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My Descent into FanatIcism and the Hard Climb Out

Gib

Crusader
Blonds have more fun! I've never met Ginger or Arne, and wish them every success!
BTW I'm allergic to getting married.:yes:
Aloha, Candy

A few posts after I made that post, Panda corrected me. We had a laugh.

Ever see that Star Trek episode where Bones has to rewire Spocks brain into his body, and he screams, there are too many wires to connect, while being under the gun of now, now, now. :melodramatic::laugh:
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
I'm going to record and watch tomorrow so I won't read anything after now.

To answer your question from before;

Wouldn't Dragonfire take out the zombies in large swaths? Just like Drogon did to the Sons of the Harpy?

I'm thinking all three dragons could put that latest undead pimp out of business.

And oh yeah, If Deny doesn't come back for her people, she's a complete idiot, and I'm voting democrat next time.
 

SPsince83

Gold Meritorious Patron
To answer your question from before;

Wouldn't Dragonfire take out the zombies in large swaths? Just like Drogon did to the Sons of the Harpy?

I'm thinking all three dragons could put that latest undead pimp out of business.

And oh yeah, If Deny doesn't come back for her people, she's a complete idiot, and I'm voting democrat next time.

Once you admit of zombies and white walkers and dragons anything goes.:omg:
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi Jim. What a wonderful story and thread about a detour Road to (almost) total ruin and destruction, proffered as the Holy Grail trail by a Con Man:thumbsup: So glad you included how you stopped, pondered and looked around to see the real truths of life and made the conscious decision to get yourself back on the road of reality. Perhaps many still wandering in delusion will stumble upon your personal tale and let go of the delusions so surreptitiously presented in scientology. You certainly have provided a very educational tool for such.:clap:

Thank you for putting your shoulder to the wheel of truth. :yes:

All the best and a belated happy welcome.
 

catarina

PTS Type III

Part 12

Under The Radar. Till Now

I needed to get my life in order right now, I felt. After so much time spent tied up with the cult, I didn't want to have the rest of my life spent combatting and opposing it, stuck to it as if it were my own personal tar-baby. I didn't want to have to deal with the harassment and dirty tricks that I'd witnessed the Church use against its critics during many years of first hand experience. Even though I now believed firmly that the Church did far more harm than good, and I knew I was completely done, I decided to keep my conclusions to myself. I just wanted to get on with my life, and I hoped to maintain my connection to my kids, even if I knew as Sea Org members they would not agree with my going "off lines".

I explained to those who tried to get me back "on lines" or to "handle" or "recover" me over the next 18 years about my mishaps at Flag, that I just didn't feel I was getting results commensurate with the effort and expense required to be on the OT levels, that I decided I needed to get my life in order, that I got tired of feeling pushed around and "out code of honor", that I wasn't interested in taking any services "at the present time", any "acceptable truth" that would explain my inactivity. But I did not publicly depart the Church, ask off the mailing lists, publicly criticize the Church, or align myself with critics or Anti-Scientologists. I avoided saying things that I knew would end me getting declared SP, added to an enemy list, attacked, or declared "fair game".

Was this the right thing to do? On the one hand it gave me a time to recover from the effects of Scientology in peace, and to create an existence that was simpler, happier, more successful financially, and more normal. On the other hand I have had to censor myself and bite my tongue when talking to staff or prior acquaintances trying to "handle" me or get me to buy books or take services again, including my own kids. I kept receiving piles of unwanted promotion and calls from blocked, unknown, or spoofed numbers. And as I followed the news of important departures and watched documentaries and video blogs of critics or read their print blogs, I often wanted to cheer them on or add my two cents, and I chaffed at feeling my voice muzzled and silenced.

