New book about Scientology: Ron the War Hero

Ok.

Mimsey

L_Ron_Hubbard_with_Dianetics_book.jpg
 

Little David

Gold Meritorious Patron
Mimsey, the photos in your post were taken during Hubbard's radio expedition for the Explorer's Club. It was in the 1940s, prior to the advent of Dianetics. This is documented in multiple books on Hubbard's life.

Look at the man's physique in those shots. He's lean and slim. LRH never looked like that during the Dianetics days. He was already becoming portly and pockmarked by that time, and had begun combing his receding hair backwards.

Read the book, Messiah Or Madman. Hubbard's abortive adventure to Alaska is thoroughly documented there, with pics. The same ones you've posted.

L_Ron_and_Sara_Hubbard_June_1946.jpg

Hubbard and Northrup aboard the schooner Blue Water II in Miami, Florida, June 1946. The Church of Scientology has republished this photograph with Northrup airbrushed out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Northrup_Hollister
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
A face built upon the sneering derision of others, a hairless rat face if there ever was one. Scientology became an extension of his sneering derision of others no matter it's masquerade of "saving mankind" which was no more than a cover for what impoverished ill he would bring to the lives of multitudes of followers.
 
Last edited:
Mimsey, the photos in your post were taken during Hubbard's radio expedition for the Explorer's Club. It was in the 1940s, prior to the advent of Dianetics. This is documented in multiple books on Hubbard's life.

Look at the man's physique in those shots. He's lean and slim. LRH never looked like that during the Dianetics days. He was already becoming portly and pockmarked by that time, and had begun combing his receding hair backwards.

Read the book, Messiah Or Madman. Hubbard's abortive adventure to Alaska is thoroughly documented there, with pics. The same ones you've posted.
The pock marks can easily be removed via retouching - which was a common practice ages before the invention of photo shop. Your comments about his hair line fit Hubbard from the late fifties, sixties unquestionably. But not the early fifties.

But, whatever.

Mimsey

This is a fascinating article about the subject:

History of Retouching: Photographers and Retouchers Synergy in the Analog Photography Era
Posted by Siyana Yanarova arts history, composite, history of retouching 1 comment
It is a widely spread misconception that retouching as an art was born with the invention of Photoshop. Yes, digital retouching is relatively new, but analog post-processing was created hand in hand with photography in the beginning of 19th century.
There were a number of techniques that were used in the darkroom back in the day – dodging and burning, scratching the negatives, vibrating while exposing, blurring, airbrushing, painting the negatives, coloring; Photo-montage, or combination printing, was used to manipulate records of historical events or to create painting-like imagery. What’s more interesting, post-processing wasn’t only used in fashion and beauty, it was also a means of manipulating political photographs."

"Portrait of James Dean by Dennis Stock, 1955
Another famous photograph that has been well manipulated in the dark room is Dennis Stock‘s portrait of James Dean in the streets of New York. It was a common practice for photographers to give detailed instructions to their retouchers, outlining which areas to be lightened and which to be darkened."


dennis-stock-james-dean-times-square-retouch.jpg

More at link:

https://retouchingacademy.com/histo...uchers-synergy-in-the-analog-photography-era/
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
My reason for suggesting it had medical info (blood group etc) on it was I visited my sister in Canada in 1980 and I was wearing my clear bracelet at the time and that was what she thought it was, so I was sort of assuming Americans and Canadians have such things around their wrists.
My dentist, years ago, also thought my clear bracelet was a MedicAlert bracelet.
 
Exactly what I said. Look at him. Already a pockmarked porker with a receding hairline in 1950.
I have been thinking about this comment that you made. The pose they chose with him leaning over the Dianetics book was not flattering, I think it does make him look overweight.

I don't think he started putting on weight until he was finally pulling down good money with DMSMH. He was broke up to that point. You've read the books, you know that.

Look at his financial situation. In Chris's book we find Hubbard trying to get the vet organization to increase his dole. He lost his stable officer's income, and was struggling to re-establish a writing career. Getting paid by the word. Living in cheap digs.

There's no way he could have afforded the services of a professional photographer prior to the release of Dianetics. Nor was there any reason. The release of Dianetics was beyond the horizon. When the Dianetic foundation was up and running, he had the funds - and further he had a major PR problem. He had kidnapped Kate then absconded to Cuba. The press was vilifying him. He needed a PR program to counter that. Thus the need to do a photo shoot to regain his street cred.

Hence the hiring of the professional photographer, the staged shots glorifying these aspects of his life. It was a well executed PR plan. It was so well done it has stood the test of time, and those images remain the definition of his life.

