New post from blownforgood - MUSICAL CHAIRS INT BASE STYLE

Div6

Crusader
Completely out tech too! Hell, whenI had a pts sit the first thing I had to do was write up MY ows.....but DM? No...lets go no effect on self, total effect on others....


Clamity Dave....A disaster looking for a disaster.
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
Well, while we wait for that reply, I can tell a small DM tale for you chilluns, something that someone just reminded me of.

In around 2003, after his latest offload fest during which 150 people were offloaded from the Int Base, DM started to feel those natural responses that any person would get from committing such a sizable overt, but since he cannot spot himself as the source of the problem -- and it was not vanishing -- he came to the obvious conclusion that the ENTIRE Int Base is suppressive as a group against him, and that he should disconnect from it for once and for all.

Putting aside such insignificant details as LRH tech on the matter, DM one day says he's had it, calls up Jenny DeVocht (then CO CMOI) and tells her he is disconnecting from the entire Int Base, he is never coming back to the base again, never issuing another order; he never wants to have anything to do with anyone on the base again. In the same, he gives the Base a program of sorts to handle this SP/PTS situation.

Can any of you think with this?! Chairman of the Board RTC disconnects from the entire Int Base on the basis that he is PTS to us?!?!

As part of this program he orders (since he is COB RTC and is at cause over the situation) the entire Base to listen to the "Can We Ever Be Friends" tape, as in handling the antagonistic element!

So there we were, having an all-Base tape play of "Can We Ever Be Friends." It was so absurd, surreal, weird and twisted as to escape all reason, if anyone wants my opinion of it.

At that point you can really only ask yourself "what wall?"

(The next day he changed his mind, DA'd the briefing by Jenny DeVocht as "unauthorized," and resumed giving orders to the base)

I briefly went with a fella who turned out to be on speed. He reminds me of DM's behavior. Do you think DM might be on any type of drugs? Another reason I'm asking is because sometimes the Church accuses others of being drug dealers and I can't imagine why they would think that up unless someone was dramatizing his own overts, get my drift?
 

bts2free

Patron with Honors
OK, so I am getting the feeling that a few people here think DM is nuts. Was he always like this or did he suddenly or slowly "go crazy"?

Why would someone work their entire lives on something like Scientology and then turn it over to an incompetent?

And Lulu, I think it is very important to know what capacity BFG is/was in during these incidents especially considering the angle he writes his stories from.

Some like to just gobble up anything that supports their already cemented viewpoint. It helps make them feel like they are divinely right. Or didn't you know that?

I don't get over here much guys, but I saw this thread and had to comment. Hope you don't mind.

Yes, BFG was present at the "Musical Chairs" incident and no, he was not one of the off-loads. And he is definitely not DM himself. The fact that this whole incident was video taped was absolutely retarded for DM to allow and hopefully someone will bring it out from the base as that would truly be hard evidence against the terror midget. Additionally, pretty much EVERYTHING DM says in meetings or when it has to do with everyday business at the base is recorded by one of his assistants and then typed out as a transcript. These transcripts are then sent out to concerned parties on the base who have something to do with the orders from DM. These are stamped with a red "DO NOT COPY". They are then word cleared by all parties concerned. If you put all of these transcripts in stacks, they'd probably fill a trailer. It would be great if those documents surfaced on the outside. I know one of the last things Andre Tabayoyan attempted to do before leaving the base was to take a bunch of Int Base documents off the base for "shredding" and there was a MAJOR flap in regards to this as he had mishandled the cycle and a bunch either went missing or nearly got into the "wrong hands", I don't remember the exact details of it, but there were enough documents to actually fill a trailer in that cycle. This was the last thing Andre did before he blew. So, possibly some of those documents are actually out there!

As well, I can attest that everything BFG has written about (that I was personally witness to) is 100% accurate. :thumbsup:

Cheers!
BTs2Free
 

Little Bear Victor

Silver Meritorious Patron
I briefly went with a fella who turned out to be on speed. He reminds me of DM's behavior. Do you think DM might be on any type of drugs? Another reason I'm asking is because sometimes the Church accuses others of being drug dealers and I can't imagine why they would think that up unless someone was dramatizing his own overts, get my drift?

Doubt it, but I also have no idea what he is doing when the lights go out.

I know he is an avid drinker of energy drinks (you know Red Bull type stuff), and a heavy smoker. Neither of which is anything unusual.

If anything, he might go for amphetamine type stuff, since he sleeps very little. And since LRH did, it would make it "right" for him to do so as well.

I don't know enough about the visible effects of drugs to say one way or the other.

But I get your drift. I could check with some people who have been in more COB meeting than I to find out if he had a habit of asking people if they are on drugs, which would, as you point out, be an indicator...

V
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Doubt it, but I also have no idea what he is doing when the lights go out.

I know he is an avid drinker of energy drinks (you know Red Bull type stuff), and a heavy smoker. Neither of which is anything unusual.

If anything, he might go for amphetamine type stuff, since he sleeps very little. And since LRH did, it would make it "right" for him to do so as well.

I don't know enough about the visible effects of drugs to say one way or the other.

But I get your drift. I could check with some people who have been in more COB meeting than I to find out if he had a habit of asking people if they are on drugs, which would, as you point out, be an indicator...

V


Ya gotta wonder about his obsession with "sexual perversions", too......
 

Wisened One

Crusader
OMG!

:omg: I cannot BELIEVE that that Musical Chairs Story is TRUE?! WOW. YOU should write a book, you'd make MILLIONS!

That is ONE SICK STORY. If only someone could get a hold of that tape!

