New Letter to Fields from Rathbun - Folks It's Even Worse!!

[HelluvaHoax!]

The 'Codes' are weasel-words. I invite anyone to examine them and find an actual mandate or verbot. It's all about 'Don't do this, unless you really want to'.

Zinj

Zinj. I have personally spoken to Tommy Davis and he says to tell you that you are super-psychotic!! He repeated the word a lot of times, so he is pretty upset about your degrading the word CODES! He said to remind you that it is people like YOU that are responsible for the 6 million murdered in Nazi Concentration Camps!

He correctly points out that if only German Soldiers had Ron's study tech and had even applied Code Point #1 of Keeping Nazis Working (below) "...none of those needless public relations flaps for Hitler would have ever happened!"

Reference: Lord Russell of Liverpool, C.B.E., M.S. The Scourge of the Swastika: A Short History of Nazi War Crimes, (New York: Ballantine Books, 1957), pp. 239-240

The German Soldier's Code

1. While fighting for victory the German soldier will observe the rules of chivalrous warfare. Cruelties and senseless destruction are below his standard.

2. Combatants will be in uniform or will wear specially introduced and clearly distinguishable badges. Fighting in plain clothes or without such badges is prohibited.

3. No enemy who has surrendered will be killed, including partisans and spies. They will be duly punished by courts.

4. P.O.W. will not be ill-treated or insulted. While arms, maps, and records are to be taken away from them, their personal belongings will not be touched.

5. Dum-Dum bullets are prohibited; also no other bullets may be transformed into Dum-Dum.

6. Red Cross Institutions are sacrosanct. Injured enemies are to be treated in a humane way. Medical personnel and army chaplains may not be hindered in the execution of their medical, or clerical activities.

7. The civilian population is sacrosanct. No looting nor wanton destruction is permitted to the soldier. Landmarks of historical value or buildings serving religious purposes, art, science, or charity are to be especially respected. Deliveries in kind made, as well as services rendered by the population, may only be claimed if ordered by superiors and only against compensation.

8. Neutral territory will never be entered nor passed over by planes, nor shot at; it will not be the object of warlike activities of any kind.

9. If a German soldier is made a prisoner of war he will tell his name and rank if he is asked for it. Under no circumstances will he reveal to which unit he belongs, nor will he give any information about German military, political, and economic conditions. Neither promises nor threats may induce him to do so.

10. Offenses against the a/m matters of duty will be punished. Enemy offenses against the principles under 1 to 8 are to be reported. Reprisals are only permissible on order of higher commands.

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[Mark A. Baker]

Mark,

As you well know, Stephanie was referring (at least in part) to you attempting to take her HEAD OFF for 'daring' to have an opinion.

(Stephanies post 130 .... yours 138).

You (and possibly Stephanie) are reading WAY TOO MUCH into my post #138.

That post was about why TC might well be considered an ideal client by an "hot shot" attorney and how clever Marty is being with his legal communications to TC's attorney. That was the whole of my comm.

You (both) are welcome to your own opinions on such matters. You are also welcome to interpret my posts in any fashion that suits you personally. I really don't care.

However, recognize that such "creativity in interpretation" reflects your own private universe. It certainly does not reflect my views or communications.


Mark A. Baker

 

[I told you I was trouble]

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However, recognize that such "creativity in interpretation" reflects your own private universe. It certainly does not reflect my views or communications.

Mark A. Baker

Thanks for your reply Mark.

The truth is (for me certainly and possibly for others too) my own private universe has taken a bit of a turn of late (overall for the better) and yet there is still a way to go.

On occasion it feels as if some people here are bringing a (sometimes) hidden bottle of scotch to the 'AA' meeting and offering it around in the tea breaks ... and then smacking people around the head with the bottle if they refuse to accept.

Not very subtle ... little bit annoying ... overall transparent ... but possibly off-putting to some.

 

[KnightVision]

Thanks for your reply Mark.

The truth is (for me certainly and possibly for others too) my own private universe has taken a bit of a turn of late (overall for the better) and yet there is still a way to go.

On occasion it feels as if some people here are bringing a (sometimes) hidden bottle of scotch to the 'AA' meeting and offering it around in the tea breaks ... and then smacking people around the head with the bottle if they refuse to accept.

Not very subtle ... little bit annoying ... overall transparent ... but possibly off-putting to some.

I compredo this!

It's the unfortunate circumstances that those who are finding their way out of the muck and succeeding... have to shake our heads about the '2nd tier' Scilon contingent that professes to have the REAL, the WORKABLE, the RIGHT WAY 'tech' that we all missed out on while pursuing things at the Co$!

