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More Scn denials in Oz

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by wizardofoz, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. wizardofoz

    wizardofoz Patron

    From the Sydney Morning Herald letters page today:

    Greens MP's claims about Scientology denied
    You quote John Kaye's statement to Parliament about the former Scientology leader Marty Rathbun (''Intimidating and violent: defector'', December 2). Mr Rathbun was removed from his position related to legal and public relations matters in the US in 1993, after having inexplicably deserted his post. He later returned and worked his way back into legal affairs.

    By 2002 his malfeasance became apparent and he was removed from any position of executive authority. The internal investigation leading to his removal also revealed incidents when he had physically attacked colleagues as an intimidation method. When he left the church in December 2004, he was working in its carpentry mill in Florida.

    The church has no interest in disparaging former members. In the five years since Mr Rathbun's departure, we have never had anything negative to say about him, privately or publicly. But we now have to relay the facts surrounding his removal from his ecclesiastical position, because of media reports based on his inaccurate statements.

    His allegations about David Miscavige, the ecclesiastical leader of Scientology, are contrary to previous statements Mr Rathbun has made. In 2000 he said ''vicious, uniformly offensive'' attacks on Mr Miscavige were the work of individuals who sought to take over the church.

    The church similarly denies Dr Kaye's allegations about its policy on abortions. The church does not condone or recommend abortion to anyone. Numerous sworn statements from Australian-based staff who have had children while in the Sea Organisation will confirm this.

    Church staff, including Sea Organisation members, volunteer their time for the satisfaction of helping people and contributing to achieving the aims of Scientology. Material gain is not their motivation. Staff may leave without threat or punishment. Over the years many have done so, and some later rejoined.

    The allegations made by Mr Rathbun have been documented as false by his own statements and by others. The church in Australia has also been the subject of unproven allegations from a few disgruntled former members. They are hearsay and embellished stories and can be shown to be false.

    Reverend Vicki Dunstan President, Church of Scientology Australia, Dundas
  2. Chess

    Chess Patron with Honors

    Oh geeze...
    anyone got a paper bag?
  3. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    Heh....And some still think that Rathbun has been doing our cause a favour. :duh:
  4. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Yeah - I don't know how that woman lives with herself.
  5. Zhent

    Zhent Leakus Maximus

    Oh now wouldn't we love to see this...

    Of course, sworn statements from ex-members saying it DID happen is irrelevant because they are clearly lying and have an agenda, right Vicki?
  6. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    She absolutely flat out lies.
  7. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    The best part about this is:

    It's taken OSA how long to get this published?

    Dr John Kaye spoke out how long ago?

    Why the comm lag, Vick?
  8. wizardofoz

    wizardofoz Patron

    And here is a reply in today's SMH...

    Scientology not so tame from close-up

    Scientology's protestations (Letters, December 29) are predictable. Members of my family are, unfortunately, adherents of this crowd and I have overheard the explanations given on the phone to the frequent callers who ring to inquire about who is visiting and why, and the increasingly harassing calls made when family members have said they cannot attend functions or give money.

    I once took more 70 calls in two hours when I told them to stop ringing because I was waiting for news of a dying friend.

    Vicki Dunstan can say all she likes about the complaints being "unproven allegations from a few disgruntled former members" but this behaviour on the part of a so-called church is abusive and controlling. It has nothing to do with faith.

    Jennifer Saunders Bungendore
  9. Cherished

    Cherished Silver Meritorious Patron

  10. Kutta

    Kutta Silver Meritorious Patron

    "Ecclesiastical leader" and "Reverend Vicki". Give me a break! This blatant PR BS aligning of Sci with religion, with religions that garner some respect, really riles me.
  11. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron


    Unlike the TRUTH that CofS speaks :mudkip:

    The church claims to have 250,000 followers in Australia, even though in the 2001 census
    only 2000 gave their religion as Scientology.

    "We have been in this building for 30 years and we need to expand as we have so many people coming in here now,"
    said Vicki Dunstan, president of Scientology Australia. May 6, 2007
  12. dontscamme

    dontscamme Patron Meritorious

    I definitely agree.

    I would like to see the CoS stripped of its religious cloaking worldwide and recognized for the abusive, money-worshipping cult that it is.

    Matthew 6:24 - Bible in Basic English

  13. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    This stand being repeated!

    Bravo Jennifer!! :thumbsup:
  14. Illegal Alien

    Illegal Alien Patron with Honors

    Reverend Vicki Dunstan President, Church of Scientology Australia, Dundas.
    Okay Reverend I must ask this.
    How long will false PR keep the truth from coming out.
    I mean Reverend the thing that alarms me hear is, inside deep inside well hidden away from the media YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH in the above mentioned article.
    Does it not wave flags for you that you have to do this.???:confused2:
    These are real stories being told, real experiences and YOU know it.
    Sleep well.
  15. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Gold Meritorious Patron

    Another foot bullet

    I think Vicki Dunstan done shot herself.
  16. ScudMuffin

    ScudMuffin Silver Meritorious Patron

    The old 'No U!' argument. Doesn't wash at all really.
  17. slimjim

    slimjim Patron with Honors

    Besides which, is she actually even a reverend? Has she been ordained? (quite honestly even if she did in the CoS, it means diddly), But it would be cool if she was not even a minister but jus a plane ole VM (Volunteer Minister)

    Anybody know anything about this? Did she do the minister's course? Does she give "de Sinday Services"?
  18. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    So, any negative statement or assertion about Rathbun is now automatically true? Even when it comes from a provable liar like this C of $ spokesdroid ? Even when it appears in the midst of a multitude of provable lies ? :duh:

    Are you *sure* ? :no:

    Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
    I am *not* anonymous. I *do* forgive.