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NBC interview: Marty Rathbun & cult harassment.. YT vids being taken down..

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Smurf, Mar 20, 2015.

  1. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist


    1. we need to define "crime" in regards to Marty (like persuing SPs when he was still "in").

    2. don't expect admissions from them that could invoke legal troubles (that's a silly expectation).
  2. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    I don't understand that either. :confused2:
  3. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    Let it go. You're entitled to your opinions just as much as anyone else here. :)
  4. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm glad you posted this Emma.
    I'm glad Pooks posted hers.
    Marty was never part of a a dirty cabal of dirty PIs doing criminal acts.
    For weeks, months, years of his life he was on legal assignments as the chief Legal officer and
    he worked with lawyers morning noon and night.
    For 2-3 years he worked on the IRS exemption, again he had nothing to do with shady dirty deeds.
    He has been ridiculously accused here and there on the web of doing stuff he knows nothing about, he wasn't there and he was not writing the programs that the Intelligence Division create and conspire to destroy.
    However, he did not stop it, and that is some of his biggest regrets.
    The very covert, very criminal acts are done with great stealth and even others within the Intelligence division do not know.
    "The left hand knoweth not what the right hand is doing" concept.
    Charlie Earle of OSA INT Intelligence, runs the PIS.
    The PIS are hired by the lawyers so as to give a cutaway from direct SO involvement.
    The PIS hire really dirty PIs who will push the envelope.
    The PIs report to Charlie Earle.
    Charlie Earle writes his Daily report for Linda Hamel, CO OSA INT.
    The envelope is sealed and goes directly to David Miscavige.
    At most one or 2 more Sea Org members are ccd.
    The envelope and write up is destroyed on reading it.
    That has been the procedure for years.
    I am going to define *Dirty* stuff.
    By that I mean killing pets, drowning Judge's dogs, sending anonymous DILDOS in the mail to a workplace, leaving rattlesnakes and dead rats in mail boxes and setting up Mayors with pretty girls, getting them drunk and then creating fake hit and runs for blackmail.
    These days there is so much risk of Internet exposure.
    If anyone reading this wants to do something meaningful, file an IRS complaint here. It's easy.
  5. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Like you, I think that M&M pretty much admitted all the big stuff, as you say and I don't think they're hiding any crimes.

    But I'd like to know more details of the IRS deal and closed meetings, more about Lisa McPherson, more about discussions with DM of court cases (if there is any more to tell - there may not be) and just more details in general. Whatever they can remember.

    I don't personally think Marty should put himself and his family at risk if telling those things publicly would do so. I don't feel a need to personally know any of it until and if it is made public - when and if it helps cases against the C of S and if Marty & Mike and their families are safe.

    I don't know if Veda or any of the others who are still curious feel the same way. I've remembered lots of details later, but not everyone has, and some things I've barely remembered, if at all. Maybe that's all there is, IDK. I hope there's more, though, because there's so much detail missing.
  6. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you.

    They say the first thing to go is the ...what was it, again?
  7. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron



  8. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    Robin Scott.
  9. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you Karen! There was some real meat in that post.

    I think a lot of things have been assumed about Marty, only because it was fairly safe to assume due to the position he was in. He was head of the department that Hubs intended to destroy perceived enemies. If the Hub policies were applied standardly, that means those enemies were tricked, sued, lied to, destroyed utterly if possible, evidence manufactured against them (framed) if needed, or anything that was thought to be "greatest good" by those carrying out the dirty deeds. And maybe the "dirty deed" was just paying a sleazy black bag guy to do something horrible to the enemy and cover it up.

    A lot of what happened 10 or 20 or 30 years ago will not have any "evidence" to prove one way or another. All we have is witnesses and their statements. And the question of credibility comes into play.

    I agree with Sheila also, Marty's actions behind the scenes with law enforcement agencies are not necessarily going to be advertised, for obvious reasons.
  10. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I agree. Taking on CO$ legally is not a holiday excursion.