Just like the 'first tier'... their precious tech must be defended and shoved at anyone who dare kick it around like a can in the gutter. But, WTF- it's a somewhat useful annoyance as it provides a constant demonstration of why we left in the first place. A Scilon is a Scilon is a Scilon.

 

[uniquemand]

KV, is someone shoving this stuff at you?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I compredo this!

It's the unfortunate circumstances that those who are finding their way out of the muck and succeeding... have to shake our heads about the '2nd tier' Scilon contingent that professes to have the REAL, the WORKABLE, the RIGHT WAY 'tech' that we all missed out on while pursuing things at the Co$!

Just like the 'first tier'... their precious tech must be defended and shoved at anyone who dare kick it around like a can in the gutter. But, WTF- it's a somewhat useful annoyance as it provides a constant demonstration of why we left in the first place. A Scilon is a Scilon is a Scilon.

Very well put, sir!

I like to think that those Scientology "LOYAL OFFICERS" that hang out on ESMB are like the Japanese jungle fighters at the end of World War II.

Nobody told them the War was over and they kept fighting for decades after.

They still fought for the honor of Emperor Hirohito.

Now, they fight for the honor of Ron and his Tech.

Everyone else has read the newspapers that Scientology does not produce Clears or OT's.

Can somebody please send some newspapers to Scientology Island and let them know to put down their emeters and go home?

 

[uniquemand]

Isn't it great when everything is black and white? So much easier to either be off or on. I'm like, digital, or something.

 

[Dulloldfart]

He correctly points out that if only German Soldiers had Ron's study tech and had even applied Code Point #1 of Keeping Nazis Working (below) "...none of those needless public relations flaps for Hitler would have ever happened!"

I believe the war crimes of the "Allies" were far worse than Hitler's.

For example, from the section Who Started the Blitz?

Between 1940 and 1945, sixty-one German cities with a total population of 25 millions were destroyed or devastated in a bombing campaign initiated by the British government. Destruction on this scale had no other purpose than the indiscriminate mass murder of as many German people as possible quite regardless of their civilian status. It led to retaliatory bombing resulting in 60,000 British dead and 86,000 injured. The British and the USA also bombed France, resulting in 60,000 civilian dead.​

Paul

 

[Terril park]

Mark,

As you well know, Stephanie was referring (at least in part) to you attempting to take her HEAD OFF for 'daring' to have an opinion.

(Stephanies post 130 .... yours 138).

It was a blatant attempt to bully her into silence or to demonstrate to others how clever you are ... (it isn't Thursday so I won't mention stats).

This is not a freezone thread.

It is an Ex scio board and, as you also well know, there are a LOT of guests/lurkers reading and deciding if they want to join us ... or not, and even though others have objected to it in the past, I feel I can add my thoughts to this subject ... because I can ... and because I am free to say what I really think these days.

Even though the very first time I LOOKED here and felt that I was at home ... I didn't move in for another 8 months, simply because I did not want to spend anymore time with bolshy scientologists ... well, they tend to be a wee bit 'serious' and 'concrete' in their communication ... 'emotion free' (of course they are usually well drilled in the emotional tone scale ... so they can 'act' the various tones when required, but that's all a bit transparent these days isn't it?).

For many, part of the healing process includes posting here ... and they may not appreciate seeing others that post having their heads potentially removed by someone who is always 'right' ... at least when scientology is being discussed.

I know I dislike seeing it very much, It is also as tiring and boring as being in the cult was and (as I may have mentioned before) I would rather spend my time shoving live wasps up my arse than partake ... and that of course, is the intention of most of the scientologists/dilettante scientologists, bullies/OSA and the assorted chameleons and clever clogs that post here.

I think they want us all to go home and be quiet. Or at the very least, to accept that they are 'right' whenever they post ... and especially right if it is in the support of scientology.

Good luck with that then.

Mark is a clever clogs, and I usually find his posts very interesting and informative.

Mark is not a bully by any stretch of the imagination, he gave a long thoughtful expression of how he saw things that was quite on topic, and
how he disagreed with Stephanie and why. His post contained no ad hominem at all.

 

[Alanzo]

David Miscavige beats his staff.

And he orders his staff to beat up people for him, too.

This is the result of 100% standard Scientology Ethics, Tech and Admin.

That's the point of this thread.

Let's not forget it.

 

[RolandRB]

David Miscavige beats his staff.

And he orders his staff to beat up people for him, too.

This is the result of 100% standard Scientology Ethics, Tech and Admin.

That's the point of this thread.

Let's not forget it.

Pardon me but is it not illegal to do that in the US? How old is Guillame Leserve, for example? Is it legal to imprison an OAP and to beat the crap out of them on whim? Shouldn't somebody, somewhere, be reporting this to the police? Has anybody done this or made an official police complaint? Has nobody thought to do that?

