New member with a positive attitude

[Veda]

In this Clearbird excelled his instructor, Hubbard, as Hubbard never himself completed such a coherent & structured approach to his own tech.

-snip-

Clearbird: http://freezoneearth.org/clearbird/clearbird2004/index.htm


Mark A. Baker

Welcome Ali.G

The link features "The Road to Clear" ("Dianetic Clear"). It downplays the rest of the Scientology Bridge. This is misleading as the "rest" is also part of the Clearbird materials, but is - initially - kept behind the scenes, as it is in the "Church." In other words, Clearbird plays the same 'bait and switch' game, which begins with (the advertised) "ask them to look," and becomes "tell them what they see." Clearbird promotes Hubbard's significance-loaded treadmill, as does the "Church," but without the sharp edges. Mind F__k lite.

Granted those IN the Hubbardian mind-trap can't see it, so there's not much point in arguing with them.

Hubbard designed Scientology as a trap - and there's plenty of evidence to back up that assertion. The "mental healing" part of that "trap" is warped and corrupted by its having been used as the "Cheese" in the trap. And it's (this sounds like a Frank Zappa song!) not only good "cheese," but becomes contaminated "cheese" as one progresses.

This bait and switch "Bridge" that is a treadmill is an integral part of the larger Hubbard fan(atic) club movement and, as has been witnessed with the (now down) 'Friends of LRH' web site, that fan(atic) club is very much still around.

Any attempts to salvage the actual "positives" from Scientology (which - by themselves - would be another subject and not Scientology anymore) are hindered by the LRH fan(atics), who - most of the time - will deny being anything of the sort, while insisting that they "think for themselves," etc.

Scientology is not an honest subject - despite its truth-coating.

The Scientology cult - and its destructive effects - is far from disappearing, despite its current dysfunctional phase. This is why a realistic examination of the entire subject is advisable.

The 'Scientological Onion':

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=19183&postcount=1

 

[Cherished]

There is truth in what you say, although the "trap" elements are decidedly overstated.

You're entitled to that opinion, of course. But there are many here who disagree with you about that and would assert that the trap elements are embedded in the tech.

But, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Ali.G]

Very interesting stuff guys... I'm on a break, so I read all just quickly, but you've done incredible contributions...
By the way I might understand that by processing through the bridge, especially through the auditing side, you might get more and more in a trap... basic concepts (the ones I've talked of before) to me are good, but I may see the point of Veda, especially when you enter the more esoteric stuff of Scientology once you address OT Levels and Ls: once you get in complexities and things that "read on a meter" but you may not know exactly where they are coming from, you may be lead on paths which are not the truth.
Hubbard was also a very sci-fi oriented imaginative guy... I've seen different views here and elsewhere that say that maybe he is too focused on implants, and though he may have audited many people, I for the moment still believe, at least in part, that his road to freedom may well just be a way through HIS case. I wonder even if he actually fucked up something in his auditing, as the impression, reading of his life, is that not always was he really in control, he got a lot of entheta and in some periods of his life he was, I believe, at effect. Maybe it is just a normal mechanism of the Universe, but I wouldn't drop the idea that, maybe, some things which happened to him were the result of "dirty hands" and unresolved case restimulations acting in PT.
Another thing which tells me he was not really the Messiah and as free as he wanted to be, is the fact that he believed one should not restimulate people out of session as it causes trouble; still, all the symbols he used were designed so that they could restimulate past organizations of the alleged time track of humanity; and structuring the Sea Org and the "Academy" the way it is, to me is a direct dramatization of his failures in war experiences... reading also about the way Sea Org works in missions, with people "sacrificing" (an early christian restimulation?) for the benefit of mankind, and the way when "you screw a single mission" you get demoted or worse go to RPF, reminds me of the way he described Psychlos in his "fictional" (?) books. As far as I remember he denigrated the Psychlos, as they were the enemy of mankind, still he replicated some order and structures the same way that fictional society works.
I'd really like some debate on the stuff above, if anybody wants to comment.
What I'd like to achieve in my life though, is an increase (or restoration) of my theta abilities and a break from the restimulation of past cause-effect incidents while living my life.
The ability to go exterior at will would be really the differentiating factor between a true "religion of the spirit" and the self-enhancing practices like Robbins and co. Do you know of any good "research", outside of Scientology, describing the state, or how to achieve it, or providing a good and simple path to it?
Hope all the contributors can chime in again

By the way, has anybody here achieved a pretty good state of permanent exterioritation, and what about Scientology? Can Scientology achieve it and at what OT level exteriorization becomes sound? How Ls interact with it? How do the trap supposedly laid out impact on such ability?

