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Lulu Belle

Moonbat
There was a single key for "Ack and shred", and in response to a satisfactory answer you could just hit it, and it would send a "Thank you" back, and shred the comm cycle, and bring up the next one, all within one second.

Does this mean you couldn't electronically save any of your messages?
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Does this mean you couldn't electronically save any of your messages?

You could save them if you wanted to, but at the time I was there one was allowed a very limited amount of storage space. Something like 500 "blocks", a "block" being about a screenful, 14" monitor, 12 point type.

Paul
 

Terril park

Sponsor
LULUBELLE
I have deliberately avoided situations where I would be communicating with a "Scientologist in good standing" because I didn't want to "get them in trouble".
[snip]

I have very mixed feelings about this whole issue. I guess I'll have to work through them."

BB
I totally understand. A few days ago I was in that same position. A mutual friend is being involuntarily retained in a mental hospital, something thats happened many times. He asked me to get another friend to come and visit, who had often done so in the past. So I phoned this person, an old friend actually and a really nice person. Turns out he was told at flag that it was not OK to contact the bi-polar friend as he'd " changed sides" and gone to the psyches instead of the church. Its a terrible shame he is told that and that he obeys that. The Bi-polar friend went type 3 on study of PTS/SP course, and escaped baby watch and did enough things that the authorities
had to take him in by force. In truth they were justified in that. The apparency was that he was very dangerous to others. ( he wasn't in fact).
However walking into a police station with an imitation toy revolver is not the way to impress said authorities.

I told this friend that he might be violating his own code of honour. He had looked at this and decided, no doubt helped by flag ethics, that the greatest good was disconnection.

In the end I told him about the FZ, that Class XIIs and LRH trained class VIIIs were available there and so on.

He'll probably get in trouble, He was writing down the names of people I mentioned who are openly delivering. This may minimise trouble as he reports to " matters of RTC concern."

But he knows that he ever gets big problems tech is available. He knows doing tech in the FZ he won't be told to disconnect to a friend in trouble.

Its so sad to see someone of such great ability and affinity follow unwittingly the dark side.

So Lulu, Mick and whoever, it may be that letting those you contact you
know that tech is available outside COS may be is helpful to all.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

http://internationalfreezone.net
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
LULUBELLE
I have deliberately avoided situations where I would be communicating with a "Scientologist in good standing" because I didn't want to "get them in trouble".
[snip]

I have very mixed feelings about this whole issue. I guess I'll have to work through them."

BB
I totally understand. A few days ago I was in that same position. A mutual friend is being involuntarily retained in a mental hospital, something thats happened many times. He asked me to get another friend to come and visit, who had often done so in the past. So I phoned this person, an old friend actually and a really nice person. Turns out he was told at flag that it was not OK to contact the bi-polar friend as he'd " changed sides" and gone to the psyches instead of the church. Its a terrible shame he is told that and that he obeys that. The Bi-polar friend went type 3 on study of PTS/SP course, and escaped baby watch and did enough things that the authorities
had to take him in by force. In truth they were justified in that. The apparency was that he was very dangerous to others. ( he wasn't in fact).
However walking into a police station with an imitation toy revolver is not the way to impress said authorities.

I told this friend that he might be violating his own code of honour. He had looked at this and decided, no doubt helped by flag ethics, that the greatest good was disconnection.

In the end I told him about the FZ, that Class XIIs and LRH trained class VIIIs were available there and so on.

He'll probably get in trouble, He was writing down the names of people I mentioned who are openly delivering. This may minimise trouble as he reports to " matters of RTC concern."

But he knows that he ever gets big problems tech is available. He knows doing tech in the FZ he won't be told to disconnect to a friend in trouble.

Its so sad to see someone of such great ability and affinity follow unwittingly the dark side.

So Lulu, Mick and whoever, it may be that letting those you contact you
know that tech is available outside COS may be is helpful to all.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

http://internationalfreezone.net

The only thing that's not surprising me about this is that your friend isn't *already* 'in trouble' for still being 'connected' to you.

Hasn't he reported this 'comm' to RTC? Hasn't he been called into 'Ethics' for his 'PTS condition'?

Zinj
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Well Zinj, I expect he's on solo NOTS. I connected to him. He has the out, thank goodness, of reporting class XIIs and class VIIIs.

He didn't contact me. I contacted him. he gets in trouble he knows he has alternatives.

