My Deposition:

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Thank you fIn. You have my highest admiration and respect.

Lynn

Note to OSA: This is the main thread I was following on enturb before it got taken down. If you paid money to have that done, it was a waste, since if people are interruped before they've said everything they want to say, the conversation will just pop up somewhere else.

Me too Lynn, that's why I pasted it over here. This is one brave lady, and her story is an ongoing example of the criminal aspects of scio.
 

EP - Ethics Particle

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The "History" channel...

Does anyone know what happened to or with "formerlyIN"? :confused2:

I had a fair amount of comm with her on Ecscn Kids and followed her here after "inturb" tanked - then lost track...she posted the quote below 30July08.

EP



Warning TL!

My Deposition today;

First, cut me some slack on spelling and grammar, I’m wiped out. I got less than 2 hours sleep, and I’m still a nervous wreck!

Please understand I can only be vague, as I was given instructions on what I can and can’t talk about. This is something that everyone who wants to see the CoS dismantled should understand. I have to give the authorities the time to do what they need to do.

There were 2 agencies represented. I was only expecting one. 5 agents total, 4 lawyers for their side, me and my 2nd year law student! Also the guy video taping and the lady court reporter. After the first time the attorneys for the Gvmt gave her hell for saying “asked and answered already” she seemed to go into a shell. I think the content was a bit intimidating for her as well. Shit, if nothing else, it gave her a great theme for a thesis.

There were 108 exhibits so you get the idea as to how detailed this was. It took a while for the agents and the gvmt Attorneys, to understand how a Public member would have such info. They also put me on the hot seat for moving to LA and taking the job, all in the name of religion. Having said that, I wouldn’t have this information IF I hadn’t done this!

We went though all 108 pieces of evidence with complete disclosure. I told them everything. There were many times I didn’t understand what they were asking, and I’m not an idiot, but lawyers have their own language. They then, did allow me to ask the law student questions off the record. They advised me every single time, that she is not an atty! JHC I get that! This is where she was very helpful, in legal verbiage. They asked me the same questions 10 different ways.. but I was telling the truth, so I was good to go!

There was even infighting between the 2 agencies ( makes me feel real comfortable!). I got a break to smoke or go to the bathroom every 45 mins as they needed to change the tape. They also didn’t want to break for lunch, as they wanted to finish, so they could catch their flights back to CA! I thought it would never end!

They did their homework on me too. They knew about a car accident over 15 years ago, and a bounced check over 20 years ago. I guess that’s to speak to my creditability, who knows.

After all was said and done, I expressed my concerns about fair gaming getting worse, and my current financial situation. I told them, if they expect fair gaming to get worse why not at least put me on a level playing field, by saving my apartment…! They told me since this is an ongoing investigation, they cannot guarantee fair gaming will cease, as a matter of fact, they thought things could get worse before it got better. I asked if they could help me, safety wise and financially, since I helped them, and they told me when they are done with their investigation, we could explore those options. So basically, I’m on my own for now. I went further into the fact that my kids will be in school soon, and let’s face it school security sucks, but that didn’t motivate them either! I even asked them if they could loan me a video recorder to capture fair gaming on tape, but notta.

Well, it’s over for now. I will have to get a real attorney when this goes to court. I will have to testify. They didn’t give me a time frame, other than to say, it was an on going investigation.

I brought up the fact I wanted to go after them for a refund, but was strongly advised not to do such a thing until their investigation is over. I guess on that point, I’m in limbo for a while.

I have the worlds worst headache right now, stress I’m sure, and uncertainty of what is coming down on me. I look at it like this, they were already playing their BS baby ass fair gaming(sorry for the lang), if I didn’t speak out and give the deposition, I could have lived with the calls, assh0les outside my home, them sending me promo BS forever, or maybe it gets a little worse for a while, but will eventually come to an end.

They did advise me on things I can do to protect myself legally, and how easy it would be for me to get such permits. On that point they offered to help expedite.

