My Question to Marty Rathbun

[Alanzo]

I emailed Marty.

Here's what I said:

Hi Marty, I'm Alanzo from the Ex-Scientologists Message Board.

I asked myself: What would be the one question, that if asked to Marty Rathbun, would produce the most benefit for my friends at ESMB?

So here it is:

What is the standard procedure followed by OSA when a new critic of Scientology pops up on the Internet, or anywhere else?

If you could answer that question, then this information could be used to create a lot of peace of mind for a lot of people.

Be as thorough as you can.

Thanks.

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Good Question Alanzo.

Hope Marty answers it.

In the meantime, it appears that OSA reacts by applying the non-existent policy of Fair Game.

This is done by the procedure of auditing out the analytical mind(denial and censorship) and beefing up the reactive mind with false data.

It suits the CoS purpose of, cleared mind planet.

Only problem is lies are the true enemy of mankind and the CoS alike.

This methodology is the form and function of it's creator. Dangerous!

When it is used it is a barrage of foot bullets.

 

[Ladybird]

The cult of scientology doesn't practice fair game any more. The cult of scientology doesn't practice fair game any less either.

 

[Zinjifar]

The cult of scientology doesn't practice fair game any more. The cult of scientology doesn't practice fair game any less either.

The 'Church' of Scientology *never* practiced Fair Game. Being Scientologists, they already knew how to do it to a 't'.

Zinj

 

[nozeno]

Great, if he answers we can debate about the truthfulness or lack thereof for weeks.

 

[Alanzo]

Great, if he answers we can debate about the truthfulness or lack thereof for weeks.

I'm hoping to be able to use the information he provides us to help Exes and Anonymous learn more about OSA's tactics and procedures and how to avoid Fair Game. Also, if he can provide any information on PI's they use, hacker tactics they employ, etc. it might be possible to uncover criminal activity and get some OSA members prosecuted.

That's why I am so looking forward to Marty's email answer to me.

 

[Alanzo]

Marty answered me last night. I was waiting for okay from him to post it, but then re-read my original email to him and realized that he knew it was for posting on ESMB. So, here is what he answered to me:

(Update - When he replied to my email with an Okay to post, he told me he added to his original. I've edited my post to include his additions)

Alanzo,

I don't think there is any standard procedure anywhere in the Church anymore. It is a hey-you org board, and only one guy really gets to say hey you. And that fellow has got some serious issues brewing. I wasn't on that logistical level when I was there but I imagine it goes something like this:

a) Study the poster's pattern, put a profile together and keep adding to it till you get a picture of what orgs he was at, what case level he is, when he likely was there.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

b) Get trolls in touch through chat rooms and the like to learn more.[/FONT]

c) Run the profile by Ethics Officers and files and narrow down the identity.

d) Figure out any connections that might be important to the person who value their good standing with the Church.

e) Have the connections approach the fellow and persuade him to knock off the posting.

f) If "d" fails, or if it is not an ex Scnst, get trolls to try to drive the fellow into apathy and off the boards.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]g[/FONT]) If the person is a real pain in the ass, get some PI's onto him and see whether you can't get some discreditable dirt on him [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]or intimidate
him into silence.
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Incidentally, trolls love to cause conflict among posters. Interesting fact, 25% of the documentation that Miscavige dumped on the Times to discredit me were posts by avowed anti-Scientologists dumping on me. That's right, right up there with the confessionals were a stack of posts off ESMB, OCMB, and ARS saying what a criminal Marty is. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Boy that Sitting Bull article on Scientology-cult.com was prophetic, eh?

For guys who do more than simply criticize on message boards, like myself, things get a lot rougher. But, that is for another day.
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Quite frankly that OSA NW is a joke now. Miscavige has blown off the only folk who could ever get it to work. Which leads me to the original disclaimer, who knows what the chaos behind the pretty walls might do at this point. Just take another listen to the Tommy Davis melt down on the SP Times webpage. He is channeling Miscavige there. It was unfiltered Miscavige. With nobody left to buffer Miscavige's insanity to the outside world and staff where this puppy goes is anybody's guess.