That aside - calling him a pockmarked porker, is a cheap shot. It doesn't help your argument. It reduces it to petty name calling. More than that, it illuminates a fundamental problem with Chris's book.

Chris has bent over backwards to write his book in a very even handed manner - if Hubbard does something well, he says so. He doesn't down play it. Likewise, he doesn't exaggerate Hubbard's errors in judgement. This theme of a sense of fair play is on every page.

Yet the caricature of Hubbard on the cover is in complete opposition of the whole tack of the book, to use a nautical term that seems to fit. It embodies everything your porker comment does, and I can only believe, or hope to beieve, was the publisher's decision and not the authors.

Too bad.

Mimsey

41Dne8TnOPL._SR600%2C315_PIWhiteStrip%2CBottomLeft%2C0%2C35_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
 
Last edited:

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
Ron's military career can be described as undistinguished but scarcely calamitous. He was reassigned to The States from Australia on the basis of a personality clash with seniors, who unlike Hubbard remained undistinguished after the war. Big whoop.

The shots on the Mexican island are perhaps a more interesting story; one that smacks of "diplomacy by other means" for those who know something of how diplomacy is conducted. By the usual protocols it would be entirely correct for the Mexican government to insist upon a Court Martial but instead Ron receives a reprimand. As many may know two hundred and twenty five square miles of California outside of San Diego are reserved by The United States Marine Corps as Camp Pendleton which was then sending troop ships full of Leathernecks into the Pacific Theatre. Lovely target for Jap subs wot? And San Diego is on the Mexican border. The American Naval Commander is bound by International Law and thus forbidden to instruct his assigns to defend w/o regard to Mexican territorial waters. However, if a corvette "erroneously" fires on Mexican territory and the Mexican government is satisfied with a reprimand then you have a precedent every bit as eloquent as direct instruction.
 

Karakorum

supressively reasonable
Ron's military career can be described as undistinguished but scarcely calamitous. He was reassigned to The States from Australia on the basis of a personality clash with seniors, who unlike Hubbard remained undistinguished after the war. Big whoop.
Yeah that's not much. The attack on the "magnetic deposit" was a comical event, but the war was full of such comical events. Read about the "bombardement of Kiska" for an example on a much larger scale.

The shots on the Mexican island are perhaps a more interesting story; one that smacks of "diplomacy by other means" for those who know something of how diplomacy is conducted. By the usual protocols it would be entirely correct for the Mexican government to insist upon a Court Martial but instead Ron receives a reprimand. As many may know two hundred and twenty five square miles of California outside of San Diego are reserved by The United States Marine Corps as Camp Pendleton which was then sending troop ships full of Leathernecks into the Pacific Theatre. Lovely target for Jap subs wot? And San Diego is on the Mexican border. The American Naval Commander is bound by International Law and thus forbidden to instruct his assigns to defend w/o regard to Mexican territorial waters. However, if a corvette "erroneously" fires on Mexican territory and the Mexican government is satisfied with a reprimand then you have a precedent every bit as eloquent as direct instruction.
I strongly disagree. The only reason why the Mexican government did not react more sternly is very simple: By this time, Mexico was an allied power. They did not want to cause issues at this time with the US, over an incident when nobody was hurt.

But the fact is: Hubbard disobeyed orders by conducting the bombardement in the first place, with no good reason to do so. That should disqualify him from holding independent command.
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
The pock marks can easily be removed via retouching - which was a common practice ages before the invention of photo shop. Your comments about his hair line fit Hubbard from the late fifties, sixties unquestionably. But not the early fifties.

But, whatever.

Mimsey

This is a fascinating article about the subject:

History of Retouching: Photographers and Retouchers Synergy in the Analog Photography Era
Posted by Siyana Yanarova arts history, composite, history of retouching 1 comment
It is a widely spread misconception that retouching as an art was born with the invention of Photoshop. Yes, digital retouching is relatively new, but analog post-processing was created hand in hand with photography in the beginning of 19th century.
There were a number of techniques that were used in the darkroom back in the day – dodging and burning, scratching the negatives, vibrating while exposing, blurring, airbrushing, painting the negatives, coloring; Photo-montage, or combination printing, was used to manipulate records of historical events or to create painting-like imagery. What’s more interesting, post-processing wasn’t only used in fashion and beauty, it was also a means of manipulating political photographs."

