New SP Declares in LA

[Chris Shelton]

On the South African blog today (Sunday, Dec 15), Karen DelaCarriere posted the following:

"Just to widen so you get a bigger picture ~ AOLA Advanced Org of Los Angeles is being used as a “clearing house” to investigate and declare all these anti-social characters who have been giving megabucks for years (no refunds, we keep the *donations* while we kick you out)….AOLA = A Gestapo head office of investigation and cross-investigation and orders to furiously Knowledge report those dissidents who dare to think and say a critical thought…
7 Los Angeles Scientologists being declared this week alone…all declares carefully hidden and locked in HCO and quietly revealed by Julian Schwartz so that ordered disconnections are done VOLUNTARILY to match the party line…
Some of these are long long term 20 year/30 year/40 veterans OT VII completions…."

Who are these 7 declared SPs in LA recently? Does anyone have any observation on the ground there as to what is going on?

 

[NoName]

Oh please..... Let one of them be my 2d.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Looking forward to new members here!

 

[NoName]

So do we have a link to thr original story or a list of names yet?

 

[ThetanExterior]

Karen was asked for the names a few days ago in another thread and she posted them.

I can't be assed to search for it but it's on ESMB somewhere.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Karen was asked for the names a few days ago in another thread and she posted them.

I can't be assed to search for it but it's on ESMB somewhere.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...rmer-OSA-agent&p=886962&viewfull=1#post886962 but I don't know if she posted more than the first two anywhere.

Paul

 

[Chris Shelton]

Well does anyone have Karen's email address they'd be willing to PM me? I would like to ask her about this directly but I can't find an email address for her anywhere. I can PM her here but I don't know how often she comes to ESMB.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I just googled it. It's not secret. Karendelac at aol.com.

Paul

 

[Smurf]

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...rmer-OSA-agent&p=886962&viewfull=1#post886962 but I don't know if she posted more than the first two anywhere.

Karen only posted the names of two people. I'm sure she has good reason for not posting the others. I'm sure they will be released in good time.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Oh please..... Let one of them be my 2d.

Boy, can I relate to THIS sentiment! SIGH!

May it be so, soon, Noie!

 

[Karen#1]

Greetings Galactic Patrol,

[email protected] is best.
I liked your essay on Mike Rinder blog !
Good keen observations.​

 

[Karen#1]

True Story :

A male old timer (let's call him Phillip) entered American St. Hill (ASHO) recently.
The book store is all around immediately at the entrance. He leafed through a $20 book pondering on purchase while a Sea Org member approached him to walk over to a computer.

He was asked for ID. He provided his Driver's License, where upon a computer search was done.
He felt like this was customs and immigration checkpoint checking for a fugitive !

" No ! Put the book down, you can't purchase it, you are a Declared SP" said the voice with command authority.

"What ?" "What ? Nonsense, no one told me I was declared, I've been around since 1970s San Francisco days ..Rubbish !" he retorted.

It went back and forth. One thing about Phillip. He loves debates. He thrives on sword fencing especially intellectual abstract theoretical debates. He can go for hours. It is his forte.

Finally and reluctantly after incessant debate "if it isn't written, it isn't true" 2 Sea org members told him they would let him see his Declare before he left. Adamant this was a fantasy debate, they all 3 went down the 2 flights to HCO. A key opened the HCO Office. Another key opened a very heavy locked cabinet. One drawer pulled out which was full of golden rods. Then out comes his declare. It was true. There it was. Never mailed to him, no information, only accidentally found out.

He has been reading the Internet ! Posting anonymously on nefarious Indie blogs! Continued adherence to squirrels ! blah blah blah. He reads 2 of his friends are also declared and he is friendly with THEM. I can name only one, Joe Alessandrini of Los Gatos Mission who was previously declared, did A to E and now is re-declared.

Now Phillip, who loves a debate especially if he can tangle in tells the 2 SO members he is taking his SP declare and starts to walk towards the door.
At which they go ballistic and a tug of war ensues. Phillip doggedly unwilling to let go of his Golden rod.
"HCO call order!" is called, Security comes down and others and a bar room brawl erupts with yelling, screaming, pounding, Phillip is decked on the floor and eventually overwhelmed by security Guards relinquishes his Golden Rod.

He is escorted out of ASHO.
And he ONLY went in to pick up a $20 book !
Phillip is a 40 year veteran now declared but not in the seven I had mentioned earlier.
This is only a related story.
This is inside ASHO in this day and age.
And the beat goes on.

​

 

[Out-Ethics]

Can you imagine going into a Barnes and Noble bookstore to purchase a $20 book?

 

[AnonyMary]

True Story :

A male old timer (let's call him Phillip) entered American St. Hill (ASHO) recently.
The book store is all around immediately at the entrance. He leafed through a $20 book pondering on purchase while a Sea Org member approached him to walk over to a computer.

He was asked for ID. He provided his Driver's License, where upon a computer search was done.
He felt like this was customs and immigration checkpoint checking for a fugitive !

" No ! Put the book down, you can't purchase it, you are a Declared SP" said the voice with command authority.

"What ?" "What ? Nonsense, no one told me I was declared, I've been around since 1970s San Francisco days ..Rubbish !" he retorted.