Sorry if you were looking for more certainty. That is as honest an assessment as I can deliver.

Marty

(via email)

 

[Alanzo]

I believe that Marty would be very popular and very welcome on ESMB.

And I believe he could do a lot of good here.

 

[lionheart]

I can confirm that the CofS ran me through Marty's steps a) to f) and eventually tied me up in legal hassles that are still ongoing.

Scientologists are lovely people! Not!

Let's hope he is right and their nasty activities are crumbling under DM's psychotic dramatisation of LRH.

 

[Alanzo]

So for all you lurkers out there with family still in, I think there is a way for you to start posting on ESMB, and strategizing with others here - without being caught and getting your family threatened.

The key is in Marty's "a)" and "b)" steps:

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a) Study the poster's pattern, put a profile together and keep adding to it till you get a picture of what orgs he was at, what case level he is, when he likely was there.
b) Run the profile by Ethics Officers and files and narrow down the identity.

They are heavily dependent on the ORGS and MISSIONS where you were on lines to figure out who you are and work out plans to intimidate you.

So your LOCATIONS are probably the most vital data they can gather.

Therefore:

LIE ABOUT YOUR LOCATIONS.

Give wrong dates and times. Act like you are from the wrong continent.

It doesn't matter anyway: the same shit happens in every org around the world.

Then, work to eliminate all your vulnerabilities from them: Get any family out that's still in. If you work for Scientologists, get another job. If there are Scientologists who owe you money - get it back.

Eliminate any weakness where they can get you.

And KEEP SPEAKING UP.

They can not be allowed to control your life for ONE MORE SECOND.

I hope this helps...
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[Bea Kiddo]

So for all you lurkers out there with family still in, I think there is a way for you to start posting on ESMB, and strategizing with others here - without being caught and getting your family threatened.

The key is in Marty's "a)" and "b)" steps:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They are heavily dependent on the ORGS and MISSIONS where you were on lines to figure out who you are and work out plans to intimidate you.

So your LOCATIONS are probably the most vital data they can gather.

Therefore:

LIE ABOUT YOUR LOCATIONS.

Give wrong dates and times. Act like you are from the wrong continent.

It doesn't matter anyway: the same shit happens in every org around the world.

Then, work to eliminate all your vulnerabilities from them: Get any family out that's still in. If you work for Scientologists, get another job. If there are Scientologists who owe you money - get it back.

Eliminate any weakness where they can get you.

And KEEP SPEAKING UP.

They can not be allowed to control your life for ONE MORE SECOND.

I hope this helps...
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This post is worthy of its own thread..... Maybe even a sticky!!!!

 

[Div6]

Marty answered me last night. I was waiting for okay from him to post it, but then re-read my original email to him and realized that he knew it was for posting on ESMB. So, here is what he answered to me:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alanzo,
I don't think there is any standard procedure anywhere in the Church anymore. It is a hey-you org board, and only one guy really gets to say hey you. And that fellow has got some serious issues brewing. I wasn't on that logistical level when I was there but I imagine it goes something like this:

a) Study the poster's pattern, put a profile together and keep adding to it till you get a picture of what orgs he was at, what case level he is,
when he likely was there.
b) Run the profile by Ethics Officers and files and narrow down the identity.
c) Figure out any connections that might be important to the person who value their good standing with the Church.
d) Have the connections approach the fellow and persuade him to knock off the posting.
e) If "d" fails, or if it is not an ex Scnst, get trolls to try to drive the fellow into apathy and off the boards.
f) If the person is a real pain in the ass, get some PI's onto him and see whether you can't get some discreditable dirt on him.

Incidentally, trolls love to cause conflict among posters. Interesting fact, 25% of the documentation that Miscavige dumped on the Times to discredit me were posts by avowed anti-Scientologists dumping on me. That's right, right up there with the confessionals were a stack of posts off ESMB, OCMB, and ARS saying what a criminal Marty is.

