Those clears that you met Veda first had to agree that they had a reactive mind in the first place. Hubbard came up with the whole concept it wasn't something that any of us came up with on our own. We first had to buy into all of it to. So if you look at it from an auditing viewpoint that is the basic on the chain that we all bought into the idea of a reactive mind so in fact we created it right then and there. Which intern began the seemingly endless cycle of getting rid of what we just agreed to have. BTs is another example of something that has to be agreed upon to exist. Because we are "immortal beings" that don't even exist in this realty. We are plugged in and running these bodies, none of it real its all deception and perception.
That's cool. My exit from Scientology began long ago when I began to notice the hypnotic power that Hubbard - and his words - had over Scientologists.
As for the existence of a subconscious mind, or etheric bric and brac floating around a person's space, etc., these are old ideas that Hubbard P.T. Barnumized, and sold.
My point is mainly that there's no occasion in Scientology where Hubbard tells Scientologists that he was having a joke on them, at their expense. Some of these explanations, that I've seen in various places, make it seem as though Hubbard was finally "fessing up," when he never did.