No one wants to be harassed, sued, or fair-gamed. No one wants to lose contact with one's children, other family members, or loved ones. But many brave people have spoken out before me and suffered those things, in a courageous effort to make known the truth of Scientology's abuses, crimes, deceptions, and betrayals. Without their visible acts of courage, I and many other people would probably still be living out unhappy and damaged lives within the group, isolated, cowed, and with no hope of exit. And many new people would have been drawn into the same seductive trap that captured me in my own "prison of belief." After reflection, I feel quietly escaping and avoiding hostilities with a group that has from its inception shown a vindictive tendency to try to destroy defectors and critics was the right thing for me to do.

But now it is time to face what has been scaring me and keeping me quiet. I am not a criminal, a suppressive person, or a psychopath because I finally came to the honest conclusion that Scientology wasn't working for me and was in fact harming me and many others. I have a right to state and write my own opinions without being harassed, injured, and called a bigot, a hater, or a Nazi. I've been silenced and muzzled long enough. I'm telling the truth as I experienced it and am willing to be counted

It's a recurring question, should you quietly rebuild your life or do you have a duty to speak out, regardless of the circumstances? Personally, I think it has to be fully your own decision. I too am incredibly grateful for the brave people who have risked a lot to expose the monstrosity, and honored to have met a small number of them. But I think every voice counts, and I'm very happy that you decided in the end to add yours. I find your posts concise and insightful.

Back when I opened my mouth, in the late 1990s, I was a very, very small player, not even SO or OSA or OT, living in a tiny country. It wasn't that dangerous, and there was very little they could destroy for me. Still, letting go of my own fears was oh so liberating, getting rid of that self-censoring voice in my head forbidding me to criticize. I actually remember the first time I was going to post to a.r.s. and decided to simply use my real name, and thought "now I'm signing away my road to total freedom" - and suddenly felt really free.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Oh, wow.

By real helmets, I'm guessing you mean Vietnam-area U.S. Army helmet liners, which look exactly like those book cover paintings.

Painted silver with knee-high boots to match? OMG, that must have been hilarious!

Does anyone have any photos of this?

Hmmm. CMO girls wearing knee-high boots with hot pants. Would make an interesting picture.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
In fact, I personally knew and had known all through my time in Scientology some very dishonest and destructive people who seemed to be untouchable and able to act with impunity, as long as they contributed a lot of money, production, or support to the management of the group, in other words as long as they gamed the stat system. The vast majority of Scns were good people, but in every portion of my time in Scientology I had seemed to encounter bullies, con artists, highly self-assured, ruthless, and aggressive people who were quite adept in making life complicated or unpleasant for decent and well meaning staff and public, and they seemed to thrive in the stat and justice and complex organizational systems.

I encountered the same thing. You had good people, and you had psychopaths. On staff, you would often see the latter go into jobs like regging and management, where a lack of empathy, a willingness to make people do stuff in order to get your stat, would be an asset.

Good people are motivated by a desire to help people. What do you offer a psychopath in order to keep him on staff? You offer money (reg commissions), the power to inflict suffering on people, and the ability to take sexual advantage of public and staff(as long as you keep your stats high enough that you maintain "ethics protection").
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
This is what finally got it thru to me IT'S NOT A FEW BAD EGGS RUINING THE POLICY AND TECH--IT'S THE POLICY AND TECH PRODUCING THE SAME FUCKING NUTJOB DRAMATIZTION IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. All the people I had trouble with were acting the same and all were sure they were on-source. And they were, they were little Ron-clones. Just like I had tried to fashion myself, but I couldn't ever quite seem to achieve the mind-meld correctly or be ruthless, angry, or heartless enough, no matter how much I tried! Some people could do it fucking oerfect, though, and those are the ones that were always making the life of decent folks miserable, and seeming to really enjoy it.


There were actually two kinds of fucktards: the well-meaning people who were convinced they had to act this way "for the good of the planet" in order to "get the show on the road", and the total psychopaths who acted that way because they LIKED it.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Yeah that's true.

It wasn't just the similarity of the uniforms that clued me in. I recognized the operating protocols.

