if he was lying a few days ago or now or just all the time.

I bet went a Judge sees the word Scientology on a case he or she is scheduled to preside over, the first thing they say is ...

'Shit, when I was putting myself through law school, aspiring to be a judge, I wasn't expecting to end up hosting the Jerry Springer Show'

 

[i'mglib]

I miss the original intent of Anonymous. The lulz.

When things became "serious business", many of the lulzy guys and gals went other places, and a lot was lost methinks.

Dexter made a pertinent comment on my blog about the whole "we are at war"-thing that seems to instill drama on many sides of this table. To the point where human decency is relegated to peace times. Because WE ARE AT WAR. Etc.

If I only could bring the lulzy back to the sandbox...

Crap, I was too late and the party had turned sour when I got out of the church.

This post made me think back to those days. There were a lot of lulz, but there were also a lot of brutal attacks on good people. It was like walking a field of land mines in some ways, and I don't miss that at all. Some of the most relentless, cruel trolls ever lurked the old enturbulation board, and that was not fun. The 70 page thread of photoshops of DM was fun, the videos, and gifs, and protests with costumes and themes...that was fun. The cruelty...not fun.

 

[Purple Rain]

I don't know how far the similarities between Brian's and Kim's situations extend, Purple Rain. I was commenting on what a good story Kim's was and how it filled in a lot of holes for me regarding that event that I knew only the broadest strokes about.

TG1

Yes, I knew that TG1. But I have Isene on ignore so I couldn't answer anything he posted. I was just thinking out loud really. I know she is Arnie's friend and I'm glad they made up but I still find it pathetic. I was in two cults and I would have called the damn police rather than open that door. I did have them on my doorstep staking out my house and when they pushed their way in and told me I'd have to call the police to get them to leave which would result in my SP declare I called the damn police. I just find it incomprehensible and I was in the same cult. I know not everybody reacts the same way and the problem was she wasn't fully out - but then I wasn't either. I just think it's weak. But if Arnie can have compassion and forgiveness it's no skin off my nose. I don't understand though. I really don't.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I know that, and I don't like it, but he did what any lawyer would advise. I once took an intro to law course. The teacher, a lawyer asked this question - you just ran over a person, you look into the rear view mirror and see he is still alive squirming on the ground - what should you do? The class almost to a person said get out and help him. The lawyer said we were all wrong - you should put in reverse and make sure he's dead. He listed off several reasons, amoung them that it was an act of kindness - sparing the person a life of pain asnd suffering.

Things aren't always what you think they are.

Mimsey

So your point would be that lawyers give really bad, dumb advice?

 

[TG1]

Purple Rain,

If you read Kim's story (linked above), you'd see she DID call the police. But the police never came.

TG1

 

[Purple Rain]

I bet went a Judge see the word Scientology on a case he or she is scheduled to preside over, the first thing they say is ...

'Shit, when I was putting myself through law school, aspiring to be a judge, I wasn't expecting to end up hosting the Jerry Springer Show'

Well, when you look at what they put those poor Supreme Court judges through during the Snow White trials I think the Jerry Springer Show is the least of their worries especially the last guy half dead from the stress. Or other judges that end up with dead pets in the swimming pool.

 

[Purple Rain]

Purple Rain,

I you read Kim's story (linked above), you'd see she DID call the police. But the police never came.

TG1

Oh, I read it too quickly obviously. But I still scared the shit out of them.... The guy wasn't even there by the time the police arrived and he was scared I would hit him. Lol! And me just a girly girl with not a clue how to hit.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

This post made me think back to those days. There were a lot of lulz, but there were also a lot of brutal attacks on good people. It was like walking a field of land mines in some ways, and I don't miss that at all. Some of the most relentless, cruel trolls ever lurked the old enturbulation board, and that was not fun. The 70 page thread of photoshops of DM was fun, the videos, and gifs, and protests with costumes and themes...that was fun. The cruelty...not fun.

The cult never recovered from those days, and to think it started with a silly Tom Cruise video that the cult was way too stupid and way too arrogant to just let go.

Now the Scientology Brand is nothing more than a punchline to a joke

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Well, when you look at what they put those poor Supreme Court judges through during the Snow White trials I think the Jerry Springer Show is the least of their worries especially the last guy half dead from the stress. Or other judges that end up with dead pets in the swimming pool.

