New Letter to Fields from Rathbun - Folks It's Even Worse!!

[KnightVision]

After experiencing Scilon-ville first hand... let us not falter when we begin seeing the light of day....

Go Rathburn!

Bring it on... let's go to the end of the universe and chime in at every opportunity....

Anybody who has the balls to expose what was going on behind the scenes... can rest assured that they are mostly supported every step of the way.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

YSCOHB = You Should Check Out Hairy Butts :confused2:

It probably is that ...

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

YSCOHB...

YSCOHB = You Should Check Out Hairy Butts :confused2:

It probably is that ...

Or alternately...

Yo Shorty! Come Over Here, Bunkie!

EP

 

[RolandRB]

Or alternately...

Yo Shorty! Come Over Here, Bunkie!

EP

Or

You
Soon-to-be
COhabitant and
Housewife of
Bubba

 

[Dulloldfart]

Why not ask Marty? I bet he knows.

Paul

 

[Voltaire's Child]

His name's Rathbun.

 

[Dulloldfart]

His name's Rathbun.

He lives in Texas.

Paul

 

[Alanzo]

He lives in Texas.

Paul

He eats red meat and makes Dave go Apoplexis.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

His real name is Mark and that is not a chicken on his header.

 

[Type4_PTS]

His real name is Mark and that is not a chicken on his header.

He crossed over from the dark side, now feels much better.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

His real name is Mark and that is not a chicken on his header.

Actually it's a Texas Water Chicken. Texans are "different".


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

See you soon Winston.

I know what you mean too, this letter from Marty has affected me badly, the only thing that has compared to this is when I read the musical chairs story.

This systematic destruction of the top scn. execs on the planet is by far one of the most depraved and horrific examples of true insanity I've ever encountered.

For me it's twisted the knife as far as the 25 year betrayal I experienced in the cult goes.

So, this is where it leads, this road to truth? Well, fuck you Ron and fuck the midget promoting your 'legacy'.

If your tech had been worth having, then this could never occurred, "learn to shatter suppression" indeed.

More like 'learn how to cultivate an oppressive regime and enslave others'

I largely share your sentiment, however I draw a distinctly different conclusion from yours in that if the auditing tech had actually been IMPLEMENTED in accordance with the Codes this shit would not have happened. The fact that tens of thousands HAVE benefited from application of the tech and then cried BULLSHIT on the power crap (witness the Schism of '82) supports that thesis.

Unfortunately the whole Co$ game IS in a "must have/can't have" games condition however & whenever it may have arrived at this state. There's plenty of "responsibility" to be handed around, too.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Stephanie]

Hi Stephanie,

Nice to see you back after 5 months away!

I agree with you BTW ... Fields must be crazy to take anything on to do with TC at the moment!

Thank you! I've been on the chat area from time to time. But as my good hearted lawyer told me I was addicted to this board, I've taken the advice and am keeping my distance.

My lawyer also wouldn't work for the CoS for anything. I once mentioned, and the reply was on the lines of, ' if I did that, there would be an especially nasty place in hell for me.' ( this part is added for Mark A. Baker )

He spent quite a lot of time de-programming me free of charge, even went to events ( got into sales cycles that he's never seen the likes of with two of them on him, etc.., and wouldn't even give a penny, and now he's even worried that they've got his name in there database and might be planning a get even program, or 'fair game'), tours , etc... after which we logically went over the 'outpoints'. He says they are crazy paranoid. He's right.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

My lawyer also wouldn't work for the CoS for anything. I once mentioned, and the reply was on the lines of, ' if I did that, there would be an especially nasty place in hell for me.' ( this part is added for Mark A. Baker )

Well good on him! Although I fell to see how you consider this would be to my interest.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Stephanie]

Why on earth would you think that? :confused2:

TC is just the sort of client a lawyer wants: well heeled and in need of complex legal assistance. Given that the client is rich, the bill is likely to be paid. It might take some time, but it's gonna happen. Much better than some poor contingency case shmuck.

Lawyers are "hired guns", i.e. mercenaries. They don't WANT to know what the client has DONE. They don't ask. Having positive knowledge of a client's actions raises the potential for ethical conflicts with their duty as officers of the court. They prefer being in a position of "studied ignorance".

All that lawyers want to know is what are the circumstances of the case so they can defend it plausibly. U.S. jurisprudence is adversarial in nature. It is not principally occupied with determing "truth". Thus lawyers are referred to as advocates not truth-seekers.