 

[knn]

There is truth in what you say, although the "trap" elements are decidedly overstated. The church and personality cult structure were the trap. They, however, can be easily dispensed with without affecting the nature of the subject of scientology.

What LRH did contribute was a simplicity of expression of some formerly esoteric ideas in spirituality and a fairly direct & simple way of training people to effectively assist others in addressing seemingly "intractable" situations in a coherent fashion. Although, his motives are suspect he also served a valuable function in coordinating & publishing the result of the pioneering endeavors of the many early scientologists who colloborated in the development of scientology. By all accounts he failed to adequately acknowledge those others who contributed to the work. That was a dishonorable action. Yet his own efforts in that endeavor were of considerable merit.

Mark says it exactly how it is. I agree with every sentence.

Moreover if it was a trap, he fell into it, too, because he himself was the biggest guinea pig for his tech.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Haha, when I've read FSM I've made key-in: NOOOOOO! Not again!
The buddy who takes a percentage, in a religious setting, looks to me a bit sick...
The "pusher" of Scientology ^^

By the way, there is no FSM in there freezone, isn't there? Wouldn't want to make a false step as my first step!

No, there aren't FSMs. Some people here like to imply or state that the FZ is just like CofS. It's not.

 

[Veda]

Very interesting stuff guys... I'm on a break, so I read all just quickly, but you've done incredible contributions...
By the way I might understand that by processing through the bridge, especially through the auditing side, you might get more and more in a trap... basic concepts (the ones I've talked of before) to me are good, but I may see the point of Veda, especially when you enter the more esoteric stuff of Scientology once you address OT Levels and Ls: once you get in complexities and things that "read on a meter" but you may not know exactly where they are coming from, you may be lead on paths which are not the truth.
Hubbard was also a very sci-fi oriented imaginative guy... I've seen different views here and elsewhere that say that maybe he is too focused on implants, and though he may have audited many people, I for the moment still believe, at least in part, that his road to freedom may well just be a way through HIS case. I wonder even if he actually fucked up something in his auditing, as the impression, reading of his life, is that not always was he really in control, he got a lot of entheta and in some periods of his life he was, I believe, at effect. Maybe it is just a normal mechanism of the Universe, but I wouldn't drop the idea that, maybe, some things which happened to him were the result of "dirty hands" and unresolved case restimulations acting in PT.
Another thing which tells me he was not really the Messiah and as free as he wanted to be, is the fact that he believed one should not restimulate people out of session as it causes trouble; still, all the symbols he used were designed so that they could restimulate past organizations of the alleged time track of humanity; and structuring the Sea Org and the "Academy" the way it is, to me is a direct dramatization of his failures in war experiences... reading also about the way Sea Org works in missions, with people "sacrificing" (an early christian restimulation?) for the benefit of mankind, and the way when "you screw a single mission" you get demoted or worse go to RPF, reminds me of the way he described Psychlos in his "fictional" (?) books. As far as I remember he denigrated the Psychlos, as they were the enemy of mankind, still he replicated some order and structures the same way that fictional society works.
I'd really like some debate on the stuff above, if anybody wants to comment.
What I'd like to achieve in my life though, is an increase (or restoration) of my theta abilities and a break from the restimulation of past cause-effect incidents while living my life.
The ability to go exterior at will would be really the differentiating factor between a true "religion of the spirit" and the self-enhancing practices like Robbins and co. Do you know of any good "research", outside of Scientology, describing the state, or how to achieve it, or providing a good and simple path to it?
Hope all the contributors can chime in again

By the way, has anybody here achieved a pretty good state of permanent exterioritation, and what about Scientology? Can Scientology achieve it and at what OT level exteriorization becomes sound? How Ls interact with it? How do the trap supposedly laid out impact on such ability?

Hey Ali. G.

Here's a link to a bunch of links, mostly having to do with "exteriorization," or related subjects:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=263818&postcount=103

 

[olska]

<snip>
What I'd like to achieve in my life though, is an increase (or restoration) of my theta abilities and a break from the restimulation of past cause-effect incidents while living my life.