Scientology is like dealing with a drug cartel, but instead of selling drugs they are selling stupid. The good news is these days the vast majority of media consumers love to be entertained by dysfunctional freak shows, and when it comes to dysfunctional freak shows, Scientology delivers.

 

[PirateAndBum]

I know that, and I don't like it, but he did what any lawyer would advise. I once took an intro to law course. The teacher, a lawyer asked this question - you just ran over a person, you look into the rear view mirror and see he is still alive squirming on the ground - what should you do? The class almost to a person said get out and help him. The lawyer said we were all wrong - you should put in reverse and make sure he's dead. He listed off several reasons, amoung them that it was an act of kindness - sparing the person a life of pain asnd suffering.

Things aren't always what you think they are.

Mimsey

They also aren't as some tell you they should be either!

Perhaps said driver should have consulted the person and asked if that'd be ok? Hang on a second, could you please sign this release and then I'll finish you off. Why back up and run him over - hell, get the rifle out and put a bullet in his head... hmmm, I dunno...

 

[Lulu Belle]

Few people seem to think it's important, but I still can't figure out why Rinder referred Johnson to use as an attorney for Culkin, if Johnson had been a cult attorney.

Hmmm...good question.

 

[TG1]

Hmmm...good question.

Maybe he's a good lawyer.

TG1

 

[Sindy]

I am not pinning this on a Scientology background. What I am saying is that this shows in no uncertain terms that there is no visible difference with people handling such a situation even after years and years of auditing and training.

Correct. In addition, the Yoga and meditative "in the zone" states also did not seem to bring about sober reflection on Brian's part either. So where do we go from here on this thought trajectory? The bottom line is that personal integrity, the value of one's word, dependability...these things can't be bought. One decides to either have these qualities or decides not to. That's all.

I have heard several people say lately that "Everyone has their price." No, everyone does NOT have their price.

 

[Isene]

Correct. In addition, the Yoga and meditative "in the zone" states also did not seem to bring about sober reflection on Brian's part either. So where do we go from here on this thought trajectory? The bottom line is that personal integrity, the value of one's word, dependability...these things can't be bought. One decides to either have these qualities or decides not to. That's all.

I have heard several people say lately that "Everyone has their price." No, everyone does NOT have their price.

I am completely with you on this.

 

[Isene]

This post made me think back to those days. There were a lot of lulz, but there were also a lot of brutal attacks on good people. It was like walking a field of land mines in some ways, and I don't miss that at all. Some of the most relentless, cruel trolls ever lurked the old enturbulation board, and that was not fun. The 70 page thread of photoshops of DM was fun, the videos, and gifs, and protests with costumes and themes...that was fun. The cruelty...not fun.

This I agree with.

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Maybe he's a good lawyer.

TG1

The main point of Culkin interfering with the Garcia case, is that an attorney (Johnson) recommended for him by Rinder -- to get his money back from CoS -- is the same one who has only having side involvement on the Garcia case, but who could derail it. Don't you see the irony here?

 

[Sindy]

There aren't very many, but certain things are totally black and white, such as giving a cult $350,000 within a year of joining it makes you a moron, that is about as Black and White as it gets. Why anyone would expect him to suddenly act as if his IQ rose above room temperature is beyond me. I'm actually surprised he managed to get his money back even if the IRS requires the cult to give it back to him, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if some other con man ends up with it in a few months.

See, this is the kind of comment that irks me. You can call him a moron for giving $350,000 but to say that it's totally black and white that he was a moron is not true. The facts seem to be that he comes from some money and relatively speaking, $350K may not seem as much to him as it seems to someone else without that wherewithal. Just because someone is trusting of a supposedly caring organization and trusting of people who have been trained within an inch of their lives to have communication skills that make them seem more interested than most people have usually encountered, doesn't necessarily make that person a moron. If that's the case, we were ALL morons. If you want to go that route, then why is Brian any different?

 

[Lulu Belle]

Maybe he's a good lawyer.

TG1

Yeah, I thought of that. He probably IS a good lawyer.

 

[Lulu Belle]

....$350K may not seem as much to him as it seems to someone else without that wherewithal...

....which makes the whole debacle even worse.

 

[Sindy]

....which makes the whole debacle even worse.

and then there's that, yes.....for that reason, it would seem it would not have been as much of a hardship for him to hold off and continue to be part of the better team.....