 

[MrNobody]

Pardon me but is it not illegal to do that in the US? How old is Guillame Leserve, for example? Is it legal to imprison an OAP and to beat the crap out of them on whim? Shouldn't somebody, somewhere, be reporting this to the police? Has anybody done this or made an official police complaint? Has nobody thought to do that?

The police doesn't have much say in religious practices. Jus' sayin'

 

[RolandRB]

The police doesn't have much say in religious practices. Jus' sayin'

Also, if I understand it, the Riverside police are in the pockets of the cult. But I would like to know if anyone over there has made a complaint to the police about this and what the follow-up was? It strikes me that protesters make a lot of noise in the US but don't actually do much along the lines of using normal procedures for complaint. In the UK, they do both.

 

[Ted]

I believe the war crimes of the "Allies" were far worse than Hitler's.

For example, from the section Who Started the Blitz?

Between 1940 and 1945, sixty-one German cities with a total population of 25 millions were destroyed or devastated in a bombing campaign initiated by the British government. Destruction on this scale had no other purpose than the indiscriminate mass murder of as many German people as possible quite regardless of their civilian status. It led to retaliatory bombing resulting in 60,000 British dead and 86,000 injured. The British and the USA also bombed France, resulting in 60,000 civilian dead.​

Paul

Things that go BOOM! So much fun.

But, isn't war itself a crime?

 

[Alanzo]

Pardon me but is it not illegal to do that in the US? How old is Guillame Leserve, for example? Is it legal to imprison an OAP and to beat the crap out of them on whim? Shouldn't somebody, somewhere, be reporting this to the police? Has anybody done this or made an official police complaint? Has nobody thought to do that?

Personally, I am at a total loss here.

I think that in the US you can beat up anybody you want as long as they are your employees, and you pay their payroll taxes.

 

[RolandRB]

Personally, I am at a total loss here.

I think that in the US you can beat up anybody you want as long as they are your employees, and you pay their payroll taxes.

Fair enough. It is the "Land of the Free", after all. It is a little difficult for us Old World people to get our heads around this concept but I am sure we will get there in the end. So imprisoning and beating the crap out of a senior citizen is OK (sorry "okay") in the Land of the Free and it is not proper to report this to the authorities. I see. I think I'm beginning to understand.

 

[Alanzo]

Fair enough. It is the "Land of the Free", after all. It is a little difficult for us Old World people to get our heads around this concept but I am sure we will get there in the end. So imprisoning and beating the crap out of a senior citizen is OK (sorry "okay") in the Land of the Free and it is not proper to report this to the authorities. I see. I think I'm beginning to understand.

Law Enforcement in the US are obviously way too busy pursuing drug dealers, because they get to seize their homes, boats, and take all their property, than to waste time on arresting people for beating up their employees, for which they get no money whatsoever.

In fact, Law Enforcement in the US actually loses money on those cases. They're a lot of work and there's no payout for them.

 

[MrNobody]

Well, I've never been in scn or in RPF, but as I understand it, the RPF inmates are there voluntarily (sorry, I don't have a better word for that). So as long as they are there from their "own free will" what can the police do?

RPFer: "Sorry, officer, I'm here out of my own free will, to make up for those outrageous deeds I've done to the church, and I take any beatings from our religious leader with pride. I'm happy that our religious leader gives me with so much attention and it makes me sad that he has to beat me that much, for being such a bad person."

Officer: "Sorry, I didn't want to interfere with your religious practices. Bye." End of story.

The mindset of those "in", as I understand it, is different from the mindset of those "out".

Honestly, those of you who have been in RPF, what would you have done if a police officer came in? What would Mark Headley or Marty Rathbun or all the others that are out now have done while still in?

 

[MrNobody]

Also, if I understand it, the Riverside police are in the pockets of the cult. But I would like to know if anyone over there has made a complaint to the police about this and what the follow-up was? It strikes me that protesters make a lot of noise in the US but don't actually do much along the lines of using normal procedures for complaint. In the UK, they do both.

If my memory serves me right, Maureen Bolstad tried this route when she wanted to see her sister*. Her Sis showed up at the police station with a cult lawyer and stated that she didn't want to communicate with Maureen.

* Someone who knows more about this subject please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Fair enough. It is the "Land of the Free", after all. It is a little difficult for us Old World people to get our heads around this concept but I am sure we will get there in the end. So imprisoning and beating the crap out of a senior citizen is OK (sorry "okay") in the Land of the Free and it is not proper to report this to the authorities. I see. I think I'm beginning to understand.

Ummmm...noooo...Al was yanking your chain. We Americans cannot even spank a child anymore. This country is almost as hampered by pcness and mealy mouthed political correctless as is yours. So, no, it's not legal to hit people.