Little David
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He seems to admire and delude himself into believing Hubbard's grandiose delusions about himself.
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pineapple
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I'm sure it differed depending on where and when you were, but the Hawaii Org in 1975 was not at all cult-like. It was a comfortably beat-up old house in a residential area surrounded by tropical vegetation with a stream running behind it. The staff looked more or less like hippies and were walking around in aloha shirts, shorts and sandals. The vibe was very friendly and relaxed.
There was some anti-scn material available then. I read "Scientology: The Now Religion" and "The Scandal of Scientology" shortly after I encountered scn. The first book is pretty mild, as anti-scn books go. It leaves out a lot of info that is general knowledge now. The second has a sensational, tabloid tone that led me to doubt what the author said. (I know it's true now. Indeed, I knew it was true long before I left scn.)
There's no comparison between the information about scn available today via the internet and what you could find in a library then. And now you can get it with a few clicks.
I guess there will always be some people who have to see for themselves, no matter what they're told. I don't think they're stupid, necessarily. They've never before encountered anything with the mind-altering power of scn. They're told they don't have to believe anything they don't want to and "what's true is what's true for you." They think they can quit whenever they want to. They don't know how difficult it will be.
There was some anti-scn material available then. I read "Scientology: The Now Religion" and "The Scandal of Scientology" shortly after I encountered scn. The first book is pretty mild, as anti-scn books go. It leaves out a lot of info that is general knowledge now. The second has a sensational, tabloid tone that led me to doubt what the author said. (I know it's true now. Indeed, I knew it was true long before I left scn.)
There's no comparison between the information about scn available today via the internet and what you could find in a library then. And now you can get it with a few clicks.
I guess there will always be some people who have to see for themselves, no matter what they're told. I don't think they're stupid, necessarily. They've never before encountered anything with the mind-altering power of scn. They're told they don't have to believe anything they don't want to and "what's true is what's true for you." They think they can quit whenever they want to. They don't know how difficult it will be.
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better yet, take the acid and forget about scientology altogether.
phenomanon
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Best to forget about both acid and scientology.
Veda
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Are you sure? It may not have seemed cult like to you.
There was a period after Hubbard's 1974 motorcycle accident (the era of BTBs) when things were a little loose, but it didn't last.
Sooner or later the Sea Org would arrive and put ethics IN.
Do you know what happened to this very atypical Org after 1975?
Did this atypical Org have a Scientology Bookstore?
If so, it would have featured the newly released 'Hymn of Asia'.
There were many 'Advance!' magazine covers from late 1974 and through 1975, that featured Hubbard as Buddha:
I can be addressed
But in our temples best
Address me and you address
Lord Buddha.
Address Lord Buddha
And you then address
Metteyya.
L. Ron Hubbard, from 'Hymn of Asia'
Veda
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The people in the video were ten to twenty years older than I was at the time.
They were there when Fair Game and Disconnection was openly practiced.
I was involved some time later, after the (bad) "PR flap" when Hubbard decided that Fair Game and Disconnection would become mostly covert, although they would still be practiced. As a "public person" I kept my distance from such things, and focused on completing the services I went into Scientology to do.
I am not attacking these people. Just stating facts.
My point, initially, was that, when encountering someone who expresses an interest in "doing Scientology," that, perhaps, a gentler way of responding to him or her might be preferable.
Veda
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Yes, the Scientological Onion in application.
Sometimes people in some Missions (and - mostly rich - people using field auditors) would need special auditing to prepare them for their first trip to a Class IV (Now Class V) Org, or upper Org.
The explanation always was that the Mission public were still too aberrated, and needed additional auditing to prepare them for the "Power of Source" they'd encounter at Orgs.
I told you I was trouble
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Or ... perhaps we should all yawn and ignore posts like the OP's or just burst into raucous laughter simultaneously ... and suggest they go into the closest org and ask to see the registrar and the quicker they do so the better.
I no longer care much who does and who doesn't get involved in scientology ... the facts are all readily available at a moments notice just as they are regarding the adverse effects of drugs, excessive alcohol, sugar and cigarettes, using your mobile phone while driving a car, tying a plastic bag around your head or jumping into deep water prior to learning to swim ... the individual makes his or her own choices ... and then lives with the consequences.
People already sucked in (prior to the internet) do concern me ... they are actually trapped (or think they are) or have nothing left to go back to if they do make a run for it which is another version of the trap, but newbies can join the cult by the dozen for me. If they are that dim-witted or attention seeking they probably deserve scientology and all that comes with it.
I care deeply for generational scientologists, to be born to scientology parents and virtually raised to become a cult member (via the indoctrination that often starts as a baby) is about as sad as it gets and only a very strong person can escape that.
pineapple
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Excuse me. I should have said that it didn't seem at all cult-like. There were not, as you said, "lots of 'this is a cult' warning lights flashing on and off" as soon as you entered. Sure, it was a cult. But it wasn't obvious. Other orgs were probably different.
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pineapple
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Actually, I got into scn to forget about acid. But scn wouldn't let me.
guanoloco
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Did they have toilet paper?
pineapple
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F.Bullbait
Oh, a wise guy,eh?
OP: "Jeez, I was just asking for a little guidance!"
guanoloco
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Yes, actually!
Yeah? Well then, it's true. Other orgs were different!
Clay Pigeon
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I am often falsely jacketed as one of Elron's sycophants.
I am an auditor and I am grateful to the man for his work which has enabled me to do many exceptional and wondrous things for many people
And he is a figure of sufficient greatness that Nostradamus gave him two quatrains of prophecy...
Clay Pigeon
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Bill
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Your blind adoration of Hubbard reeks of desperation. His well documented abuse is, to you, "not abuse". His well documented and pervasive lying is, to you, "not important". His total failure to produce the promised, miraculous results is, to you, "miraculous results"
. This psychopath who has destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people is, to you, a genius, who has "saved the world".Anything negative about Hubbard must be ignored or, if you can't ignore it, discounted. Anything remotely positive, including "Nostradamus predictions"
, are desperately embraced by you.No, Birdy, your adoration of Hubbard is very much about desperation.
What would happen if you admitted his lies, his failures, his abuses, his psychopathy? What would happen to you?
Clay Pigeon
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"Blind adoration", hardly. He was a randy old goat who couldn't keep his pecker in his pants but he was a genius who produced a respectable though flawed body of work.
I've known many friends who lied about their military service. I'm glad my buddies showed up. I got no complaints about the truth of Hubbard's military record. Beyond that the man's poetic liscence commercial grade was in good order and he was entirely good to go for producing fiction.
Il Salvatore Mundi is held to be Jesus of Nazareth at this desk.
Hubbard is not branded as a psychopath. Most of his "abusive conduct" was distinctly similar to my DI's in basic training nor is he considered to have destroyed tens of thousands of lives
And to answer your final question, I would dishonor myself as Hubbard's work has enabled me to do some very kind and wonderful things for many people
I've known many friends who lied about their military service. I'm glad my buddies showed up. I got no complaints about the truth of Hubbard's military record. Beyond that the man's poetic liscence commercial grade was in good order and he was entirely good to go for producing fiction.
Il Salvatore Mundi is held to be Jesus of Nazareth at this desk.
Hubbard is not branded as a psychopath. Most of his "abusive conduct" was distinctly similar to my DI's in basic training nor is he considered to have destroyed tens of thousands of lives
And to answer your final question, I would dishonor myself as Hubbard's work has enabled me to do some very kind and wonderful things for many people
phenomanon
Canyon
Had a lot of drug rundowns, eh? lol.
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