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cantsay

Patron Meritorious
Hang on, I knew a past-life clear who was made to do her grades - protesting the whole freaking way- at Flag before the GAT came out. When they did the whole "arbitraries cancelled" thing, she was told she didnt actually need to, and it took a while to get over the ARCX of lsing all that money for nothing - AND THEYVE BROUGHT IT BACK IN AGAIN??????? WTF??? Did they realise it made fantastic amounts of money the first time so they will try again or something??? Jeez louise.

This thread has made me realise something. I left when my life was extremely stressful , hell on earth, and I was at the end of my tether. Ive always wondered what would have happened if Id been "strong enough" to stay and keep fighting the out-tech/ethics/policy that made me leave....

I would have blown later anyway!!! This "youre a past life clear but have to do the bridge again" would have made me furious. The Ideal Org and Basic Books rubbish would have totally tipped me over the edge. Our field only had half a dozen people actually moving on the bridge and donating to the IAS. I shudder to think what financial state they are in now.
 

Been Done Had

Patron with Honors
You're a sharp cookie HAB!

You've used a scalpel to carve away tons of bullshit to expose the diamond of insanity inside. Thanks!

Good bullet points for when the next recovery cycle happens!

BDH
 

Carmel

Crusader
You're a sharp cookie HAB!

You've used a scalpel to carve away tons of bullshit to expose the diamond of insanity inside. Thanks!

Good bullet points for when the next recovery cycle happens!
BDH

Agreed, and yep - a good story for those still in or on the fence, to help make that recovery cycle begin. :)
 

Happy Aberree

Patron with Honors
thanks for all the support -- nearly fleed

Thanks everybody for the support, I'm nearly there...

Lovin' it, HAB !!

So many memories !!!!

When the thing about Grades came out, I began to audit them on the OTs on staff.

Guess who stopped me?

Thr RTC Rep at the AO - she couldn't even give me a reference :p

Amazing that I didn't twig then to the magnitude of the scam.

Moar please - looking forward to your next steps on the Bridge to Total Fleedom, :drama:

You said it Scooter. Anything that short-circuits the current system. eg how much auditing is occurring in the fields? That action was said to make orgs boom. "If auditing is occurring in the field, orgs will boom" -- but it short-circuits the system. You can't fleece what you don't know about.

I remember in 1991 or 1992, when the OT5 "rediscovered" tech was being sold to everyone there and above, and when the big amnesty came out. Owen Starkey gave a talk at Flag, explaining how to do the amnesty. He also thanked us for being "guinea pigs", but now we had the tech in order. :no:

So, it looks like you did the more modern (streamlined?) Bridge to Total Flee-dom. I'm guessing it's much smoother than it was for the old exes. They had rudimentary DABBL and DUM tech then, but no A-SCN RD.

See they were not totally standard and thus failed -- they should have finished their A-SCN immediately. Thanks for support. I remember at that time - early 90s - RTC missionaires came to ANZO and pulled all OT 5 case folders then gave special briefing. These OTs weren't clear! Round em up...

Been loving your story. :)

Being an OEC/FEBC [ includes some form of DSEC] I can appreciate it.
You've made some comments on matters more clearly than anyone IMO.

You're good with acronyms. You wanna be a guru? :)

Cheers very much. I don't believe in gurus (anymore). One of the abilities gained onthe fleedom bridge i think.

This thread has made me realise something. I left when my life was extremely stressful , hell on earth, and I was at the end of my tether. Ive always wondered what would have happened if Id been "strong enough" to stay and keep fighting the out-tech/ethics/policy that made me leave....

I would have blown later anyway!!!

Cantsay, I truly believe that it is better that you left when you did. If you didn't you could still be there and not due to leave until 2012.



Okay here we go, nearly there guys please bear with me a little longer (everything I state here is opinion ie maybe true/false/cheeseburgers),

I had started the A-SCN RD and was stalling. Compared to what I know now, I had still looked at only a few sites/sources on the internet, and I still wasn't sure.

This is where I first found the ESMB and looked at the forums.

