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Never to Be Posted As An Executive Again

Discussion in 'Staff "War Stories"' started by JustSheila, Nov 11, 2015.

  1. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks, IL2K. :yes:

    You never cease to amaze me!:clap:

    I recall him as an impeccably mannered, thoroughly enjoyable and handsome man. :thumbsup:

    Glad to see that he is a little "fuller of face and girth" after 35+ years--like yours truly. However, I'm a bit perturbed that he still has all that thick, perfect hair and and it's not all grey. :grouch:

  2. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I was once told that Diana Hubbard had a 'Never to Be Posted as an Exec Again' issue by Hubbard after she was busted from her post as CS-6.

    Can anyone confirm?
  3. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    I never saw that. :no: However, it's quite possible. :yes:

    IIRC, El Ron once "Confidentially" ordered Sibirsky, Light and Gleason off "Finance Lines Forever" after the "Postulate Check/Crush Sale" stuff blew up the Field in the early '70's. That lasted a month or so and then Hisself sent them to Boston to "redeem themselves" by "Booming" Boston Org...Which they did...All was "forgiven" and the rest is history. :eyeroll:

    El Ron had a penchant for issuing a broad, sweeping statement about someone and/or something which Hisself later, quietly/carefully did not adhere to, made a counter order to and then--if something "bad" happened--go into a tirade about how Hisself had been "right", been "Cross-ordered" and target someone for going against an "El Ron Order" and--if things turned out "good"--how right, brilliant and "obvious" Hisself's benevolence, decision and insight was. :coolwink:

  4. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    Face, Bill Robertson, in his writings, somewhere says that he personally declared Belkacem an SP and kicked him out "forever" because Bel had tried to extort money from a preclear. Basically blackmailing the preclear.

    Is there anything in this?
  5. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Belkacem was punched after Hubbard found out that Belkacem had sexual intercourse with Diana when she was 16 years old (minor).
  6. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron


    The Declare on Farradj said that, along with other scurrilous stuff I don't recall. But, I distinctly recall it included what pkatz Posted. Maybe WBR personally wrote the Declare...I don't know. However, I do recall the Declare coming from CommodeDoor and I recall WBR personally telling me several years later how he'd gotten Ferradj declared.

    WBR, whom I knew pretty well--had some considerable interaction with, did Flag Missions with and served under as a direct subordinate Exec--was most prone to hyperbole, transient delusion and prevarication.

    Did you ever meet or interact with Ferradj?

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  7. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Whoa! Hadn't heard that before! :omg:

    EDIT PS. IIRC, I heard that there was some sort of "Romantic Attraction" or "Interlude" but not that they'd had sex...That woulda certainly gotten your ass fried "FOREVER"!:ohmy:
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  8. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    but prior to the above, wasn't he touted as a scientology poster boy? He had his name on some HCOBs - Didn't he do some hero thing when they were in port, and they took him on and sailed with him on board, off into the sunset? That he was a good auditor and trained way up? If someone knows the story, I'd love to read it. Mimsey
  9. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    No I didn't, but I was very familiar with the name. The first thing I did in Scio was the old HSDC which came out in 1969 and Ferradj wrote many of the HCOBs on that course. As a young and keen auditor I looked forward to meeting him when I went to Flag for the FEBC in 1971 only to find he was long gone. No one would say why.

    Bill was certainly an odd fish though I got great gains from his Excalibur rundown. I still today think it is a far better approach to unburdening that area than either OT3 or NOTs is. The rest of Bill's bridge I just can't get to grips with. Makes no sense; doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of Scio.

  10. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I was just going to post that. I've heard that too; also pretty sure I read it somewhere years ago.
  11. enturbulator

    enturbulator Patron

    This really escalated during Ron's final years. I was Mimeo Officer in the early eighties and I would read everything. For every red or green document that came down the lines there would a dozen or more Flag orders condemning high ranking execs. I did wonder how the super cognitive OTs could take years or even decades to detect these SPs right there amongst them.
  12. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    For those who don't get what "Door nailed shut" referred to, in the Ethics policies, LRH said to "always leave the door open, even if just a crack". This meant "always leave open the possibility he will be allowed back". This policy helped keep people in line after expulsion, as many would want the chance of returning.

    "Door nailed shut" meant "He will NEVER, EVER be allowed back"
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thank you, Karen. How cruel. She was an innocent child - sex education was certainly never a course in the Sea Org! Thank goodness she is out. :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Thanks, Lulu Belle.

    What was odd about it, besides L Ron issuing something like this on his own daughter, is after that, she was posted as the Int Exec for Div 6 in the Int Strata. This was while Bill Franks was ED Int.

    She didn't last long and was removed from post long before Bill Franks. Then I believe we went through two more Int Execs for Div 6 before Bill Franks was removed.

    ONLY L Ron Hubbard could have changed his own order regarding Diana. Since this was in Bill Franks' time, it was well after the culling of files at Pubs to remove references to Hubbard. Hubbard was still very much on the lines. I hope Bill Franks makes another video detailing some of Hubbard's direct management of COS while he was posted as ED INT.
  14. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thank you, enturbulator.

    Please try to remember any specifics you can that were confidential issues naming, barring and otherwise humiliating or condemning individuals that were issued by L Ron Hubbard. Many times (most?) the persons named were completely unaware this was done.
  15. pkatz

    pkatz Patron with Honors

    You're welcome.

    There's sort of a pps to this one: I was manning the quarterdeck (reception desk, actually) at the main Sea Org office in LA, called the FOLO, at around that time.

    The phone rang and the calling party, who spoke in a vaguely British accent, asked for the MAA, Margaret George.

    "Who's calling, please?"


    (I knew nothing about any Flag Conditions Order. I recognized his name: this was a SO Officer! From the Apollo! He worked under the Commodore!)

    "Yessir! Hold on just a minute, Sir!" (I was new.) I hurried off to get her.

    But, of course, just as Maggie was saying "Hello.." the big pocket doors to her office snapped shut.
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2015
  16. pkatz

    pkatz Patron with Honors

    The Ferradj Legend: he was a minor functionary in Morrocco when the Apollo visited. He was so taken with the Commodore and Scn that he either...

    Begged to be taken with them when the ship sailed, or

    He stowed away (which is a serious maritime infraction).

    Either way, he was allowed to stay aboard.

    The Reality...?
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2015
  17. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    The " Barred from ..... " are very real as were the " Never to be allowed ... "

    But, things changed ever so quickly from this to that & back.
  18. GE cmdr

    GE cmdr Patron with Honors


    Is Vicki still in? I remember she was the CO CLOWUS
  19. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased


    Since face is here with others I'm asking this question and apologize for the derail...

    I once read a personal story of life on the ship with Hubbard in charge and the story teller stated that their private mail was opened and gone through, which is still practiced even at the Class V org-level to this day so that's not unusual as stories go...but...the story teller then stated that personal items of value were confiscated and never given to the intended recipient as it was the Commodore's property aboard ship.

    Does anyone know of this tale? Does anyone know if it's true as a practice?
  20. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

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