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My Descent into FanatIcism and the Hard Climb Out

Jim Faust

Patron with Honors
Help me out here, Jim. Tory is too busy.

Did the Sea Org really field uniforms based on those crappy book covers painted by Laffy himself? You know, the ones where the white suited guys were loading the DC 9s? Even though the nines didn't have propellers, but jets. Blub was probably mixing this aircraft up with the DC 4.

Silver helmets and boots? Silver anything? Do we need any more proof that the OT levels were the result of some heavy drug experimentation, possibly augmented by his son's comic books?

I have to admit, though. If you were going to pull a stunt this outlandish, Hollywood in the seventies would be the place to do it.

Wait a minute...something just came up.

I distinctly remember walking down Hollywood Blvd one Halloween in those days, when (amongst a lot of other things) I saw this guy in a silver jump suit. He was obviously tripping balls while having what seemed to be a meaningful conversation using hand signals with the light on top of a lamp post.

Tory, could you have seen both of these strangely jump-suited characters and mixed up the memories? Happens to me.
See other posts re the jumpsuits. Had many SO tell me this had been the AO uniform around 69 or 70. Just like the book cover you're describing. I'm with Tory, I was at Woodstock one year earlier tripping on acid with a half million other fools who showed up with no food, shelter, or money and saw the greatest party in history take place. strange was a relative concept at that point for me!
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
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Did the Sea Org really field uniforms based on those crappy book covers painted by Laffy himself? You know, the ones where the white suited guys were loading the DC 9s?....

Seeing is believing!

This shows AO Crew visiting Hawaii Org on mission.

AO Crew.jpg

This one is at AOLA...

AO Crew2.jpg

There are many such photos around.
 

Little David

Gold Meritorious Patron
Tory,

You were talking about silver jumpsuits and white boots and helmets. Was that a Sea Org uniform? I've heard something about that, I think, but I thought it was white jumpsuits and silver other stuff.

Either way, are you freakin' kidding me??? You mean this rumor is true??? How long did this go on? We looked like Mormon "elders" without a nice nameplate but with a rope when I was in. Most of us were about the same age, too.
AOLA%20Joan%20Robertson.jpg


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http://community.freezone-tech.info/candy-swanson/photo-gallery/sea-org/
 

Jim Faust

Patron with Honors
The three big successful CA missions were Riverside - Bent Corydon, Stevens Creek - Kingsley Wimbush, and Davis, which included Sacramento, San Francisco, Portland OR, and Delphi - Martin Samuels. All three were eviscerated by the Mission Holder's Conference in SF in 82. I was smashed in the Finance Police raids that followed. I was one of the first people in the field to be gang bang sec checked. It wasn't a lot of fun.
Wow, I feel for you! Bent's description of that needing is like something out of Kafka. That should have put everyone on alert that it was officially CRAZYTIME EVIL in the C Of S, and that was 82 right?
 

Jim Faust

Patron with Honors
I want to hear more about this ^^^^^ :), bet there are some good stories there!
One day I'm going to try to untie my time track for mid 67-71 enough to tell the story of how I ended up getting sucked closer and closer to the center of Scn whirlpool and then one day was IN. That's not an easy story but I've been thinking about it! Yeah, after being softened up enough by the late 60s, crazy was a relative concept. For a while Scientologists I knew seemed positively conservative and buttoned-down compared to some of the shit I'd seen. Note I said "seemed". Little did I know I was getting on the crazy train express.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Oh Panda. I love the questions and the comments! I'm having a blast and remembering soooo much crazy stuff!
Lol, I was referring to getting too distracted by the R6 Space Crew tangent, that deserves a whole new thread of its own... oh, wait, we've already done that.

The questions are great and help flesh the story out. :)
 

Jim Faust

Patron with Honors

Part 5

D) Sea Org Overview

During my time in the Sea Org, I had some positive experiences, mostly in regard to camaraderie, but generally found the work I was assigned to do very arduous and at times impossible to accomplish as ordered. I was often sleep deprived. The most pay I recall ever making was around $15 a week, but for long periods of time it was less, sometimes as little as $2.50 or nothing at all per week. The food was generally not very good. I encountered more abusive and demeaning seniors than I would have preferred and some disciplinary actions I felt were unfair and quite harsh.

When I decided to route out of the SO, I still wanted to continue receiving services in Scientology but I was 100% certain I never again wanted to be in the Sea Org. It is now nearly 4 decades since I left the SO and I still wake up occasionally shouting at the top of my lungs or kicking and punching in my sleep (at times to the detriment of my furniture, computer, or lamp) from terrifying nightmares in which I am being kidnapped or somehow forced to return to the Sea Org.

I never worked on The Apollo, Hubbard's Flagship, or any other vessels of that flotilla operating in the Atlantic or Mediterranean Sea. I was never in the Guardian Office (GO), and was never posted at the bases in Florida or Southern California where Hubbard might show up and from which Scn worldwide was run. Therefore i did not have personal first-hand experiences with him or of the more confidential activities (such as Operations Snowwhite and Freakout among many others) which were not disclosed to normal rank-and-file SO members.