I had been curious about some ex-$cns that I had heard about from Sydney. I had known them to some degree when they were still on lines and contributing. After googling several versions of ex-$cn Sydney/Australia a post caught my eye.

I checked it out avidly read through and became more and more aghast as this lovely lady explained one of the last torments she had endured in the church. After a couple of installments I froze, "I know this person!" It was Carmel (Hi Carmel!) and I was totally amazed. As I read on I realised that I also knew this story!!! But the version i had heard was very abbreviated and had about 1% of the details that she had actually endured in her '9-levels-of-hell-inquisition'.

I couldn't believe this -- here I was worried about what might happen to me if I looked at certain things anti- to $cn, when this lady had gone 15 rounds with the Soul-Crushers -- and survived!!

The concept: "Fu*ck It!" appeared very clearly in my mind. I was calm. I was relaxed. Everything was moving really slow (like molasses in the winter time). And then I got really pissed. "You sonsofbitches. You snakes!! Not even snakes -- you eels in snakes clothing!!!

"F*ck you, I'm finishing my goddamn rundown!!" I promised. I had to quickly check with my c/s (that was actually me at the time) and it was green-light all the way.

I ran through a couple more posts.

"Yeah, you got that right!"
"Too right, mate!!"
"That's the goddamn truth!"

Then I found Feral's story and this was another big one for me, because I had known him also. I read his story. Holy Molasses! I had known him back when I was I on crew and knew of his contributions to a degree. For him to go through that and explain it as he did was amazing. Both these stories clinched it for me and I understood why.

These guys and gals -- I knew. They weren't an angry mob of SPs all spewing vitriol at anyone who approached. They were hard-core motherfu*kers who had paid sweat and blood for their church, their team. They had played hard for years at this game. They had taken hits that would petrify most people. They had fought and fought the enemy and not given in.

And their reward had been a big, shiny, glowing "FUCK YOU!" from the sponsors.

I carried on surfing the forums as the data sunk in. I was coming down off a high. The high of completing the A-SCN Rundown. Relief was just washing over me. Even if this wasn't the top of the bridge to total fleedom I certainly felt fleed.

--more soon, and thanks everybody for all your support!
HAB
 

Bone

Patron
I had been curious about some ex-$cns that I had heard about from Sydney. I had known them to some degree when they were still on lines and contributing. After googling several versions of ex-$cn Sydney/Australia a post caught my eye.

I checked it out avidly read through and became more and more aghast as this lovely lady explained one of the last torments she had endured in the church. After a couple of installments I froze, "I know this person!" It was Carmel (Hi Carmel!) and I was totally amazed. As I read on I realised that I also knew this story!!! But the version i had heard was very abbreviated and had about 1% of the details that she had actually endured in her '9-levels-of-hell-inquisition'.

I couldn't believe this -- here I was worried about what might happen to me if I looked at certain things anti- to $cn, when this lady had gone 15 rounds with the Soul-Crushers -- and survived!!

The concept: "Fu*ck It!" appeared very clearly in my mind. I was calm. I was relaxed. Everything was moving really slow (like molasses in the winter time). And then I got really pissed. "You sonsofbitches. You snakes!! Not even snakes -- you eels in snakes clothing!!!

"F*ck you, I'm finishing my goddamn rundown!!" I promised. I had to quickly check with my c/s (that was actually me at the time) and it was green-light all the way.

I ran through a couple more posts.

"Yeah, you got that right!"
"Too right, mate!!"
"That's the goddamn truth!"

Then I found Feral's story and this was another big one for me, because I had known him also. I read his story. Holy Molasses! I had known him back when I was I on crew and knew of his contributions to a degree. For him to go through that and explain it as he did was amazing. Both these stories clinched it for me and I understood why.

These guys and gals -- I knew. They weren't an angry mob of SPs all spewing vitriol at anyone who approached. They were hard-core motherfu*kers who had paid sweat and blood for their church, their team. They had played hard for years at this game. They had taken hits that would petrify most people. They had fought and fought the enemy and not given in.

And their reward had been a big, shiny, glowing "FUCK YOU!" from the sponsors.