There are many techniques of psychology and mental and emotional health that address the effects of past experience on one's current life. There are people on this board who are reporting great results with therapy. There are support groups as well, usually free, that focus on particular issues such as addiction, childhood abuse, etc. If you're not interested in seeking professional therapy, google the particular "issue" that's troubling you and see what comes up.

There are meditation techniques designed to help you focus on the NOW and free yourself of the intrusions of worry about past experiences and help you find peace and serenity. There are teachers and leaders who can help you with these, there are books and videos on the subject that you can follow all by yourself.

A simple technique that you can do at home, privately, for no more than the cost of a pen and paper is the "gratitude journal" in which every day you write down five things for which you are grateful. If you don't feel particularly grateful, write down the fact that you're still breathing, that your not living in a mud hut in a parched desert amongst a tribe of starving people -- such as that. Amazing what life-changing realizations come up when you do this simple exercise for a little while.

Don't fall for the idea promoted by LRH that scientology is the "only way" and that all other "paths" lead you into some trap. What a great way that was to get his "believers" to abandon any other method and give him all their resources! Believe it or not, people OUTSIDE scientology have found ways to improve their lives and well-being and their abilities.

The ability to go exterior at will would be really the differentiating factor between a true "religion of the spirit" and the self-enhancing practices like Robbins and co. Do you know of any good "research", outside of Scientology, describing the state, or how to achieve it, or providing a good and simple path to it?
Hope all the contributors can chime in again

Do a google search on ASTRAL PROJECTION and you'll find many who are involved in this endeavor and have techniques for achieving it. 1.15 million hits came up on my search -- here's one to get you started.
http://www.astralvoyage.com

By the way, has anybody here achieved a pretty good state of permanent exterioritation, and what about Scientology? Can Scientology achieve it and at what OT level exteriorization becomes sound? How Ls interact with it? How do the trap supposedly laid out impact on such ability?

Look up the definitions of "exteriorization" in your Tech Dictionary. One of them (I don't have it handy) is simply a certainty that you are not your body. Anyone who is convinced they are a spirit rather than a body qualifies as being in a "good state of permanent exteriorization" under that definition.

As for being able to pop out and go on little vacations to spy on old lovers, check up on the secret recipe for Coca Cola, etc., tweak the Powerball lottery in your favor, etc. -- it's an entertaining fantasy, but I've never heard of anyone who can actually do that.

But hey, if you believe it, it might be true! Keep on pouring those bucks onto the scientology "bridge" and maybe you'll be the one that makes it!

 

[Ladybird]

Keep on pouring those bucks onto the scientology "bridge" and maybe you'll be the one that makes it!

LOL, yeah, the ONLY one ever!

Many scientologists have made it to OT (exteriorization) by using the only scientology process that actually works to exteriorize you from your body. Unfortunatly it is a one way ticket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45

“ R2-45: AN ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE PROCESS FOR EXTERIORIZATION BUT ITS USE IS FROWNED UPON BY THIS SOCIETY AT THIS TIME. ”
—L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability
(all caps as per the original

 

[Ali.G]

LOL, yeah, the ONLY one ever!

Many scientologists have made it to OT (exteriorization) by using the only scientology process that actually works to exteriorize you from your body. Unfortunatly it is a one way ticket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45

I'll check that, I've just seen it quotes using a gun, I guess it is fun stuff
I remember there were some lectures where the command for exteriorization was "be three feet back of your head" or something like that.
Supposedly, I guess with rudiments flown and a tone-40 command, it could work.

In my Scientology I've actually had some exteriozation experiences, basically I felt that myself as a thetan was able to permeate a larger space than what I usually do. No viewpoint change though.

I once was put also on an Ext RD (or maybe Int, I can't remember the name) as after one particular experience something got fucked up, and I was very prone to making little accidents.

I'll read about astralprojections and such.

I guess though that Scientology has something right which, I believe, won't be found in other techniques... usually people go exterior in a session. So, before going exterior, they are pretty clean, no masses around, much more in PT and a fresher mind and spirit. I guess that is a good precondition to experience a good exteriorization.

Also, wanting to check what is doing your gf or something like that doesn't work well with exteriorization as far as I believe: you basically load yourself with false purposes and it's the best way to get back in.

As far as my experience goes, if you just experience a little of what being key-out and feeling a sense of exterioritazion means, you'll realize I don't really care of going around away from my body and through the walls.

