New member -questions about harassment

TomKat

Patron Meritorious
Hi TomKat
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I've heard the story about how Scientology harassed the IRS . I think other cults have borrowed some of their harrassment techniques now.

The gang-stalking story is a myth being perpetuated by alt-right hate groups...its a way to re-direct the blame to another group, and to incite fear in people.
BTW, I had no political involvement (,liberal or otherwise) and was never involved in any online groups either. I usually voted liberal (as did most Canadians in the last federal election) .....but no reason for me to be targeted for political reasons.
The incidents you describe are exactly the same as what is called gang stalking. So if it's a myth, then you have no problem.

If you want to get to the bottom of the mythology leveled against you, hire a private investigator to check out the person you suspect of instigating the mythology.
 

Flora

Patron
Flora, I have no idea if this will help; and as I have been away from here a fair while, I don't know the details, but, perhaps if you decided to take yourself and your troubles a little less seriously, perhaps even laugh at yourself and the whole mad thing, it might help a lot, and in many many ways. i am not venturing an opinion on what you have been saying here, just giving the best advice I can think or right now. Best of luck of course
Hi Christopher
I guess I would laugh (more) if these people weren't criminals who have done things such as steal my phone, slash our tires, and arrange to have people come into my place of employment to scream at me and to cause a huge scene. Well, at least I wasn't laughing at the time those events occurred.

I guess I could laugh at the fact that these people are so stupid and so arrogant that they decided to criminally harass an innocent person, and they didnt even expect that person to figure out what was going on. THAT part is kinda funny....
 

CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON

Patron with Honors
Hi Christopher
I guess I would laugh (more) if these people weren't criminals who have done things such as steal my phone, slash our tires, and arrange to have people come into my place of employment to scream at me and to cause a huge scene. Well, at least I wasn't laughing at the time those events occurred.

I guess I could laugh at the fact that these people are so stupid and so arrogant that they decided to criminally harass an innocent person, and they didnt even expect that person to figure out what was going on. THAT part is kinda funny....
Laughing in that face of pain is way out of most people's capabilities; but laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of life might help. and it is supposed to be good for our health---------
 

Flora

Patron
Laughing in that face of pain is way out of most people's capabilities; but laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of life might help. and it is supposed to be good for our health---------
I do laugh AFTER...
I mean when the 2 crazy women came in to work and caused a big scene, (i had to take an extra break and calm down) but then when I had calmed down and I described the events to everyone, I could see the humour in it. There is always humour in the extreme stupidity of others.

And when the lawyer's wife phoned me and tried to scare me by telling me that she was recording our conversation (and THAT happened to be the exact same claim the 2 crazy women had made when they came into my work)...well, I definitely had a good laugh then , because I realized how stupid these people were to use this same tactic again. It's like they have a playbook that they follow, even when it's detrimental to what they are trying to accomplish.
Pretty funny.
 

CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON

Patron with Honors
I do laugh AFTER...
I mean when the 2 crazy women came in to work and caused a big scene, (i had to take an extra break and calm down) but then when I had calmed down and I described the events to everyone, I could see the humour in it. There is always humour in the extreme stupidity of others.

And when the lawyer's wife phoned me and tried to scare me by telling me that she was recording our conversation (and THAT happened to be the exact same claim the 2 crazy women had made when they came into my work)...well, I definitely had a good laugh then , because I realized how stupid these people were to use this same tactic again. It's like they have a playbook that they follow, even when it's detrimental to what they are trying to accomplish.
Pretty funny.
here is one joke we can share today. Sometimes I get e mails claiming they hacked and videod me watching porn, and the price of their silence is a hell of a lot of bitcoins. First one I contacted the police, advised me to ignore, have deleted them all unread ever since. Another one today I decided to say something stupidly rude in reply. Can't remember the exact words, but did call him an idiot.

ps I read a book about the korean war once and a lot about brainwashing. Final conclusion; brittle people break easily, if the prisoner has a good sense of humour they never crack.
 

Flora

Patron
The incidents you describe are exactly the same as what is called gang stalking. So if it's a myth, then you have no problem.