Ok I ranted long enough.




~~~~~~~~~

NOW, for those of you afraid to come forward:

It’s not all that fun, but it really helps free you from the restraints you are attached to! You help those who can’t help themselves. I won’t lie.. It’s scary. The Feds are not my best friends, that’s not their job, but they are not the enemy either! Come forward, talk to them, tell what you know (even if you think it’s not a big deal). Let them decide that! Only they know what they have cooking. Who knows, you may be holding the last piece of the puzzle!

You don’t know me, and have no reason to trust me, but I will tell you, dealing with the CoS is a lose-lose situation. Why not get on the right side? There are many people who will have your back if you do come forward. I found that out!

==========================

For kicks~~~ Can I be a Wog now, instead of an ex-scion? LOL Just kidding. I know I’ll always be the ex-scion, in the eyes of most.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
Perhaps ask Graham Berry, her lawyer, per her, and a member of this board.

My intuition was that she had a pretty weak case...apparently her investment advisor was also a scientologist and she blames him for her spending her money at the org....and called in the SEC. That part is then confused with her various claims against her landlords with have no connection with scientology.
 

EXorcised

Patron
Warning TL!

My Deposition today;

First, cut me some slack on spelling and grammar, I’m wiped out. I got less than 2 hours sleep, and I’m still a nervous wreck!

Please understand I can only be vague, as I was given instructions on what I can and can’t talk about. This is something that everyone who wants to see the CoS dismantled should understand. I have to give the authorities the time to do what they need to do.

There were 2 agencies represented. I was only expecting one. 5 agents total, 4 lawyers for their side, me and my 2nd year law student! Also the guy video taping and the lady court reporter. After the first time the attorneys for the Gvmt gave her hell for saying “asked and answered already” she seemed to go into a shell. I think the content was a bit intimidating for her as well. Shit, if nothing else, it gave her a great theme for a thesis.

There were 108 exhibits so you get the idea as to how detailed this was. It took a while for the agents and the gvmt Attorneys, to understand how a Public member would have such info. They also put me on the hot seat for moving to LA and taking the job, all in the name of religion. Having said that, I wouldn’t have this information IF I hadn’t done this!

We went though all 108 pieces of evidence with complete disclosure. I told them everything. There were many times I didn’t understand what they were asking, and I’m not an idiot, but lawyers have their own language. They then, did allow me to ask the law student questions off the record. They advised me every single time, that she is not an atty! JHC I get that! This is where she was very helpful, in legal verbiage. They asked me the same questions 10 different ways.. but I was telling the truth, so I was good to go!

There was even infighting between the 2 agencies ( makes me feel real comfortable!). I got a break to smoke or go to the bathroom every 45 mins as they needed to change the tape. They also didn’t want to break for lunch, as they wanted to finish, so they could catch their flights back to CA! I thought it would never end!

They did their homework on me too. They knew about a car accident over 15 years ago, and a bounced check over 20 years ago. I guess that’s to speak to my creditability, who knows.

After all was said and done, I expressed my concerns about fair gaming getting worse, and my current financial situation. I told them, if they expect fair gaming to get worse why not at least put me on a level playing field, by saving my apartment…! They told me since this is an ongoing investigation, they cannot guarantee fair gaming will cease, as a matter of fact, they thought things could get worse before it got better. I asked if they could help me, safety wise and financially, since I helped them, and they told me when they are done with their investigation, we could explore those options. So basically, I’m on my own for now. I went further into the fact that my kids will be in school soon, and let’s face it school security sucks, but that didn’t motivate them either! I even asked them if they could loan me a video recorder to capture fair gaming on tape, but notta.

Well, it’s over for now. I will have to get a real attorney when this goes to court. I will have to testify. They didn’t give me a time frame, other than to say, it was an on going investigation.

I brought up the fact I wanted to go after them for a refund, but was strongly advised not to do such a thing until their investigation is over. I guess on that point, I’m in limbo for a while.

I have the worlds worst headache right now, stress I’m sure, and uncertainty of what is coming down on me. I look at it like this, they were already playing their BS baby ass fair gaming(sorry for the lang), if I didn’t speak out and give the deposition, I could have lived with the calls, assh0les outside my home, them sending me promo BS forever, or maybe it gets a little worse for a while, but will eventually come to an end.

They did advise me on things I can do to protect myself legally, and how easy it would be for me to get such permits. On that point they offered to help expedite.

Ok I ranted long enough.




~~~~~~~~~

NOW, for those of you afraid to come forward:

It’s not all that fun, but it really helps free you from the restraints you are attached to! You help those who can’t help themselves. I won’t lie.. It’s scary. The Feds are not my best friends, that’s not their job, but they are not the enemy either! Come forward, talk to them, tell what you know (even if you think it’s not a big deal). Let them decide that! Only they know what they have cooking. Who knows, you may be holding the last piece of the puzzle!