I carried on surfing the forums as the data sunk in. I was coming down off a high. The high of completing the A-SCN Rundown. Relief was just washing over me. Even if this wasn't the top of the bridge to total fleedom I certainly felt fleed.

--more soon, and thanks everybody for all your support!
HAB

This right there is particularly damning for them. As much as they want to play the "the critics are paid by psychs/CIA/FBI" or they're "rabid and slavering SP's" game, it don't work when its with the peeps you know.

Powerful stuff!
 

Feral

Rogue male
Strewth HAB! You are making me very glad that I wrote my full story. I'm very happy that it helped you to see the overall game.

I'm amazed at your write up and how you cut to the truth in such a piss funny way.:thumbsup:

Cheesburgers to you too.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Strewth HAB! You are making me very glad that I wrote my full story. I'm very happy that it helped you to see the overall game.

I'm amazed at your write up and how you cut to the truth in such a piss funny way.:thumbsup:

Cheesburgers to you too.

Ditto! :thumbsup:

HAB, I'm thankful you got up to that point where you could 'look', and that you're out. Here's to other folks we care about, still oblivious to the real scene and 'trapped', doing the same. :)

I recall you as a smart, cute kid, but it's been years. Looking forward to seeing you again and saying g'day to the man. :coolwink:
 

Happy Aberree

Patron with Honors
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Hang on, I knew a past-life clear who was made to do her grades - protesting the whole freaking way- at Flag before the GAT came out. When they did the whole "arbitraries cancelled" thing, she was told she didnt actually need to, and it took a while to get over the ARCX of lsing all that money for nothing - AND THEYVE BROUGHT IT BACK IN AGAIN??????? WTF??? Did they realise it made fantastic amounts of money the first time so they will try again or something??? Jeez louise.

Cantsay, one point I wanted to make, and its related to the whole stats thing -- STATS are priority #1 -- when I was in the SO. I didn't realise it until I was a public. Working in with stats and conditions formulas, is Successful Actions, but this is generally looked at in a very short-sighted way by (IMO) most staff. Whatever gets the stats up was the successful action. That's why SO and staff members stay up till 3 in the morning (because last week it got the stats up). But its not looking at any long-term effects (like uh... there's only so many hours in the day)

So yeah, if something made money then, it will make money again -- even if it was an absolute cock-up. If the public bought it, it was successful. And after years of VERY GRADUAL indoctrination you go from:

a normal person hesitating to spend $30 on a book....

to a person who will pay $10,000 for repair auditing to fix $5,000 of bad auditing.

Before the basics evolution, individual books were being revised on a far lower gradient (new covers, extra lost chapter, hard cover, etc). And people bought it. "I have the book but I will buy the new one because they said it was better" These individual book releases paved the way for the Basics Evolution -- ALL BOOKS. And from memory the books that LRH listed as the basics were not all the books that they have now as the basics (I may be wrong there but don't think so)

Same goes for services:
Person is sold the idea that 'Clear handles all psychosomatic ills'; goes Clear but still ill; gets sold the idea of Non Interference zone will screw you up; goes OTIII; still gets sick; sold idea that OTV handles heavier somatics; goes OTV still sick; sold idea new release of pts/sp course (with never-before-seen-refs etc); ad infinitum. As long as the public is buying it, the c0$ keeps spinning it. There's always something else.

Thanks!

Good bullet points for when the next recovery cycle happens!

BDH

Cheers BDH. If this story helps one person decide to turn I will be over the moon.

Strewth HAB! You are making me very glad that I wrote my full story. I'm very happy that it helped you to see the overall game.

I'm amazed at your write up and how you cut to the truth in such a piss funny way.:thumbsup:

Cheesburgers to you too.

Feral you have no idea what you and others on this site have done. But this is a dedicated THANK YOU to YOU and Carmel.

Have a cheesburger for me

Ditto! :thumbsup:

HAB, I'm thankful you got up to that point where you could 'look', and that you're out. Here's to other folks we care about, still oblivious to the real scene and 'trapped', doing the same. :)

I recall you as a smart, cute kid, but it's been years. Looking forward to seeing you again and saying g'day to the man. :coolwink:

We will meet again soon. You ROCK!!! No lookin' back now. And thanks for all the advice.