Being permanently exterior, or able to go exterior at will, for me means permeating more space with myself. It doesn't affect your powers as you would think of a ghost (or maybe it does that too, but that is not an ability I yearn for), it does to me affect the way by which, just by postulating, you can more effectively communicate with other thetans, or the way, just by permeating the space and other beings, you can as-is or lessen masses and let them feel better. A bit in the same way that meeting a charismatic leader makes you jump on the tone scale. Or when aesthetic, like live music and performances, can let you feel a sensation of "spiritual osmosis". This to me is the greatness of the times you have a big cognition and you go exterior. You can get in that "peace of mind" that heals other people as well. Your verbal communication uses different wavelenghts and people get more inspired and can cognite more easily as well. Does anybody share a similar view of what really is and means being exterior?

I guess I have a problem though with going exterior... I keep on feeling that, no matter what I do, I don't do enough and don't get enough from life. I guess that is the thing that keeps me stuck, I many times feel this keeps me in a state of "permanent failure". Does anybody have any idea of what I should address? I'm very curious of the replies

 

[olska]

<snip>
Being permanently exterior, or able to go exterior at will, for me means permeating more space with myself .... the way by which, just by postulating, you can more effectively communicate with other thetans, or the way, just by permeating the space and other beings, you can as-is or lessen masses and let them feel better.

If you normally go around in a self-absorbed, self-interested state of mind, simply reaching out and being interested in others, offering a smile or a kind word, taking your attention off yourself and observing how you can be helpful in little ways in normal life, can be a life-altering experience.

In doing so, you most definitely "permeate more space." Try it.

I guess I have a problem though with going exterior... I keep on feeling that, no matter what I do, I don't do enough and don't get enough from life. I guess that is the thing that keeps me stuck, I many times feel this keeps me in a state of "permanent failure". Does anybody have any idea of what I should address? I'm very curious of the replies

Address the possibility that being so self-absorbed is not a healthy or happy state of mind.

Do try the Gratitude Journal. It's free. It's simple. It has worked wonders on other people who felt they were in a state of "permanent failure."

Good luck.

 

[Axiom142]

Booyakasha Ali G!

Much respek to you for having the cojones to get out of the CoS, innit.

I'm basically one of those, like many here, who got much out of Scientology and would have liked to get even more, but I believe Orgs are run badly, with staff focusing too much on getting cash and production, instead of making the environment a nice place to learn and enlighten oneself.

For real.

What isn't good instead, is the prices currently charged and the way organizations are run, which in fact many times is aberrated. The fact is Orgs and the people running them are the problem: while I was an active Scientologist, I liked the courses and drills, they taught me something. What I didn't like, was the feeling you perceived while being at the org: any free time was a chance to be regged, asked to sign contracts with the Sea Org, fund IAS campaigns and the like; if you attended the courses, you had to take it fucking seriously, if you had some free time you HAD to be in class... even if your house was a mess or one day you really would ENJOY do something else... and the fix to any "open speaking" or "reasonable thinking" was PUNITIVE ETHICS!

Absolutely. The constant pressure to ‘be a good Scientologist’ (i.e. do what you are told, without question and keep forking out the cash) made St Hill an unpleasant place to be. It took me a long time to realise why this was.

I want to tell you this guys: THIS IS NOT SCIENTOLOGY!!! This is what aberrated, badly paid, not-very-smart staff make it become!!! If the orgs hadn't the objective of spilling every single cent from parishioners and were quiet, peaceful, not-for-profit organization with fairly-paid staff, SCIENTOLOGY WOULD BE GOOD!!!

There are plenty of Scientologists who know this is not right and say the same thing. Yet they go along with it anyway. But, equally, there are plenty of people (Scientologists and ex) who would tell you that it is exactly how Scientology is meant to be. And, you could argue that since the ‘Church’ of Scientology owns the Scientology ‘brand’, including all the copyrighted materials and was officially endorsed by Hubbard, ipso facto, whatever occurs under the auspices of the CoS is Scientology, and what you are referring to is an unrealistic utopian version of Scientology that can never exist in the real world.

If Scientology could deliver what is claimed by Hubbard, how come the management of the CoS, who should be so incredibly sane and rational and have abilities verging on the supernatural, cannot see the ruinous path that they are embarked on, when it is transparently obvious to you, me and scores of others who are supposedly much less able and sane?