    And he has a wife telling him to not dare settling.

    When I met him in London he said because of the attention
    given to him the rest of the FZ will get less. OK seems he's not
    an FZer now.

    If I were in a trench physically or metaphorically Marty is
    someone I'd want next to me.
  11. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    I'm calling in from my vacation in the "Bahamas" to tie up a few loose ends. First of all I found your "attempts at peacemaking" to be lacking. What you could've done is admitted that telling Marty on this forum, a forum in which he does not read, to "suck it Motherfucker" was out of line. You didn't need to retract your opinion of him. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And no, you are not alone with that opinion here. Far from it.

    [STRIKE]Then you falsely accused Marty of being guilty of murder. "Skating on a murder charge" is how I think you phrased it. That's total bullshit. In my opinion it is either libel or slander. That's a pretty fucking serious charge to make about another person. You need to either show evidence that he's a murderer or STFU.[/STRIKE]

    EDIT: I just struck the above because I can't now find the post in which I remembered seeing the accusation. You probably deleted it, which is good. But, I will also say that it's possible that I mis-remembered. The fact that you accused him of multiple felonies is still there to see though. It's okay to speculate that he may have been complicit. But to state with certainty is just not cool. You did state with certainty by saying he should be sitting in jail right now. Sorry, I didn't know you were the Judge, Prosecutor, and Jury.

    DB I've always made up with you because I always come to see that I was out of line with you. We had disagreements, but you never actually slandered, or falsely accused anyone like our relative newbie has done. I just got mad at you for being wrong sometimes. LOL... I kid the DB.

    So no apology from me to SPsince83 will be forthcoming. No way. If anything he owes an apology, not to me personally, but in general for his slander and unnecessary personal attack on someone that he in essence has no real basis to make.

    If you remember I confronted Caroline last week for also falsely accusing Marty, and Mike Rinder, of running a Black PR op in present time.

    Leland is someone who still occasionally expresses disdain for Marty and I don't confront him about it. That's because Leland expresses his opinion without the use of slander or making false accusations. He doesn't even personally attack him with name calling. Not that I recall anyway. But he's very clear that he hasn't forgiven Marty yet. I don't agree with him, but I respect his right to feel that way. Same goes for anyone else.

    Back to you SPsince83: If you ever come out in the open with your real name and location as Marty has done, then maybe you would have some credibility in making your accusations and suggesting that he "hasn't done enough". You subject yourself to years long OSA attacks and surveillance and disruption of your personal life and family. You put yourself out there and paint a target on your back. Pounding away on a keyboard is not brave. It is not noble. It is not admirable. It's just a message board.

    Do I put myself out there in real life? No. But I also don't throw rocks at the real warriors when I myself live in a glass house.
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2015
  12. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Am I crazy to want to know?

    DM, Pat Broeker, and possibly other insiders on the Int Exec team promulgated a decades-long coverup by lying about: 1.) LRH's final years, 2.) his health, 3.) his personal non-attainment of Operating Thetan, 4.) of "dropping the body," and of course, 5.) the missing upper OT levels . . . from 1986 going forward. (Just to mention a few things.)

    They had a chance to come clean about LRH's final mental and physical state (which matters!) in 1986 and clear the air. They chose not to. Indefensible!

    Marty left in the mid-2000's and distanced himself from the conspiracy, IMO.

    I guess the question that would need to be nailed down is: "What did you know and when did you know it?"

    I'll give him the benefit of the doubt:
    maybe Marty found out all about the conspiracy after he left and read about it on the Internet. Perhaps. That's what Mike claims about his own personal knowledge.

    I asked Marty once directly on his blog about who exactly where the conspirators who had personal knowledge and hid pertinent facts about LRH's final years and he would not answer up. His silence is telling . . . to me.

    I'm curious . . . as the LRH death/upper OT levels "shore stories" have cost people billions in money and many shattered lives and dreams over several decades.