And NOW I understand where the idea came from for our ED to force us to to run blocks around our local Org (in full executive wear,ladies in their high heels, guys in suits/ties,etc.)
All the 'wogs' were looking at us like the idiots we were.....:duh:

Wisened One
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Bump!

Hey BFG (Hope you are a poster here, too?!)

Post MORE regarding what happened with Musical Chairs, PLEASE???

Wisened One
 

OHTEEATE

Silver Meritorious Patron
HELP!

I need some help locating a post from BFG which had the things listed out that DM has to approve. I'm sure some of you remember it. It may have been a transplanted clambake post. a little help. please? Thanks, guys. It's for a book.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Can we put ALL BFG stories in this thread, here? It'd be great to come here for a quick search and condensed info from BFG.

Wisened One.
PS:I'll do it, This IS OK!:)
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
I think it would be better to have a seperate thread with just his posts in date order, for quick reference. This thread is huge already. :)
 

Free Will

Patron with Honors
I see a picture of a keen kid called David on the Briefing Course at Saint Hill. Eager to learn the ways of LRH.
Yes, I remember how cute he looked peeking over the e-meter when he was sec-checking me for Captain Bill's Mission to RPF all R/Sers. He was being treated as a prodigy - while his older sister got caught in the East Grinstead Scientologist strip-poker scandal! I F/Ned all the way through as I couldn't let myself lay anything heavy on such an innocent-looking kid.
I vaguely remember him saying 'thank you, your needle's floating' and being pleased when I seemed to agree.

That Musical Chairs incident is horrifying - playing with people's lives, careers, sanity in such a fashion - but strangely enough I could believe he's just diligently following Command Intention "What would Ron Do?" After all, we all knew that LRH had people keel-hauled or locked in bilge-tanks on the Apollo.

It amazes me now that each of us could act as witness to insane cruelty feeling powerless to stop it since any discussion between us was natter and could get us both declared.
 

Tom of Helatrobus

Patron Meritorious
Reading this story just reaffirms my belief that this whole Scientology/Cult thing is being perpetuated to feed a DMs ego and sadistic thirst for power. I'm sure he can rationalize his harsh actions to himself, but, as far as I can see the real reason he does what he does is a lust for power over others.
 

Pixie

Crusader
I'll just chime in here. I agree with the posts above by Lulubelle and LBV
regarding dm and his dominion over the poor folks still at the int base. I
speak from my own experience. When you have commited yourself
to the whole s.o. mindset and viewpoint, you tend to believe that dm has
inside knowledge and a "lack of reasonableness" that makes his take on
things superior to your own. So when you are at the receipt end of some
abusive action, you tend to feel *you* had it wrong, not dm. Even if the scene seems absolutely bananas, you tend to soul-search on how you could
be so off the rails.

As to lrh's sci fi writing, Mission Earth, to me, is like a poor x-rated comic
book, albeit a long one. R. Crumb would have been much better at it.

Hi Suzicue, welcome to the forum :happydance: Looking forward to reading your posts. And for sure, of course you'd never think in a million years it may be their fault, it never crossed my mind anyway, it was always something within you causing all the chaos, you were getting yourself into trouble all the time, it was never 'Ron', or 'McSavage', so you got so introverted you just became a walking mechanism. A typical robot, I mean this stupid stupid question everyone used to band about 'what would Ron do'.. :puke: what chance did we have believing in just that never mind the rest of the mind bending shit we had to study.
 

Pixie

Crusader
You dear, dear soul! I love you!

It takes years in my experience, but you do reach a peace one day!

Try to let it be. It is what it is. DM is what he is. LRH was what he was.

May your anger fade to love, the better to enable you to help. Your brave soul and fine heart will guide you the rest of your days! :)

:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
 

Pixie

Crusader
I think I read this over a year ago, or was it another "musical chairs" post from blown for good?

It was about the same incident and I read it between one year and two years ago. So, this happened quite some time ago. Maybe a lot of those staff if they were booted out are back at Int now.

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This story (or one very similar) was posted as a link by Kookaburra a couple of weeks ago on a thread called the SP Hall. However for sure, it's the stuff of nightmares.:omg:
 

Pixie

Crusader
It used to be common, and, still is in some (ignorant) circles to posit that one must be *stoopid* to get involved in Scientology in the first place.

Thankfully, the past 10 years have given most a more differentiated view and abilitity to comprehend the *trap* involved; the trickery involved; and, to better understand that, while it's few people who eventually get sucked in, *intelligence* is far less a factor than naivete.

Most 'wogs', once they begin to comprehend the Mind Fuck tend to show compassion for those still trapped, and a differentiated comprehension for what *keeps* them there.

Strangely enough, it's the Scientologists and ex-scientologists and those who are 'Scientology Trained' who show the *least* comprehension or compassion. Or, not so strangely; because the Scientology Mindfuck teaches 'ultimate responsibility' and, for those who are doing 'OK', anyone who *isn't* 'Pulled It IN'

Almost as depressing as hearing about the slaves-of-their-own-minds-and-an-exploitive-Cult victims being tortured at Int Base is listening to the smug Scienophiles who announce proudly that 'It Could Never Have Happened To Me'.

Zinj

:clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Free Will

Patron with Honors
Ne Revenimus. We won't be back - but we did what we could while here. Ir might seem wierd at the moment but I love you all!

LRH ED 13 UK - as I recall "YOU TURN THIS GOVERNMENT ACTION INTO A BOOM FOR US. UTILISE THE PUBLIC'S FREE TIME BY DRIVING THEM IN FOR TRAINING. BOOKS MAKE BOOMS. LOVE=RON
 
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