Policies, dogmas and aberration is what is screwing Scientology. The policy that to thrive as an organization you've got to take every penny from your public. The policy that you've got to bring in more people, and if you don't do it, you suck and you're an SP (they don't tell you that, but if they could, some staff has become so aberrated this is what he really thinks). The dogma that 75 million years ago Sci-fi screwed your life and that it happened for real.

The policies and dogma came directly from Hubbard. He made the rules and set the standard.

I believe that you could take the Scientology Handbook, strip useless parts, write concepts in an immediate and effective way, add to it the comprehensive body of knowledge coming from advanced lectures, and you could condense 90% of what is good of Scientology in a couple hundred pages.

I agree, but to many Scientologists (including Hubbard), this would be the worst possible crime that you could ever commit – squirreling.

And I think I know something about being accused of that!

What I'd really like to find somewhere on the net, is a good forum where you can get ideas to improve your life and the life of others. Where man can increase its power and abilities by being influenced by the right ideas in the right way.

Well, good luck in finding them. Or perhaps you could start one?

I look forward to hearing more from you Ali. You obviously have a bright and enquiring mind and it is even more obvious why you could never have remained a part of the CoS.

Keep it real,

Axiom142

 

[ExDDofT]

Stay Positive

Hi and Welcome.

Disregard the negative-keep your positive attitude and it will attract more of that. I'm with you-I did have great wins in everything I did in Scn, but my brother believes it's because I'm the type of person who just wins with any good thing I apply. Maybe he's right. I milk truth out of every nook and cranny of life, wherever I find it, and I make it work to somehow make my life better. But Scn did offer me a lot of answers that helped me figure out alot for myself as an artist and as a person on this planet dealing with a lot of other very great and also very fucked up people. You gotta kind of disregard the ones that are just there to bring you down and stay close to those shining stars. That's how i survived blowing the S.O., the initial guilt, the wrong indications put on me-wrong label-though it is policy-it does not make sense for me-I am no Suppressive-far from it, but Policy-or the misuse of it-says I'm to be called as such.

Well, that's the organization at war with itself, and I saw a lot of good people that i loved within it, but also saw a hand-full that seemed to take pleasure in punishing people in the name of "ethics"-not cool-not cool at all.

So I understand and agree with you but there will be many who did not get the wins and gains you and I did, unfortunately-my brother is one of them-years in the S.O. with NO tech ever applied to him. So they won't understand that place we view from, but don't engage in the negative crap. Just believe what is real for you-your personal integrity is all that matters-when you lose that............you have lost Everything!

Much love to you, Buddy!

Welcome-message me whenever you want.

-M.

 

[Björkist]

Welcome.

Isn't cool how certain individuals are chomping at the bit to tell you how things "are" and thus how you should think/feel about them?

I find many things in the subject of Scientology incredibly useful, as well. Hubbard was quite a thetan and the quality of my life improved greatly due to items contained in Scientology (conditions, ARC, KRC, certain processes, etc.).

I also, however, occasionally receive knowledge gained from psychedelic experiences...and I hold that Shamanism (one of the the oldest "religions" on Earth) is a valid alternative to many of the faux and severely limiting cults (and people) of Earth who lead inquisitions and insist on their flavor of freedom being the one and only or it's no freedom at all for you.

Which really pisses off at least 1 OSA agent who is assigned to ESMB...

I hope you learn (and laugh) as much about yourself and others as I have here.

May Björk bless all your days and nights.

 

[Ali.G]

Hey guys, thanks for the last messages, you are showing to me I'm not alone, there are still people seeking the truth and saying some of it was found and is still contained in parts of SCN.
To some I've replied in personal, in these last two weeks I've had a great spike of activities and I guess that although I'm "expanding my time", I cannot stop it (can anyone do that? In this universe? I guess not) and find it still to be a limited resource.

I hope we can create a nice circle in this forum. Many intelligent people with a lot of different experiences. If we could only channel our energies and shoot them on a common agreed-upon direction, we could build some strong knowledge on this forum.

I guess that at the moment, what we are missing is more moderators (somebody must be "responsible" for the various sections, to make them progress) and stickies with resources and facts.

And a common dream. And sooner or later a committment to act, and change the world. Am I being delirious?
This is the state I've been in the last 4-5 weeks, it's letting me achieve a lot. Also in my worklife, where I'm postulating the company where I work for to better satisfy the customers and go global with ideas of mine. Hope it doesn't deteriorate, hoepfully I'm continually reinforcing and reimagining my dreams.