    The cabal's silence and made-up shore stories cost me a family and a small fortune. I have skin in the game.

    We need to invite Marty over to the ex-board and have him answer some questions, clear the air about some things.
    Otherwise, the Marty controversies will follow him until his dying days. Oh, they probably will anyways. :shrug:

    But at least I have an excuse to do another funny shoop blending two topics that amuse me: Watergate and Marty. :yes:

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  13. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    He lost some of the more fundamentalist Indies. These are AFAIK
    somewhat of a minority in Indie/FZ land. He has though still a large following who read his blog and a probably smaller one who comment there.

    Not sure what time you are referring to exactly but Marty was
    happy to meet anyone in London and met myself and Ax 142.
    We got on pretty friendly terms and furthered his education in
    British ale. But we were potentially antagonists, me a squirrel
    Ax a critic. This was the time he made the repeat Panorama
    program which aired in 2007.
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2015
  14. Elronius of Marcabia

    Elronius of Marcabia Silver Meritorious Patron

    A video of Marty Rathbun is posted and then people give their takes on it :confused2:
    just sounds like another day on a message board.

    Marty wants the spotlight for whatever reason who knows, we can all speculate
    from sinister to altruistic.

    Marty Rathbun does'nt post here and has given his reason awhile back
    something about ESMB being some sort of entertainment, perhaps someone remembers
    the thread, as I recall it was'nt very flattering to ESMB.

    Fame is double edged sword, Martys celebrity status as a former high ranking head of D.M.enology
    is what gives him his celebrity status same thing for Mike Rinder.

    As high ranking whistle blowers on the scam of $cientology we all have our opinions
    as to how effective they've been so far......................

    to be continued :drama::drama::drama:
  15. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    I'm a never-in, so I have no way of knowing what Marty did or didn't do or know, nor what he should or shouldn't have known or done.

    But, I've been the "head-honcho" of 5 assembly lines in a factory and you wouldn't believe how much crap I've had to deal with just because someone higher-up had just bypassed me, or some of my underlings had had a shitty idea they thought was great to implement without notifying me.

    Yes, of course I should have known about every single little detail that was going on in one of "my" assembly lines, but fact is: I didn't and I couldn't.

    So, a question to all the Marty-critics: What is it that Marty provably knew about but still doesn't say?
  16. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    now , there is a switch - to talk/write about people who are not on this board....... lol ...:biggrin:
    just few weeks ago it was , not just normal,it was fashion to write against some people tht are not on this board!?!?:coolwink:
    So , long story-short : person against - person doing it....or opposite.:duh:

    now , I will drink LS beer!
  17. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sanctimony does not wear well on ex-Scientologists any better than it does with those still living in the bubble.
  18. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    You really need to give specifics with such charges. Your
    accusations won't qualify as anything to do with "natural
    justice" otherwise.

    AFAIK there are not even any accusations that Marty was
    involved with Murder. Even supposing CO$ was involved in
    such matters I can't see them involving their Inspector General.

    Kidnapping probably dosn't fly. He persuaded Annie Broeker
    to return. Extortion: Not sure whether his actions with regard to
    Minton would count. If someone else remembers this better than
    I maybe they can speak up if they don't try to start the
    Minton Wars again. You know how that annoys She Who Must
    Be Obeyed.

    Blackmail: This could have happened re IRS. No evidence has
    ever been given. However I believe its past the statute of
    limitation now and this may be one of his weapons in Monique's
    lawsuits. Would probably implicate DM. This could give a result
    everyone wants here, loss of Tax exemption. Marty has been
    good at holding his cards close to his chest.
  19. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I'm inclined to think that's what he's saving his powder for.

    AFAIK he spent most of his time overseeing legal cases.
    Many years re IRS, the legislation re Mayo went on for a decade
    Thats only 2 of them.

    You should list out the things he actually did.
  20. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Again...........He likely committed crimes......

    Dis you say you worked with legal matters?