You don’t know me, and have no reason to trust me, but I will tell you, dealing with the CoS is a lose-lose situation. Why not get on the right side? There are many people who will have your back if you do come forward. I found that out!

==========================

For kicks~~~ Can I be a Wog now, instead of an ex-scion? LOL Just kidding. I know I’ll always be the ex-scion, in the eyes of most.

I don`t know that the TRUTH will always set you free, but You expressed that the TRUTH never changes, and thats TRUE.

If turning evidence on someone(CoS) gets that person defamed, beaten down, or much worse (as history demonstates),...etc., its because the courts and our peers are such shits...oops, I mean chicken shits.

I would love to be armed and dangerous, in your defence, against their known street level assasins ( as history shows). You are one brave, and equitable person.

I once spent thousands of dollars, and hung in there, through the 6th, 11th, and 1st circuits of the US courts of appeals, and then on to the SCOTUS.
The results; not one deposition was taken, and not one second of testimony allowed ( I had federal witnesses). Thats where I get my very low opinion of the shit government and its courts. ( This should give some hint as to why CoS and the US government live and sleep together)...at all cost, the government, and all entities who love money , will protect themselves from the TRUTH.

I have also been an absolute chicken shit, in a deposition, so I know they look like. :nervous: I told the god damned truth , but the limits of my license to practice put me in great jeopardy of being sued, if I took that last step and made a diagnosis beyound my scope of practice. (I think Doctors wrote that last part of the law). I`m not perfect either, I think I bounced a check once too.
Hang in there and good luck. :thumbsup:
 

Cherished

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Perhaps ask Graham Berry, her lawyer, per her, and a member of this board.

My intuition was that she had a pretty weak case...apparently her investment advisor was also a scientologist and she blames him for her spending her money at the org....and called in the SEC. That part is then confused with her various claims against her landlords with have no connection with scientology.

I know FormerlyIn and your representation of her case is pure fabrication. Further, I have never seen anything along the lines of what you say published on any of the relevant message boards. What is the source of this understanding you have? Who told you that was what FIN's case was about?
 

alex

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I know FormerlyIn and your representation of her case is pure fabrication. Further, I have never seen anything along the lines of what you say published on any of the relevant message boards. What is the source of this understanding you have? Who told you that was what FIN's case was about?

My understanding comes from reading her posts on the various boards, enturb/wwp, esmb etc. And from my dialogs with her on them and in PM's.

My understanding is that she suffered from an accident in which her appartment caught fire, and came into some money in an insurance settlement, and at some later time invested it with a company owned by a scientologist.

She also suffered from a second fire, and it is this that much of the legal troubles she writes about are concerning, not anything to do with scientology.

Also separately, she was persuaded to use her money that was invested, to donate for scientology services, and she feels she was unduly influenced, and partially blames the investment person for that, and it is that issue that is under investigation concerning scientology.

Graham Berry was I believe attempting to interest the SEC in her money/scientology connection, but I doubt that they are interested in how people have foolishly but legally spent their money. She may see fraud in her investment person being a scientologist and her disattisfaction with scientology, but perhaps the feds dont.

So she has two different legal issues going on, her apartment troubles, and her attempt to forward a governmental probe of the relationship between her investments and scientology. I admit it is confusing, but carefully read her posts, and perhaps ask her to clarify for you.

In my opinion she should obtain counsel not so emotionally involved in the scientology issue. In my opinion, Mr Berry's briefs tend to be a diatribe against scientology rather than a rational examination of the specific torts. I have told her this several times, but she seems to want the passion over the rational...

But since we have not seen her post lately, it is my hope that she has been able to concentrate on her personal life and kids, and has found some way to deal with these issues outside the very emotional public forums. I last heard from her after christmas in a private exchange of seasonal wishes.

As I say, "my understanding". I have no direct relationship to any of this, just the same morbid curiosity as every one else.
 

Cherished

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With all due respect, Alex, I know a great deal about FIN's situation. I have spent several hours chatting with her in the last two days.

You are right that her personal injury scenario is not related to Scientology. FIN made that abundantly clear in her postings.

But you are waaaay off on your understanding of the federal investigation, the nature of the allegations being investigated and the role of Graham Berry (next to nothing to date). Hence, your opinions about it are way off beam and irrelevant, really.

I'm not going to say anything further about this except that FIN has been thoroughly vindicated in every legal setting in which she has given evidence in the last year.
 
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