"Portrait of James Dean by Dennis Stock, 1955
Another famous photograph that has been well manipulated in the dark room is Dennis Stock‘s portrait of James Dean in the streets of New York. It was a common practice for photographers to give detailed instructions to their retouchers, outlining which areas to be lightened and which to be darkened."


dennis-stock-james-dean-times-square-retouch.jpg

More at link:

https://retouchingacademy.com/histo...uchers-synergy-in-the-analog-photography-era/
Retouching? Good grief, Mimsey, believe what you want, but the provenance of these Hubbard photos is not in question. They've been documented, and are on the internet, and in lots of books about the man's life.

You really don't have to take my word for it.
 

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi Karakorum!

Like your maple leaf but Toronto is watching The Stanley Finals at home.

Was Mexico an allied power? I thought they were neutral.

Regardless, Hubbard received but a reprimand and continued command of corvettes.
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
Hubbard received but a reprimand and continued command of corvettes.
I'm pretty sure I read in Madman or Messiah that the Mexican fiasco resulted in Hubbard being stripped of command for the duration of the war.
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
Anyone got hard data?
Just found this on Wikipedia:

"Most of his military service was spent ashore in the continental United States on administrative or training duties. He briefly commanded two anti-submarine vessels, the USS YP-422 and USS PC-815, in coastal waters off Massachusetts, Oregon and California in 1942 and 1943 respectively. He was removed from command of both vessels and rated by his superiors as being unsuitable for independent duties and "lacking in the essential qualities of judgment, leadership and cooperation". Although Hubbard asserted that he had attacked and crippled or sunk two Japanese submarines off Oregon while in command of the USS PC-815, his claim was rejected by the commander of the Northwest Sea Frontier after a subsequent investigation."
 
Retouching? Good grief, Mimsey, believe what you want, but the provenance of these Hubbard photos is not in question. They've been documented, and are on the internet, and in lots of books about the man's life.

You really don't have to take my word for it.
Man o man - the only people who didn't retouch photos were amateur photographers - pros did it constantly. They could manipulate the hell out of pictures. And they did. Did you not read the link in my post about retouching? The reasons range from getting rid of a zit to a complete artistic makeover.

I don't really care if you do or don't believe those pictures were retouched or manipulated in the darkroom or not. Anybody with a trained eye can see it. If you can't or won't, that's your prerogative.

If you can't see the difference between a staged shot by a professional photographer and one that was not, I can't help you. If you persist in believing the shots I have posted were not done in a photo shoot, that's fine with me. Believe what you want. It's a free country.

I'll tell you what - print out this photo and take it to a professional photographer in your city and ask him / her if it was a staged shot or not. Ask him / her about how it was lit, ask for his / her critique of the shot.

Best, Mimsey

You can find this photo at Scientology's web site BTW: http://www.lronhubbard.ca/ron-series/profile/chronology.html#part14
profile_chronology_38_l-ron-hubbard.jpg


Here's 2 actual shots of the Magician. You might compare them to the above. No ascot, period correct sunglasses, the clothes, Hubbard himself. Hubbard was a great saver, so it is entirely likely the cap was the original. The name plate was a prop made by a local carpenter, and set in place during the shoot - see how the wood and it's coloring don't match the hull of the ship?

HubbardMagician.jpg


profile_chronology_34_l-ron-hubbard-alaskan-radio-experimental-expedition.jpg
 
Last edited:
Not sure.

Anyone got hard data?
Buy Chris's book and read it - it's an easy read, with a full bibliography, quotes from documents, people who knew Hubbard during those days, military records he got via the FOI, and the release of Hubbard's Navy records that became public when he split of target 2. Chris put a lot of work into vetting and writing the book - validate his efforts by forking over some cash.

Mimsey
 

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
Just found this on Wikipedia:

"Most of his military service was spent ashore in the continental United States on administrative or training duties. He briefly commanded two anti-submarine vessels, the USS YP-422 and USS PC-815, in coastal waters off Massachusetts, Oregon and California in 1942 and 1943 respectively. He was removed from command of both vessels and rated by his superiors as being unsuitable for independent duties and "lacking in the essential qualities of judgment, leadership and cooperation". Although Hubbard asserted that he had attacked and crippled or sunk two Japanese submarines off Oregon while in command of the USS PC-815, his claim was rejected by the commander of the Northwest Sea Frontier after a subsequent investigation."

Also, after the war when CoS again challenged the Navy it was revealed that captured Japanese Naval records showed that no Jap subs were operating in the area at that time.

Not that this ended CoS contentions. In 1988 I was driving cab in Seattle and one of my fares was a deep sea diver who had recently been hired to find the sunken subs.

He didn't.

But you probably could have figured that out on your own.

I suppose fifty years from now CoS will find a sunken Jap sub somewhere and transport it to the area of the magnetic anomaly Ron's corvette engaged.
 
Top