I've never been to one, but OT committees could be a model to look upon and inspire us. We could take what they do good, the bad parts, we can throw them away.

Right now a "cause" I'm very fond of, is considering whether labor lawsuits could be an effective way to reform Scientology and "kill" current management. People have false data on religious organizations and compliance with labor laws. Here, in my post, you can find some references. Can you look at them and tell me what do you think?
I'd actually like to focus on the tech side of things... but the Church seriously needs reform, it is creating entheta, making bad PR about technology which has a lot of positive aspects and just wasting money for suppressive acts. I guess we cannot tolerate it, if we can act, we should TRY TO HELP AND ACT!
What do you think about this?
Hope I can make you join on my dreams and let you make them better. And more real. Living with dreams is just more fun. Are you joining me on the ride?
Sincerely, Ali.G

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Hello Ali.G,

I do hope with a nick like that you will at least try to make us all laugh.



Welcome.

 

[thetaCannon]

Hi Ali,

This is to address your questions/statements about NLP...

I spent a lot of years comparing NLP (particularly 3D Mind and Magical Rapport by Essential Skills), EFT, and Scientology, along with psychology, New Age spiritualism, and whatever else I could lay my hands on.

Seeing them all lined up next to each other, I can say with some certainty that the only thing I really "got" out of the exercise is some certainty that a sucker is born every minute, and a con-man to go with it.

The thing is, there's nothing very magical or even useful about exteriorisation. It's just a slightly different way of experiencing your imagined life anyway.

You seem to be asking for advice, so I don't mind giving some:

Thetans do not and cannot exist separate from bodies, they are just a refined, branded version of everyday self-consciousness.

Tony Robbins is a scam artist.

Self-help in general is a toxic waste of time. Apply your talents to a real science.

Hope that helps

 

[Ali.G]

thetacannon, I don't know what to say... you may be totally right, or it just may be some people can understand and apply self-help while other cannot.
For sure, Robbins works with top people and these people don't mind being mentioned by him or even expressing their ideas on tape. You can say it's paid sponsorship, but since this stuff is giving me results, at least temporarily, I can "suspend my disbelief", especially since I've not given out a buck to Robbins.
Tell me he had nothing to do with Agassi going back to nr.1 and winning Wimbledons, and I might listen to you.
About exteriorization I'm not saying it's the key to everything, quite the opposite, to me it's just an interesting phenomenon and I'd like to know more and experience more about it, and see how it connects with my other personal truths. It's a field with a lot of false data and I'd like to get the facts straight, at the moment I'm reading this fun thread, and something is coming out of it.
Some people just decide that a normal, even a bit pathetic life, is what they would have to strive for. It's not the way I like life, call me a megalomaniac but to me life is about creating your own future, where you live on a higher plateau than where you are now.
And still I can be a very pragmatic and reasonable person.
I guess that only the future will tell who is right and who is wrong. And you may even be the winner, but I can tell you I'm enjoying my ride

 

[degraded being]

thetacannon, I don't know what to say... you may be totally right, or it just may be some people can understand and apply self-help while other cannot.
For sure, Robbins works with top people and these people don't mind being mentioned by him or even expressing their ideas on tape. You can say it's paid sponsorship, but since this stuff is giving me results, at least temporarily, I can "suspend my disbelief", especially since I've not given out a buck to Robbins.
Tell me he had nothing to do with Agassi going back to nr.1 and winning Wimbledons, and I might listen to you.
About exteriorization I'm not saying it's the key to everything, quite the opposite, to me it's just an interesting phenomenon and I'd like to know more and experience more about it, and see how it connects with my other personal truths. It's a field with a lot of false data and I'd like to get the facts straight, at the moment I'm reading this fun thread, and something is coming out of it.
Some people just decide that a normal, even a bit pathetic life, is what they would have to strive for. It's not the way I like life, call me a megalomaniac but to me life is about creating your own future, where you live on a higher plateau than where you are now.
And still I can be a very pragmatic and reasonable person.
I guess that only the future will tell who is right and who is wrong. And you may even be the winner, but I can tell you I'm enjoying my ride

Oh yeah, I can see that you're enjoying your ride!

 

[Björkist]

...but I can tell you I'm enjoying my ride

 

[Free Being Me]

Hi Ali, welcome