Good. Because if Dex had any conviction in that what he is doing was right, he would have commented some of my vary obvious points in this thread. He didn't.
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Good. Because if Dex had any conviction in that what he is doing was right, he would have commented some of my vary obvious points in this thread. He didn't.
Mark A. Baker
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I used to have this running joke with a friend I worked with in a printing company in New Jersey: "Don't take this the wrong way, but go fuck yourself"
Love, Dex
From what I understand of the New Jersey sub-dialect of american english (admittedly limited), the commonly heard phrase "go f@ck yourself" performs something of the same linguistic function as a term of endearment or casual pleasantry such as "yes, dear" or "hey, how's it going?".
Mark A. Baker
AlphOhm
Traveler of time/space
I used to have this running joke with a friend I worked with in a printing company in New Jersey: "Don't take this the wrong way, but go fuck yourself"
Love, Dex
From what I understand of the New Jersey sub-dialect of american english (admittedly limited), the commonly heard phrase "go f@ck yourself" performs something of the same linguistic function as a term of endearment or casual pleasantry such as "yes, dear" or "hey, how's it going?".
Mark A. Baker
Pacific NW--couple buddies and I in high school used shoulder punching and calling each other the "c" word as terms of endearment.
Mark A. Baker
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Yes, I am indeed quite happy these days, thank you for asking.
Did I ever say I wanted to have an intelligent conversation? Facts, baby, you got them?
You're the one casting unsupported aspersions on another. All we've seen from you is unsubstantiated smear. A fair case can be made that your actions can be construed as an anonymously conducted campaign of public libel. Burden of proof lies with the accuser.
Mark A. Baker
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Terril park
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You want to name and shame the scammers?
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Not really, no. I am aware of some, but until the person's making the accusations go public, which is unlikely, I'm satisfied with just raising people's awareness that they should be careful when approaching any unregulated and unsupervised group based on the work of an acknowledged con-man and self-confessed manipulator of all mankind. (Admissions)
Mark A. Baker
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I like Dexter; not so sure he likes me
But, anyone professionally offering auditing *here* is going to be up for charges of 'scam' just out of the box.
'Proof' is going to be iffy and a waste of time.
Luckily, people who actually *believe* in their own scams get over the carpings of unbelievers. Usually.
Zinj
Dexter likes everyone!
Even the unlikeable, such as DM. He just doesn't like the unlikeable as much as he likes the likeable.
It's a result of his high arc for people generally.
Fortunately, it's not a personal characteristic I happen to share with him.
Mark A. Baker
Mark A. Baker
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More accurately, you haven't posted any comments worthy of his response.
Mark A. Baker
More accurately, you haven't posted any comments worthy of his response.
Mark A. Baker
, maybe you can post a better response when you're fully awake.MrN.
Are you scared?
Terril park
Sponsor
Would I ask if I were?
How would I know?
uniquemand
Unbeliever
I can tell you the name of one of the guys that I don't trust, and who I've had reports was a scammer and a ripoff artist, and who I got a personal impression of "used car salesman" and "self-important ass" from.
Rey Robles.
Rey Robles.
dexter gelfand
Patron Meritorious
How shallow. "Obvious points?" Hardly. You've been trying to steer this conversation into a debate about my honesty and nature, in effect exposing yourself. Posing as "looking for facts". Prove you aren't a mass murderer. That's your strategy, isn't it- make accusations that nobody can disprove of themselves. A transparent attempt to smear me.
You operate like OSA. Interesting!
How's that working out for you, Mr Nobody?
Love, Dex
You didn't (want to) see my point(s)? How surprising...
That would have taken some sort of self-reflection, wouldn't it?
And you're thinking I'm exposing myself here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1FKJ3kHOD8
AlphOhm
Traveler of time/space
You didn't (want to) see my point(s)? How surprising...
That would have taken some sort of self-reflection, wouldn't it?
And you're thinking I'm exposing myself here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1FKJ3kHOD8
Needs moar 50 Hitler poasts.
Oh wait, wrong board...
nvm
Smells like teen spirit
degraded being
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Yeah I know Emma made the rules. It is a usual gambit from the FZers to tell critics this. She didn't make any rules that I cannot post on any particular threads here AFAIK. You have given me advice (about whining) and I will give you advice. Peddle your cult stuff somewhere else and forget about the scientology version of love bombing which is the manipulative ARC bombing. Except it is not working, is it?
uniquemand
Unbeliever
It's quite fine to discuss the issues you may find in any topic, but there is no reason to cast aspersions, or to get personal.
This has descended into a grudge-match. That's where I think it should go, at this point.
Discussion of ARC as being manipulative is interesting, and certainly it can be used as "love-bombing" (this would be strictly affinity), but that is really artificial.
It's not disingenuous to discuss something with someone that they are interested in, show whatever interest you have in it, and build common understanding. Doing this in service to an agenda to dominate them or herd them is abhorrent, to me, and always felt like a fast one to me when I was being coached on the dissem drill. But using ARC to build a relationship is not, by itself, a problem or an evil act. I don't use the term anymore, I prefer a word like "engagement" or "rapport".
This has descended into a grudge-match. That's where I think it should go, at this point.
Discussion of ARC as being manipulative is interesting, and certainly it can be used as "love-bombing" (this would be strictly affinity), but that is really artificial.
It's not disingenuous to discuss something with someone that they are interested in, show whatever interest you have in it, and build common understanding. Doing this in service to an agenda to dominate them or herd them is abhorrent, to me, and always felt like a fast one to me when I was being coached on the dissem drill. But using ARC to build a relationship is not, by itself, a problem or an evil act. I don't use the term anymore, I prefer a word like "engagement" or "rapport".
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
When a Scientologist uses ARC with a wog, they are doing so to generate agreement about Scientology being positive - true or false?
I can understand the use of ARC in an auditing session. Strip away the Scientologese and you're right, it is basically engagement and rapport. Nothing wrong with that - PROVIDED the PC knows BEFORE HAND that they are participating in a religious activity. Out in the "wild", though, I find the application of the ARC model to be manipulative in that the user has a pre-determined end-goal in mind.
Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps Dexter and I can have ARC on any number of subjects other than Scientology. His advertising in a food co-op newsletter is an interesting avenue we could probably explore. I'm involved with a food co-op myself. But, given the application of ARC, can I expect our possible shared reality in the need for alternative means of food production and distribution going forward will mean the discussion will, eventually, become coloured with references to Scientology beliefs as part of a gradual selling process?
Do you get what I'm saying? Its a bit like dealing with staunch Christians: sure, I can maintain friendly relations but there will always be a "hands off" distance in their dialogue with me. There won't be any genuine "affinity" as such, just the exercising of the common manners required for everyone to get along sufficiently well that we can all exercise our rights without impinging on the other. Perhaps that's all Dexter is talking about.
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