If you want to get to the bottom of the mythology leveled against you, hire a private investigator to check out the person you suspect of instigating the mythology.
Tomkat
It's a myth in the way that it's currently being presented in the media....its being used as a way to cause even more fear in the general. public. Interesting enough, this is a topic I'm working on right now and I just sent out some emails the other day to try and get some groups involved in this. Sadly, I haven't had much response yet, but I will persevere. Hopefully someone will wake up to severity of the situation.

In Canada its illegal for a PI to spy on someone, I believe, so if you find one willing to do that, is the information they gather usable in a legal case? I dont know if it is or not...will need to check that out.
 

Flora

Patron
here is one joke we can share today. Sometimes I get e mails claiming they hacked and videod me watching porn, and the price of their silence is a hell of a lot of bitcoins. First one I contacted the police, advised me to ignore, have deleted them all unread ever since. Another one today I decided to say something stupidly rude in reply. Can't remember the exact words, but did call him an idiot.

ps I read a book about the korean war once and a lot about brainwashing. Final conclusion; brittle people break easily, if the prisoner has a good sense of humour they never crack.
That must be a new scam that I haven't heard about yet. It will probably start in Canada any day now....
Yes, I usually just hang up on the phone scammers, but sometimes I have a little fun with them first...(the ones who admit they are really scammers at that point, are no fun, its the ones who keep pretending they are legit,
that sometimes just lose it...)
The big difference though is that these people are the criminals and they contacted ME.....so if I want to mess with them a bit, it's all on them.
Criminals and law-breakers need to be held accountable for their actions. If we just ignore them- then they will continue to scam more and more people.
 

Flora

Patron
So, the gaslighting harassers are trying some new tricks. Here's a picture of something they wrote recently. I've blacked out any names connected to the person who write it.

A question for any ex-members who lived in LA and were involved in Scientology in the late 80's....does this sound like a legit story? I have a feeling these harassers invent half of the BS they write.
 

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Flora

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Yup, sounds legit.
So, do you happen to know the name of this band? I know the name of this lead singer (who never mentioned being a singer before this...) and I know she has lied repeatedly about other things, so I really dont trust her. Also, these people are all connected to a number of crimes. Some of these people are currently in jail, some have been indicted, some have been in jail, and some have ended up dead.
 
Yeah not so much a scam as many claim here as it is an attempt to do an Ideal World in a world that wont be ideal •• that is my failing too so like today I realize — after reading someone saying it here — that to do the Exotic Upper Indoc OT one has to be an Exotic Upper Indoc OT When they walk in the door which is exactly what I claimed when I went in Dallas Mission late spring of 1977 ♦ did not happen so I continued to trudge it out but did blow one Whole Track Incident doing Intro TR-0 so like maybe we can call me an Over Achiever but when I obtain a reading of the III Materials via Fishmann exhibit on the university thing; I find nearly nothing that I cannot already do tricks with anyway and recognize the contorted writing which is how you do it if you are trying to make headway on that material ◘◘◘ Shelia there is some really weird stuff that needs caution though hater-accounts or people who expend effort doing destructive things are sometimes just haters and unless they have been given good reason or are caught up in what SCN calls Oppterm ( opposition and eager about it )

Generally harassment derives from being vocal critic and in general if you do not attack them then they do not attack you but we must leave room for valid feelings if the departee was active and central and becomes adversarial ~ if we are simply inactive we can build participant lists to impressive numbers that PR Claims
 

Flora

Patron
Yeah not so much a scam as many claim here as it is an attempt to do an Ideal World in a world that wont be ideal •• that is my failing too so like today I realize — after reading someone saying it here — that to do the Exotic Upper Indoc OT one has to be an Exotic Upper Indoc OT When they walk in the door which is exactly what I claimed when I went in Dallas Mission late spring of 1977 ♦ did not happen so I continued to trudge it out but did blow one Whole Track Incident doing Intro TR-0 so like maybe we can call me an Over Achiever but when I obtain a reading of the III Materials via Fishmann exhibit on the university thing; I find nearly nothing that I cannot already do tricks with anyway and recognize the contorted writing which is how you do it if you are trying to make headway on that material ◘◘◘ Shelia there is some really weird stuff that needs caution though hater-accounts or people who expend effort doing destructive things are sometimes just haters and unless they have been given good reason or are caught up in what SCN calls Oppterm ( opposition and eager about it )