He now knows there is a way out from COS if he ever needs it.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Hopefully not much trouble. We havn't spoke for around 20 years, and the
reason I did was because he had disconnected from our mutual friend, and I was passing on a message not knowing about the dissconnection. He'll also be writing up the names of the FZ auditors I mentioned to OSA /RTC and thus looking like a good member. They won't mind, they are openly on the auditor list on the international Freezone website.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
You know, Mick, I'm sure you're right about this.

But I have to admit I have trouble with this, too.

I have deliberately avoided situations where I would be communicating with a "Scientologist in good standing" because I didn't want to "get them in trouble".

Ah! I sympathize. But - and this took me a long time to get my head round - it is not YOU who is getting them it trouble.

There are two different scenarios at work here.

a) Knowing that it will screw them up, we declared people start contacting people, Knowing that this will result in trouble.

b) In going about our daily lives we encounter someone who happens to be a Scientologist and talk to them.

In scenario (a) we would be being impolite pigs.

In scenario (b) if a Scientologist has problems talking with people who may or may not be declared out in the real world then he or she has no business being out there. Period.

The two things are somewhat mirror images of each other - in the first example I have no 'right' to bring my own issues into the affairs of others (in a purely social context) but, by the same token (in example (b)) they do not have the right to do it either.

The reason for this is that when I was in, I had a couple of situations where a person that I had known who left the church got me in trouble by implying that we were still in contact with each other. And a "wog" friend of mine from before I got into Scientology did something similar.

The first one sounds like an example of (a), not sure about your pre scientology friend would fit on that - what would it matter?

But anyway , ultimately the pressure to change this ridiculous state of affairs has got to come from the idiots inside who are busy following it.


To me, it's sort of sort of a "respect" thing. If you were a Scientologist, you know the deal. You know that you could be causing this person a lot of hassle; possibly a lot of money, by them being in contact with you.

Actually Lulu its a disrespect thing. For example - I don't take into consideration what the ecclesiastical ramifications are for a Roman Catholic who talks to me - there may be none, there may be a ton. That's THEIR cross to bear (lol) - that's the cost THEY have to pay to be in the real world.

If their personal religious beliefs cause them problems - too bad.

I am not about to let THEIR beliefs cause ME problems.

By buying into this you are helping perpetuate it. Neither of us are responsible (thank god) for how the CofS and its members behave. Any more than I am responsible for Muslim distaste for my side order of bacon.

I didn't like it when it happened to me, and so I try not to do it to others.

Then again, if "respecting" Scientology's beliefs means cutting yourself off from family, that's a whole different thing.

Why on earth would you or I respect something that we want no part of and I consider harmful? I agree with you in the sense of being polite to others and I would certainly not go out of my way to publicly challenge people about their personal beliefs merely because I wish to be polite. Not out of "respect" for their beliefs.

I have very mixed feelings about this whole issue. I guess I'll have to work through them.

one more 'legacy' - :duh:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
The trouble comes from the churchie knowingly talking to a declared SP. If he doesn't know he's talking to one, and the SP chooses not to enlighten him, as far as I know the churchie would not get raked over the coals when the fact of the declare comes to light.
When I got declared, I never considered it my job to inform my churchie friends. I looked on it as putting entheta on their lines. I considered it the :shark:'s hat to ARC break my friends with their :shithitfan:, not mine.

Paul
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Wanna know how large a freeloader bill can get?

Ok, just for snits and giggles, I have decided to write out all of the training and processing that I have done, just so you all have it in one place....


Admin training:

EPF Courses
Staff Status One and Two
Exec Status One
OEC Vol 0 and 5
A zillion Full Hats
KTL/LOC


Tech Training:

Student Hat
PRO TR's
Upper Indoc TR's Course
Level 0 - IV
Class IV INternship (pre-GAT and post GAT - twice)
Class V Course and Intership (PreGAT and post GAT)
Grad V Auditor Course
Grad V Auditor intership (pre-GAT)
Class 4 C/S Course and INternship
Class 5 C/S Course and Internship
Class V Grad Course and Internship
Class VI (GAT) and Internship (GAT)
Class IV C/S Course again (not GAT, they just made me redo it)
Mini Course Sup Course
Pro Word Clearer Course and Internship
Pro Sup Course and Intership (at least twice - one pre GAT and one Post GAT)
All the tech specialist courses: Allergy/Asthma, Fear of People, Assists, Intro Auditing, Group Processing, Vital Info RD, Happiness Rundown, Scn DRD Auditor Course, and probably a few more.
CCRD Auditor Course
(I also studied the entire Running Program for FESing, but never C/Sed or delivered it)
KTL and LOC Delivery Courses
Processing:

FPRD on 8 dynamics at least twice. And at least 25 more tailormade FPRD Forms (not exagerating)
Attested Clear, then did OT I - IV
Then I did Grades: ARC SW to Grade IV (yes, as an OT IV)
Started on NOTS. Got up to step 16, which is the one that addresses R/Ses.