A lawyer likes a client who will LISTEN while he outline the legal situation and who is subsequently able to frame his own accounts of attendant circumstances according to the legal risks. Knowing the "truth" can make a lawyer's life unimaginably complicated. Clients who get all "confessional" are a lawyers worst nightmare.

Part of the cleverness of Marty's approach, as BB has pointed out, has been his way of forcing Fields to acknowledge potentially troublesome facts about his client in a way in which he has a professional obligation to take up those issues with that client. AIIIEEEE! That is NOT what Fields really wants to have to do as TC's attorney. Additionally, MR is illuminating clear distinctions between what constitutes TC's own legal interests, which Fields' is ethically bound to serve as his attorney, and the interests of other parties, i.e. DM, Co$, etc.. And he's doing it all the while showing Fields' how TC MAY well have "screwed the pooch".


Mark A. Baker

Mark,

You must have more free time than I have to write out this response to my statement.

I'm not into this, so I won't be spending anymore time on it. The whistling and clapping is not appreciated.

TC is just the sort of client a lawyer wants: well heeled and in need of complex legal assistance. Given that the client is rich, the bill is likely to be paid. It might take some time, but it's gonna happen. Much better than some poor contingency case shmuck.

Not one of your numerous responses to my statement is supported with anything other than the word of Mark A. Baker. I'm not a believer unless I see the evidence, proof, something like for example ethics for the legal profession, 5th edition by deborah k. orlik, where the standard of care is explained.

[/QUOTE]

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Mark,

You must have more free time than I have to write out this response to my statement.

Undoubtedly.

I'm not into this, so I won't be spending anymore time on it.

Good for you.

The whistling and clapping is not appreciated.

It wasn't about you.


Mark A. Baker

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Undoubtedly.




Good for you.




It wasn't about you.


Mark A. Baker

Mark,

As you well know, Stephanie was referring (at least in part) to you attempting to take her HEAD OFF for 'daring' to have an opinion.

(Stephanies post 130 .... yours 138).

It was a blatant attempt to bully her into silence or to demonstrate to others how clever you are ... (it isn't Thursday so I won't mention stats).

This is not a freezone thread.

It is an Ex scio board and, as you also well know, there are a LOT of guests/lurkers reading and deciding if they want to join us ... or not, and even though others have objected to it in the past, I feel I can add my thoughts to this subject ... because I can ... and because I am free to say what I really think these days.

Even though the very first time I LOOKED here and felt that I was at home ... I didn't move in for another 8 months, simply because I did not want to spend anymore time with bolshy scientologists ... well, they tend to be a wee bit 'serious' and 'concrete' in their communication ... 'emotion free' (of course they are usually well drilled in the emotional tone scale ... so they can 'act' the various tones when required, but that's all a bit transparent these days isn't it?).

For many, part of the healing process includes posting here ... and they may not appreciate seeing others that post having their heads potentially removed by someone who is always 'right' ... at least when scientology is being discussed.

I know I dislike seeing it very much, It is also as tiring and boring as being in the cult was and (as I may have mentioned before) I would rather spend my time shoving live wasps up my arse than partake ... and that of course, is the intention of most of the scientologists/dilettante scientologists, bullies/OSA and the assorted chameleons and clever clogs that post here.

I think they want us all to go home and be quiet. Or at the very least, to accept that they are 'right' whenever they post ... and especially right if it is in the support of scientology.

Good luck with that then.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Actually it's a Texas Water Chicken. Texans are "different".


Mark A. Baker

Ah ... you learn something every day around here ... did you see that scoots?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I largely share your sentiment, however I draw a distinctly different conclusion from yours in that if the auditing tech had actually been IMPLEMENTED in accordance with the Codes this shit would not have happened. The fact that tens of thousands HAVE benefited from application of the tech and then cried BULLSHIT on the power crap (witness the Schism of '82) supports that thesis. Unfortunately the whole Co$ game IS in a "must have/can't have" games condition however & whenever it may have arrived at this state. There's plenty of "responsibility" to be handed around, too.
Mark A. Baker

Oh yeah, you're right! If only the LRH "codes" had been religiously followed, none of this shit would have happened!

Ron would never have promoted aggravated assault. No one ever laid even an finger on Paulette Cooper or Lisa McPherson.... you're right!

The CODES are the way out of this terrible mess.

We have to re-study and re-dedicate ourselves to the CODES!!!

Let's review one more time to be sure. Ron never PROMOTED aggravated assault. To do so would have been out PR.

 

[Zinjifar]

The 'Codes' are weasel-words. I invite anyone to examine them and find an actual mandate or verbot. It's all about 'Don't do this, unless you really want to'.

Zinj