After all, Laffy learned much of his shit in the Navy. It's not a lie that he was a Naval officer during WWII.

I believe the rumors that he was actually an ONI asset. It would fit that he just went off the reservation once he got the training.

Given that he was busted off his one ship assignment for being incompetent and nuts, I doubt they would have really given him a Naval Intelligence slot.
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Yes, but did they actually spray-paint boots and helmets with silver paint?:lol:

Maybe a bit late for this post now but anyway. First thing that struck me when I arrived at AOUK in Edinburgh to do the Clearing Course was seeing these female staff members in their white Advanced Org uniforms. This was in February 1970. It's not as though they were young sexy babes either, Isla Pryde was probably in her fifties, an intelligent woman, and what she thought of having to traipse around in a white jump-suit wearing silver boots and a wide silver belt I'll never know, but I'll bet she wouldn't have done it voluntarily. Their boots and belt didn't look spray-painted as far as I can recall, but they might have been.

I have to say it did give the whole experience a touch of unreality but I didn't question it, rather I just accepted it, as of course 'Ron knew best'.
 

SPsince83

Gold Meritorious Patron
Maybe a bit late for this post now but anyway. First thing that struck me when I arrived at AOUK in Edinburgh to do the Clearing Course was seeing these female staff members in their white Advanced Org uniforms. This was in February 1970. It's not as though they were young sexy babes either, Isla Pryde was probably in her fifties, an intelligent woman, and what she thought of having to traipse around in a white jump-suit wearing silver boots and a wide silver belt I'll never know, but I'll bet she wouldn't have done it voluntarily. Their boots and belt didn't look spray-painted as far as I can recall, but they might have been.

I have to say it did give the whole experience a touch of unreality but I didn't question it, rather I just accepted it, as of course 'Ron knew best'.

Never too late, stratty. This is getting to be a fun thread.:coolwink:
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Never too late, stratty. This is getting to be a fun thread.:coolwink:

What I meant was the post I was responding to was a couple of days old but I hadn't been following this thread previously to my posting here so I was just covering my ass. :biggrin:

I'll try and catch up.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
Maybe a bit late for this post now but anyway. First thing that struck me when I arrived at AOUK in Edinburgh to do the Clearing Course was seeing these female staff members in their white Advanced Org uniforms. This was in February 1970. It's not as though they were young sexy babes either, Isla Pryde was probably in her fifties, an intelligent woman, and what she thought of having to traipse around in a white jump-suit wearing silver boots and a wide silver belt I'll never know, but I'll bet she wouldn't have done it voluntarily. Their boots and belt didn't look spray-painted as far as I can recall, but they might have been.

I have to say it did give the whole experience a touch of unreality but I didn't question it, rather I just accepted it, as of course 'Ron knew best'.

Wide silver belts, too?

It just keeps getting better!
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
For you, Tory...

Curt Gowdy and Paul Christman calling the final play of the '62 double overtime AFL Championship, the game that put the AFL on the map...and I watched it live.

The game calling goes from 0:20 to 3:15, from 3:16 to 5:44 are on-field Players interviews by field reporters at 5:45 starts way cool segment of a live shot of Curt and your Dad wrapping the show.

Pitchin' Paul...whatta Stud!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXFuWFEwog
 
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SPsince83

Gold Meritorious Patron
For you, Tory...

Curt Gowdy and Paul Christman calling the final play of the '62 double overtime AFL Championship, the game that put the AFL on the map...and I watched it live.

The game calling goes from 0:00 to 3:15, from 3:16 to 5:44 are on-field Players interviews by field reporters at 5:45 starts way cool segment of a live shot of Curt and your Dad wrapping the show.

Pitchin' Paul...whatta Stud!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXFuWFEwog

Too cool, Face. I watched that game live. The next year the Texans became the Kansas City Chiefs and Dallas had to wait 10 years for the Cowboys to win one.
 
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