Generally harassment derives from being vocal critic and in general if you do not attack them then they do not attack you but we must leave room for valid feelings if the departee was active and central and becomes adversarial ~ if we are simply inactive we can build participant lists to impressive numbers that PR Claims
Nicholas, the scam reference was regarding phone and internet scams, not Scientology.

I have yet to see anything to truly connect Scientology to the people who have harassed me, other than some people making claims that its connected, or more recently, someone trying to introduce red herrings, (such as in this "lead singer in a band" story.)
I can't rule out that some of these people are connected to Scientology, but I definitely was never involved in it, so I don't think that's really the reason for the harassment.

I have to disagree with your opinion that "if you do not attack them they do not attack you"....as its 100% wrong in my case. Whoever is behind this was NEVER attacked by me - guaranteed.
 
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Nicholas, the scam reference was regarding phone and internet scams, not Scientology.

I have yet to see anything to truly connect Scientology to the people who have harassed me, other than some people making claims that its connected, or more recently, someone trying to introduce red herrings, (such as in this "lead singer in a band" story.)
I can't rule out that some of these people are connected to Scientology, but I definitely was never involved in it, so I don't think that's really the reason for the harassment.

I have to disagree with your opinion that "if you do not attack them they do not attack you"....as its 100% wrong in my case. Whoever is behind this was NEVER attacked by me - guaranteed.
I concur with your dismissal of my position and I am Type II on phone and internet scams so — you can be sure — some of them are failed Scientologists

My motivation was that and will be that I went in expecting to achieve exotic work above 8 and did attain some remarkable experience but is an overload of Scientologists who are and will only be Familial types • this is why I failed on TO-s site • I did not have any core-antago whom crowded me but did have marriage to {*******} whom impregnated beyond the marital ( i believe ) then bench of law so totally fucked me up that I cannot work by sending me to as counselor so I wipe the whole thing down to counselors ~ the type will Freeloader no matter where they go

I am an overwork case
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
I concur with your dismissal of my position and I am Type II on phone and internet scams so — you can be sure — some of them are failed Scientologists

My motivation was that and will be that I went in expecting to achieve exotic work above 8 and did attain some remarkable experience but is an overload of Scientologists who are and will only be Familial types • this is why I failed on TO-s site • I did not have any core-antago whom crowded me but did have marriage to {*******} whom impregnated beyond the marital ( i believe ) then bench of law so totally fucked me up that I cannot work by sending me to as counselor so I wipe the whole thing down to counselors ~ the type will Freeloader no matter where they go

I am an overwork case
you're a case all right. Of what I'm not exactly sure.

Flora - suggest you ignore him.
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
So, do you happen to know the name of this band? I know the name of this lead singer (who never mentioned being a singer before this...) and I know she has lied repeatedly about other things, so I really dont trust her. Also, these people are all connected to a number of crimes. Some of these people are currently in jail, some have been indicted, some have been in jail, and some have ended up dead.
Sorry, I have no idea what band it was. And it was in 1989, who gives a shit about something that happened 30 years ago?
 

Flora

Patron
Sorry, I have no idea what band it was. And it was in 1989, who gives a shit about something that happened 30 years ago?
Haha
I wouldn't give a shit either, except I'm just trying to prove that this person is fabricating BS yet again. However, she just invented another new story, which has even more holes in it, but she's apparently given up on the scientology band story.
Plus - she's now supporting a guy who's posting on Twitter about hearing voices in his head....(the voices are giving him instructions about Trump and building the wall..)... so I'm pretty sure she's as whacked out as the "I'm hearing voices" guy..
I'm not kidding about this...these people really are posting this stuff, and these are the same people who told me I'm nuts for believing that multiple people are involved in harassing me.
 
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