It went back and forth. One thing about Phillip. He loves debates. He thrives on sword fencing especially intellectual abstract theoretical debates. He can go for hours. It is his forte.

Finally and reluctantly after incessant debate "if it isn't written, it isn't true" 2 Sea org members told him they would let him see his Declare before he left. Adamant this was a fantasy debate, they all 3 went down the 2 flights to HCO. A key opened the HCO Office. Another key opened a very heavy locked cabinet. One drawer pulled out which was full of golden rods. Then out comes his declare. It was true. There it was. Never mailed to him, no information, only accidentally found out.

He has been reading the Internet ! Posting anonymously on nefarious Indie blogs! Continued adherence to squirrels ! blah blah blah. He reads 2 of his friends are also declared and he is friendly with THEM. I can name only one, Joe Alessandrini of Los Gatos Mission who was previously declared, did A to E and now is re-declared.

Now Phillip, who loves a debate especially if he can tangle in tells the 2 SO members he is taking his SP declare and starts to walk towards the door.
At which they go ballistic and a tug of war ensues. Phillip doggedly unwilling to let go of his Golden rod.
"HCO call order!" is called, Security comes down and others and a bar room brawl erupts with yelling, screaming, pounding, Phillip is decked on the floor and eventually overwhelmed by security Guards relinquishes his Golden Rod.

He is escorted out of ASHO.
And he ONLY went in to pick up a $20 book !
Phillip is a 40 year veteran now declared but not in the seven I had mentioned earlier.
This is only a related story.
This is inside ASHO in this day and age.
And the beat goes on.

​

Somoene, please tell 'Philip' that he needs to sue ASHO for assault and discrimination~!

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Somoene, please tell 'Philip' that he needs to sue ASHO for assault and discrimination~!

well, IMHO, he would be batting on a very sticky wicket - he was on private property trying to take something that did not belong to him.

Once he was instructed to leave the declare alone and to leave - he had NO OTHER right than to leave unimpeded and without taking the property.

 

[RogerB]

well, IMHO, he would be batting on a very sticky wicket - he was on private property trying to take something that did not belong to him.

Once he was instructed to leave the declare alone and to leave - he had NO OTHER right than to leave unimpeded and without taking the property.

A bit debatable that reasoning . . . he went into their public bookstore at the first. Then, according to the organization's doctrines and published policy he is to be shown and given a copy of all reports on him.

So at a minimum, he has recourse for their violation of HIS rights under their own policy, they are in fraudulent breach of contract (he is a paid up member and entitled to have the promise of HCO Policy properly applied . . . that is the contract!) and there is no excuse or justification for assault. He rightly can assert he was entitled to take the goldenrod handed to him as that is what theor own Policy says should be done and he can do! So there is every reason for him to protest their violation of their own policy and doctrines.

R

 

[Ted]

A bit debatable that reasoning . . . he went into their public bookstore at the first. Then, according to the organization's doctrines and published policy he is to be shown and given a copy of all reports on him.

So at a minimum, he has recourse for their violation of HIS rights under their own policy, they are in fraudulent breach of contract (he is a paid up member and entitled to have the promise of HCO Policy properly applied . . . that is the contract!) and there is no excuse or justification for assault. He rightly can assert he was entitled to take the goldenrod handed to him as that is what theor own Policy says should be done and he can do! So there is every reason for him to protest their violation of their own policy and doctrines.

R

I agree. In a fair and just world that is true.

However, …

 

[Mick Wenlock]

A bit debatable that reasoning . . . he went into their public bookstore at the first. Then, according to the organization's doctrines and published policy he is to be shown and given a copy of all reports on him.

So at a minimum, he has recourse for their violation of HIS rights under their own policy, they are in fraudulent breach of contract (he is a paid up member and entitled to have the promise of HCO Policy properly applied . . . that is the contract!) and there is no excuse or justification for assault. He rightly can assert he was entitled to take the goldenrod handed to him as that is what theor own Policy says should be done and he can do! So there is every reason for him to protest their violation of their own policy and doctrines.

R

well R - he was shown the report. He was on the private property of the organization, not the bookstore and he attempted to remove private property after being told to leave.

Not sure what is debatable about that.

the policies of the organization might, indeed, lend themselves to a private lawsuit - on that I cannot comment but on the parts of criminal law that apply - that i do know somehwat.

If you are on private property and refuse to leave you can be ejected by the owner and the owner can call the police to have them do it and should you refuse to leave , in most cases, you will be arrested. IN most jurisdictions (I do not know if this is the case in LA) Security Guards are deemed to have the rights of the property owner when it comes to protection,

An attempt to remove private property can be prevented from occurring by appropriate force if necessary.

Those are not civil offenses they are criminal ones.

So the person could possible file a civil suit for not being allowed to purchase a book I guess - though by your reference to the "contract" you would also have to concede that the person was CORRECTLY discriminated against by the religion. He was declared therefore not entitled to scientology, he objected and demanded to see it in writing - he was shown it.

Where is the breach?

 

[Chuck Carmichael]

I may have over-looked it, but who are the declared people?

 

[FlunkYou]

I can tell you right now, that SO member is going to be RPF'd for not grabbing that $20 before kicking this fortunate SP to the curb. GI before all else!!! (at least I think that's their motto.)