I had the point of view that the often deplorable conditions and activities I experienced first-hand were taking place and continuing to exist because Ron was too far away to be able to rectify them. Little did I know that he had left Flag for the S Cal area in '75 or '76, and that conditions at Flag while he was there and the bases where he was working in S Cal were often more harsh than anything I ever experienced. I would not discover this for another nearly 20 years, as many ex-SO members started posting the stories of their experiences and what they had seen on the Internet.
 

Jim Faust

Patron with Honors
Part 6

1978-1997 Public Scientologist. Sometimes Fanatical, Sometimes Not


I had a few periods during which I lacked interest in being very gung-ho in Scn during the late 70s and early 80s, but for most of the 19 years years after leaving the SO, I tried to be a good group member. I eventually got back in good standing as a public Scientologist, and started to again receive auditing. I also marched for Scn at the Armstrong trial, took part in the "Religious Freedom Crusade" protesting the trial in Portland, became a lifetime member of the IAS ($2000 required), later a Honor Roll IAS member ($5000), and upped my contribution to $10k as my share of a Patronage ($40k) made up of me, my wife, my business partner, and his wife. Through most of the 80s and early 90s, I accepted pretty completely the one-sided accounts given by church management during the mission uprising and the subsequent exodus of hundreds into the Independent Movement and in general believed their version of events and their characterizations of Church enemies and defectors as being criminal SPs.


Somewhere around 1985, my old college roommate, with whom I had done my first Scn service and who had served for a time in the GO, called me expressing disagreements with Church management and telling me he was aligned with Bill Franks, a former very senior executive who had left and was briefly active in the Independent Movement. My old best friend wanted to discuss his point of view with me, and told me we had shared so much history and had so much in common he believed I would be able to comprehend the way he had come to regard the group. I was, however, still pretty firmly fixed into the mind-set of a dedicated Scio, and it embarrasses me to say today that I told him without a great deal of reflection or empathy that it seemed to me that he was in a condition lower than doubt and needed to apply the correct condition, and then cut our interchange short. .


I was in the audience on 27 Jan 1986 when the death of LRH was announced and basically bought that presentation by Cooly, DM, and Pat Broeker, whole hog. I didn't read negative books, articles, or watch TV shows critical of the Church, I distrusted the press, and I did not look at negative sites about Scientology on the Internet when it first got going. My only information about Scientology came from events and Church publications. At times while in Scn, I had a blinkered, self-assured, and unquestioning view of life that now as I reflect back I can only regard with dismay. For a time, I was a true believer.
 

Gib

Crusader
Part 6

1978-1997 Public Scientologist. Sometimes Fanatical, Sometimes Not


I had a few periods during which I lacked interest in being very gung-ho in Scn during the late 70s and early 80s, but for most of the 19 years years after leaving the SO, I tried to be a good group member. I eventually got back in good standing as a public Scientologist, and started to again receive auditing. I also marched for Scn at the Armstrong trial, took part in the "Religious Freedom Crusade" protesting the trial in Portland, became a lifetime member of the IAS ($2000 required), later a Honor Roll IAS member ($5000), and upped my contribution to $10k as my share of a Patronage ($40k) made up of me, my wife, my business partner, and his wife. Through most of the 80s and early 90s, I accepted pretty completely the one-sided accounts given by church management during the mission uprising and the subsequent exodus of hundreds into the Independent Movement and in general believed their version of events and their characterizations of Church enemies and defectors as being criminal SPs.


Somewhere around 1985, my old college roommate, with whom I had done my first Scn service and who had served for a time in the GO, called me expressing disagreements with Church management and telling me he was aligned with Bill Franks, a former very senior executive who had left and was briefly active in the Independent Movement. My old best friend wanted to discuss his point of view with me, and told me we had shared so much history and had so much in common he believed I would be able to comprehend the way he had come to regard the group. I was, however, still pretty firmly fixed into the mind-set of a dedicated Scio, and it embarrasses me to say today that I told him without a great deal of reflection or empathy that it seemed to me that he was in a condition lower than doubt and needed to apply the correct condition, and then cut our interchange short. .


I was in the audience on 27 Jan 1986 when the death of LRH was announced and basically bought that presentation by Cooly, DM, and Pat Broeker, whole hog. I didn't read negative books, articles, or watch TV shows critical of the Church, I distrusted the press, and I did not look at negative sites about Scientology on the Internet when it first got going. My only information about Scientology came from events and Church publications. At times while in Scn, I had a blinkered, self-assured, and unquestioning view of life that now as I reflect back I can only regard with dismay. For a time, I was a true believer.

wow.

I still can't believe it, a whole year later in 1987 I read Dianetics, I recall vividly seeing the black background TV ad's on TV, with white lettering, I never bought the book, a friend did, and I asked him if I could borrow it and read it. My friend never read the book, but I did. I went into the org to get a free Book 1 auditing session. I became hooked, while you was leaving, OMG.

As I researched, some now 25 years later from that Black & White Dianetics ad, why Jefferson Hawkins created it in the 1980's period, and some 25 years later I read his Counterfeit Dreams. LOL Too funny as Jefferson helped to get me in, and later helped to get me out.

Flunk for comm lag. LOL

What's also funny, is that I asked the reg in 1987 this specific question:

How do I do I know Hubbard isn't lying to us? Her response was that he never lied to us before. I bought it hook line and sinker. :melodramatic:
 
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