Quite frankly that OSA NW is a joke now. Miscavige has blown off the only folk who could ever get it to work. Which leads me to the original disclaimer, who knows what the chaos behind the pretty walls might do at this point. Just take another listen to the Tommy Davis melt down on the SP Times webpage. He is channeling Miscavige there. It was unfiltered Miscavige. With nobody left to buffer Miscavige's insanity to the
outside world and staff where this puppy goes is anybody's guess.

Sorry if you were looking for more certainty. That is as honest an assessment as I can deliver.

Marty[/FONT]
(via email)

Thanks Al. Finally some content to your posts! whistling: )

Sounds like Marty to me.

 

[Alanzo]

See the latest updates at Marty's original post above.

 

[Alanzo]

And here's a link to the Sitting Bull article Marty mentions in his updated email:

http://www.scientology-cult.com/great-middle-path.html

 

[Spirited]

thanks Alanzo,
I'm not surprised that they use negative comments or data posted by an ex to discredit another ex. what next??
" be nice to the ex's so not to give CofS fodder to feed off!" I say
besides its good manners too.

 

[Alanzo]

Also note an important step he added, as well:
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b) Get trolls in touch through chat rooms and the like to learn more.

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My comment on this:

I've seen people drop their guard in chat and PMs.

Personally, the cult can't get me. I am not anonymous. I applied the "safepointing" pl many years ago.

But anyone who is anonymous for good reason should watch this tactic.

Don't be afraid - and whatever you do, don't stop speaking out and eliminating any controls or vulnerabilities they have on you. But be on the lookout for people pumping you for locational info, dates and times, etc.

 

[Alanzo]

Marty did confirm there are other things he is doing.

I'm beginning to believe in this guy.

Trust is a hard thing after the cult.

But you gotta start somewhere....

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Marty did confirm there are other things he is doing.

I'm beginning to believe in this guy.

Trust is a hard thing after the cult.

But you gotta start somewhere....

Yes, I believe actions speak louder than words in this case. Sure he probably has a lot to answer for, but its not the time.

 

[Ladybird]

Is Marty "Sitting Bull"? If so I am deeply offended as a Native American. I always thought the site: http://www.scientology-cult.com/great-middle-path.html was a bunch of Hubbard lovers waiting in the wings to take over the cash cow L. Ron Hubbard created.

Create your own con. Another Palace Coup is not going to be tolerated, even by the few true beleivers (akaeluded Adherents) that are still left in Hubbards cult.

David Miscavige (aka; "Slappy", the tiny dainty asthmatic chain smoking alcoholic dwarf with the HUGE Napolean complex) needs to stay right where he is. Nappy Slappy Miscavige is doing more to expose the truth about scientology than all of us could hope for.

Keep on keepin' on with those wonderful "handlings" DM! They are working for us!

 

[Alanzo]

thanks Alanzo,
I'm not surprised that they use negative comments or data posted by an ex to discredit another ex. what next??
" be nice to the ex's so not to give CofS fodder to feed off!" I say
besides its good manners too.

You have to remember what a complete failure those "DA Packs" were which were given to the SP Times.

The reporters would not even accept them as they could see right through it. They also completely destroyed their own credibility with existing Scientologists and even new ones: there is no longer ANY pretense of "confidentiality" any more. They have completely destroyed any trust or loyalty anyone may have had to them for any "spiritual" counseling now.

They are saying: "We will keep your sessions confidential as long as we deem necessary."

In other words - there is absolutely no confidentiality any more.

Marty says below that 25% of those DA packs were posts from Exes and Anti-Scientologists talking about what a psycho and what a criminal he was.

Well, I say there's a big mess here. And everyone's got their own pile.

So we better start cleaning.

But there's no need to censor yourself, or stop yourself from saying exactly what you think about anyone or anything anywhere.

We had enough of that in the cult.