HAB
--more story soon
 

FoTi

Crusader
Great story HAB. I'm sure that your story will most likely help someone else out as well. Thanks for posting.

Is there more? :drama:
 

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hi HAB,

Your story is written so well, your comic timing is perfect and it's good to be able to laugh at the ridiculousness.

Thanks. Your story will be very accessable to those who are doing their own rundows as we speak :D
 

Happy Aberree

Patron with Honors
Finally, The end

Okay, friends I think this about it,

Great story HAB. I'm sure that your story will most likely help someone else out as well. Thanks for posting.

Is there more? :drama:

Cheers Foti, one last installment below

Hi HAB,

Thanks. Your story will be very accessable to those who are doing their own rundows as we speak :D

I hope so HA, and thanks for the support.


Okay (everything I say here is my opinion i.e. could be true/false/cheesburgers/rock'n'roll)


Firstly, a small technical aside to refresh your memories:

FLEEDOM BRIDGE (so far)

LEVEL--- COST--- ABILITY GAINED

DIM RD--- (free)--- can hold your integrity vs local org strategies

DIS RD--- (free)--- can treat org staff like anyone else

DOE RD--- (free)--- can differentiate between reality and video

DUM RD--- (free)--- is able to neutralise altitude (altitude of post or rank etc)

DABBL RD--- (free)--- can recognise and evaluate data for yourself

A-SCN RD--- ($9)--- can take it or leave it ($9 is the price of 2 cheesburgers to snack on while on the net. NB. prices for this level may vary)

TBA -- TBA

[you should note that the Bridge to Total Flee-dom has the first rundowns at the top of the page and the last rundowns at the bottom unlike the $cn grade-chart which goes the other way. There are two reasons for this: firstly the flee-dom bridge is intrinsically the opposite of the $cn one and secondly it brings you DOWN....to earth. You have to do that before you can move up for real and get on with your life]


I was feeling truly relaxed and fleed. I was still surfing around on the net and checking stories from ex-SO members from up-lines and some shocking ones were posted by these guys.

A thought occurred to me about the first time I googled $cn on the internet all those years ago and how bad I felt afterwards. I was back now and running with it with no trouble. But something was bugging me and there was still more I needed to confront.

Even though I was lurking on ESMB you should know I still hadn't registered anywhere or posted anything. Actually the thought of that still made me shudder. And so I hadn't actually contacted anyone on the site. My only contact with someone who was "out" -- was a long-time friend I had who was overseas and the whole time that we were in $cn we had known each other and gotten on very well. He was actually a contributing factor to me getting onto the start of the Fleedom Bridge and doing those lower rundowns that cut the path to the A-SCN RD. He was smart with it too -- he didn't just rave on about crazy cult stuff. He mainly just got me to ask questions.

Something was still bugging me so I checked with my c/s. When I got the r-factor back (from me), I was very happy. There was another step and possibly the final step on the Bridge to Total Fleedom. This step I was told, would set me up perfectly for my future. It was actually a ground-breaking discovery and I was honoured to be one of the first ones out of me to do the rundown. What was it?

The KR RD!!! (Know Ron Rundown)

Strangely enough I had touched on this way back when I was trying to find biographical data on Ron and didn't even realise that it was a step on the flee-dom bridge. In a way I was happy that I didn't continue with it back then; without being DOE, DIS, DIM, DUM or DABBL who knows what would have happened, right? Probably would have fried my head off.

So I regged myself and found that as a founding member of me I qualified for a huge discount. It worked out costing me about... NOTHING!!! So I could get started straight away. This I have found is the major rundown and what I found on the internet about Ron has basically made me totally certain that I will flee.

Now you may think that I immediately concluded that Ron was a maniac and that means everything he ever said or wrote was absolute garbage. Not necessarily. Though I no longer viewed him as I had before.