Thats all I remember for now. More may come to mind later.

Having done alot of these actions twice, I "have" to pay for them twice.:unsure:

I am a keyed out OT with full perception, cleared on all 8 dynamics and a perfect being. Now I gotta fix the rest of the world so they can see it too....:eek:
 
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Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
I am a keyed out OT with full perception, cleared on all 8 dynamics and a perfect being. Now I gotta fix the rest of the world so they can see it too....:eek:

LOL

I believe you have a good case to go before some Gov Agency-Human Resource and demand you get your basic minimum pay for being enslaved most of your life.:)
 
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Div6

Crusader
(I also studied the entire Running Program for FESing, but never C/Sed or delivered it)


What can you tell us about this? It has yet to be officially released, and has been characterized as "punishment" wherein a person runs around a pole for 5 hours (or more) a day.



Processing:

FPRD on 8 dynamics at least twice. And at least 25 more tailormade FPRD Forms (not exagerating)
:duh:
25!!!!!

How many were about DM. and 'critical thoughts about mamagement'?


Started on NOTS. Got up to step 16, which is the one that addresses R/Ses
.:eek:

How ..... well, words just fail me. I mean, if they really wanted a world without insanity, criminality and war.....

I am a keyed out OT with full perception, cleared on all 8 dynamics and a perfect being. Now I gotta fix the rest of the world so they can see it too....:eek:


I just saw a pig fly.....I guess I should go attest now...:D
 

OHTEEATE

Silver Meritorious Patron
running program aka Cause Resurgence Rundown

The new Super Power building has a super secret round room on the top floor, where the Cause Resurgence Rundown will be delivered, eventually. You can fill in the bits you know that you read or heard. It is a program of running around a pole, in a certain direction, I think, correct me if I am wrong about that. You run until exhausted, then rest a short while and then run some more. It is supposed to run out exhaustion, and reinvigorate a being. You can just see the ambulances at the entrance to the building now, can't you? Another heart attack...Mike
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
I read the issues in 89, so my mind is rusty on it. Probably shouldn't have even mentioned it. Oh well, what I do remember is you run around a stationary object (such as a pole), keeping your attention on the pole. The purpose of running around it is to suck out negative energy and put it into the pole. Something like that. It is supposed to free up attention units. The EP I saw was like "What the ..... What does that have to do with anything??" Something about communication.

I think its all day, not 5 hours per day. It's a full time rundown, until you are Ep'ed. I could be wrong on that though.

Sorry I dont remember more. My memory can likely be jogged though.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I read the issues in 89, so my mind is rusty on it. Probably shouldn't have even mentioned it. Oh well, what I do remember is you run around a stationary object (such as a pole), keeping your attention on the pole. The purpose of running around it is to suck out negative energy and put it into the pole. Something like that. It is supposed to free up attention units. The EP I saw was like "What the ..... What does that have to do with anything??" Something about communication.

I think its all day, not 5 hours per day. It's a full time rundown, until you are Ep'ed. I could be wrong on that though.

Sorry I dont remember more. My memory can likely be jogged though.

Maybe this will help. From my archive at http://www.fzglobal.org/w040917-041116.htm#383

When I worked at New World Corps, in 1986 I read a few pilot issues on
the Running Program (the name later became the "Cause Resurgence
Rundown", I believe). From what I recall, the whole rundown is about
the physical handling of a long-ago implant. The handling involves
moving the body around in a circle about a central point, like a pole.
The "running track" is supposed to be exactly 200 feet in diameter.
It is not important if the person move the body under his own steam or
if it is pushed in a wheelchair. The implant has to do with handling
of energy in the MEST universe.

And there was one issue about taking minerals, mentioning that
minerals were very important in the biochemical communications in the
endocrine system, and possibly minerals were more important than
vitamins to the body.

My comments re the above:

After listening to the "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape, and remembering
that issue above, I've been taking liquid colloidal minerals pretty
much daily since leaving the SO, and notice the difference if I stop
taking them.

