After all this time lurking and posting on ESMB and OCMB ... after years of posting on various political message boards ... after attending anon picket events ... I have finally been flamed by a live Scilon online.
Back in 2007 I started the Ron Paul meetup group here in St. Louis, number 35of what eventually became well over 1200, and honcho'ed/spoke at the first two meetings. I was well received at the first one, by the second meeting I could tell that my best course of action was to turn the meetup group over. Why? By my nature, if I am going to run something, I run it. I am not a concensus builder. Trying to get anything done in this group would, to me, be akin to herding cats.
Sometime after the nomination process was over I decided to rejoin the group as a member, it became an informal forum for the local Campaign for Liberty and a sounding board for some of my ideas. Anyways ... one of the people on the forum happens to be a Scilon who is pushing the CCHR industry of death exhibit here in the greater St. Louis area. So I posted a warning about CCHR being a Cof$ front group, and how, regardless of any agenda that psychiatry may have, Cof$ has one as well. I was flamed back. I responded off the forum, but, here is the flame:
Peter,
Just because you were "involved" with the Church of Scientology for a relatively short time some 30 years ago, and hang out on the net with other misfits and malcontents on this subject, does not make you an expert on Scientology.
I haven't spoken much about this, because I'm not in this group for the purpose of proselytizing, but since you've brought it up, I will say that I have been a Scientologist for 40 years and am proud of the fact. I have worked at all levels and activities of the Church, and have first hand knowledge of the Church inside and out. I am also familiar with the website you are referring people to, and can only say that this is a gross distortion of the facts. And I think, with my experience, I am arguably more knowledgeable on the subject than you are. But nobody has to take my word for it. Anyone who wants to know the truth about Scientology should visit the website www.scientology.org or read a book by L. Ron Hubbard or visit a Scientology church and see for themselves.
Your calling CCHR a Church of Scientology "front group" makes it sound like somebody's trying to hide something, but CCHR and the Church are both very open about the connection; in fact it's right there in the email Kelly forwarded. CCHR was co-founded in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus at the State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse. The Church of Scientology actively supports CCHR today in its programs to investigate and expose psychiatric brutality and fraud.
CCHR and the Church of Scientology both have many, many friends at all levels of the liberty movement. Scientology exists to give people who want it a route to spiritual freedom. CCHR addresses a very real threat to everyone's freedom. Psychiatry, in addition to being used as a tool to incite genocide, create terrorists, and suppress political dissent, is also a major player in turning the masses of ordinary people into sheeple.
I urge all lovers of liberty to come out and see the exhibit. It's an education! It will be a Jamestown Mall until the end of the month.
Carol
Anyways, notice the usual crap, "read a book" and "go to scientology.org" etc. This gal is a Ron Pauler, a lover of liberty, and totally blindsided regarding the totalitarian nature of her favorite cult. Phuggen amazing. Part of what I sent back was a salvo of 4 song parody torpedos. I do so hope she writes back.
Pete
Back in 2007 I started the Ron Paul meetup group here in St. Louis, number 35of what eventually became well over 1200, and honcho'ed/spoke at the first two meetings. I was well received at the first one, by the second meeting I could tell that my best course of action was to turn the meetup group over. Why? By my nature, if I am going to run something, I run it. I am not a concensus builder. Trying to get anything done in this group would, to me, be akin to herding cats.
Sometime after the nomination process was over I decided to rejoin the group as a member, it became an informal forum for the local Campaign for Liberty and a sounding board for some of my ideas. Anyways ... one of the people on the forum happens to be a Scilon who is pushing the CCHR industry of death exhibit here in the greater St. Louis area. So I posted a warning about CCHR being a Cof$ front group, and how, regardless of any agenda that psychiatry may have, Cof$ has one as well. I was flamed back. I responded off the forum, but, here is the flame:
Peter,
Just because you were "involved" with the Church of Scientology for a relatively short time some 30 years ago, and hang out on the net with other misfits and malcontents on this subject, does not make you an expert on Scientology.
I haven't spoken much about this, because I'm not in this group for the purpose of proselytizing, but since you've brought it up, I will say that I have been a Scientologist for 40 years and am proud of the fact. I have worked at all levels and activities of the Church, and have first hand knowledge of the Church inside and out. I am also familiar with the website you are referring people to, and can only say that this is a gross distortion of the facts. And I think, with my experience, I am arguably more knowledgeable on the subject than you are. But nobody has to take my word for it. Anyone who wants to know the truth about Scientology should visit the website www.scientology.org or read a book by L. Ron Hubbard or visit a Scientology church and see for themselves.
Your calling CCHR a Church of Scientology "front group" makes it sound like somebody's trying to hide something, but CCHR and the Church are both very open about the connection; in fact it's right there in the email Kelly forwarded. CCHR was co-founded in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus at the State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse. The Church of Scientology actively supports CCHR today in its programs to investigate and expose psychiatric brutality and fraud.
CCHR and the Church of Scientology both have many, many friends at all levels of the liberty movement. Scientology exists to give people who want it a route to spiritual freedom. CCHR addresses a very real threat to everyone's freedom. Psychiatry, in addition to being used as a tool to incite genocide, create terrorists, and suppress political dissent, is also a major player in turning the masses of ordinary people into sheeple.
I urge all lovers of liberty to come out and see the exhibit. It's an education! It will be a Jamestown Mall until the end of the month.
Carol
Anyways, notice the usual crap, "read a book" and "go to scientology.org" etc. This gal is a Ron Pauler, a lover of liberty, and totally blindsided regarding the totalitarian nature of her favorite cult. Phuggen amazing. Part of what I sent back was a salvo of 4 song parody torpedos. I do so hope she writes back.
Pete