I did not suddenly hate him or think that he was a monster or that sort of thing; it was far more subtle than that. I simply realised while doing this step that as a $cn'ist, I actually believed in Ron first. You see the tech all comes from him. And then I realised that $cn IS RON. In order to truly doubt the church you have to truly doubt its founder. Until you can question the founder -- and break the link between him and the church --that very last mechanism will stay in place and keep you seeing things through only $cn eyes. 'What would Ron do?' and that sort of thing.

I know there will be different viewpoints on this and I believe there must be. But for me, the instant that I considered that Ron was source was the exact same instant that I became a $cn. That's the instant I stopped looking at anything else. And the early indoctrination in the church is doing everything it can to nurture that belief. That is the making (or breaking) of a $cientologist. And all that happened on this rundown was I simply changed Ron from "source" to "a possible source".

My admiration of a person is based more on his achievements than on his irregularities. It doesn't matter that a rock-star has a different sexual orientation to me if he produces great music. The fact that Sherlock Holmes was an opium addict does not dull my admiration of his powers of deduction. Ron still did what he did, and as a friend recently pointed out: he was still primarily responsible for putting all these people together. Not a small thing. But like any person, he was flawed and the biggest insult from the c0$ is that they expect you to believe that he was not.

Now this an ongoing rundown. Unlike many here, I did not get to OT. I did not do up-lines management training. So I did not have experience of the entire green vols or the larger part of the bridge. But I can still work with what I do know. And it just means that I will know to test things for myself and to continue learning what I want to learn.

This could easily be the final step on the flee-dom bridge. And I think it becomes a personal thing from here. I reckon if you got to this point, then the only rundowns you would do after this would truly be your own rundowns. And because everyone here has such different histories, qualifications, case levels etc it wouldn't be necessary to describe the rundown that I am currently on (apart from: "it's great!").

I can sort of say it with a couple of lines out of a movie. These are two kids talking on a hill.

Chuckie: "I know what I want."

Fresh: "Yeah I know what you mean--I have this dream."

Chuckie: "Like what?"

Fresh: "Oh, nothing. I just have it that's all."

And that's how I feel -- my dreams and hopes and passions are my own, without needing to align with any other doctrine or discipline or person unless I want them to.

And so the KR RD is the final step on The Bridge to Total Flee-dom:

LEVEL--- COST--- ABILITY GAINED

KR RD--- (free)--- knows who is, was, and always shall be SOURCE (hint: do you have a mirror?)


I would like to truly thank everyone here and for all the support I've gotten from the people on this site, and especially to those who have made this site possible. It's been a blast sharing this -- writing a KR to the org just doesn't quite cut it.

I would still like to continue the story started here but probably on another thread to give $cns doubting the church some much needed help, support and perspective for their own hard journey to come.

Last thing -- if you haven't read Carmel's story and Feral's story, read them now. They'll knock you for six. There are other stories that I'm finding now here and it is all confirming what I now know to be true.

If I had any advice to give to a $cientologist who is not happy and is looking on this site, it would be: First, keep looking -- if we are all SPs and you know that, you should be sweet. Second, ask yourself: Of everything you know of $cn -- if all that were true of some OTHER group -- would you feel the same way about THAT group as you feel about $cn?

Thanks again everybody!
Cheesburgers all round
HAB

"LOOK! And ye shall know"
 
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JustanotherEX

Patron with Honors
KR RD--- (free)--- knows who is, was, and always shall be SOURCE (hint: do you have a mirror?)


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I don't normally comment in this section. It isn't that the stories dont touch me... So many are just too horrifyingly heartrending for words to suffice.

But what you say here is one of the finest victories I have ever seen! I wish everyone had it!

Great story and congratulations on the rundown!
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi HAB,

Thank you so much for sharing your delightfully humorous but also very serious posts.

Good work HAB. Damn fine stuff!
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for writing your delightful story of Fleedom, HAB.

It brought back all the :duh:s, :angry:s, :omg:s, :bigcry:s and :grouch:s back to view of my own personal journey "out" - but had me pissing myself laughing at it all.

:hattip: to you. :)
 
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