I never did the RD. I spoke to one person I remember who had done it,
[David Flood, who I had known at SH in the 70s and early 80s]
5 hours daily running for a couple of months, and he said he found it
beneficial. But I wouldn't have expected him to say it was a load of
crap if he had found it so.

Also, I once trained for a marathon about 20 years ago, and I felt
really great with the increased physical fitness from running several
miles around East Grinstead each evening. The physical benefits of
that carried over to mental benefits too.

It would be interesting to test out that issue on the RD by having a
mechanical device like a Merry-Go-Round, with seats at the stated 100
feet from a pole in the center, and then see what results come from
solely the five hours a day of going around in a circle without
simultaneously exercising one's physical body to any extent. I don't
recall anything in the issues on what one was supposed to think about,
so whether or not it would be OK to chat with others or watch TV even,
I don't know.

But I can't imagine Flag public paying $5,000 or some such, when they
finally get the SP building open for business, to spend five hours a
day sitting on a carousel watching TV!

Paul
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Well, I do know that your attention is to be directed specifically. Something like all your thoughts need to be directed at and into the pole. (To get rid of them or something).
 

Div6

Crusader
Thanks Whatever. I do appreciate your answering my questions.


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"Whenever I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for Peace." - Duane Allman
 

The Oracle

Gold Meritorious Patron
"It is not important if the person move the body under his own steam or
if it is pushed in a wheelchair".


I can just see all the celebrities arriving with the motorized wheelchairs set on automatic.

Well, this does sound like the deal of the century! I have my pole and the track measured off. If I tie some lambchops to the pole my dogs can run behind me and get some benefit too! I just need to know if I have to run clockwise or counterclockwise and then I intend to get back to you with my results!

Does anyone know what direction? Is it clockwise or counter clockwise?
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
I forgot to mention that there is a second abortion which occured. (hell, my whole story is out, let's tell the rest...). No, this is not part II, that one has to wait still.

Anyways, when I completed the RPF, somewhere in 2000 or 2001, my husband and I were still together. And I ended up pregnant. We went on LOA to visit his family in Europe and that was where I discovered that I was pregnant.

We talked his Scientologist sister into paying for the abortion. She knew what the money was for.

We did it in a little town out there (it was hard to find someone who would do them because they were illegal out there).

Anyways, due to the scheduling of the abortion, I was going to end up returning from LOA one day late. What a flap that was! My org called me 10 times a day to find out what was going on. I would not explain over the phone what was happening. I just told them I would be back one day later. So when I got back, the abortion was not done very well and I was in a lot of pain and needed rest. I had been travelling for almost 24 hours already.

My org was very angry at me for returning late and it was about to get into justice. I explained that I had to get an abortion. I got about 5 seconds of sympathy (totally unexpected) and then they expected me to be on post and get on with things. I could barely move and I was pretty sure there was an infection.

Anyways, odly enough, I ended up reading positive on pregnant and could not get birth control pills. Turns out the abortion was not completed properly and I had to get alot of treatment in order to clean it up so I would be back in good health. Through all this I was expected to be on post full time 12 + hours per day. I was still reading pregant 3 months after the abortion. (finally completed to resolution when I was on the RPF again.

Meanwhile, that whole flap happened with my RPF twin and he was ordered bac to the RPF, and I had to go too. And that was the begining of the end of my marriage for good. He got tired of waiting for me.

There is more to the story of how I ended up back on the RPF and the begining part of that which I am noting here to remind myself about for the next installment of my forever neverending story.
 

RolandRB

Rest in Peace
The new Super Power building has a super secret round room on the top floor, where the Cause Resurgence Rundown will be delivered, eventually. You can fill in the bits you know that you read or heard. It is a program of running around a pole, in a certain direction, I think, correct me if I am wrong about that. You run until exhausted, then rest a short while and then run some more. It is supposed to run out exhaustion, and reinvigorate a being. You can just see the ambulances at the entrance to the building now, can't you? Another heart attack...Mike

Errm... Actually it was me who made that up along with the Transformer Vault Rundown in the basement. I am glad it is doing the rounds in peoples imaginations and spreading with "Have you heard?"s. In my version, you run round the pole for days if need, wearing animal suits with numbers on the back until your energy returns and you start running round with your arms out and go "Weeeeee" -- and that is the E.P.. David Miscavige has a large window to watch it all while he sips on his orange juice.

The Transformer Vault Rundown is for those who don't make it on the Pole Running Rundown.

It is so easy to start stories like this and have them do the rounds but if you come across a bizarre one then remember my sense of humour (British).
 
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