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New SP Declares in LA

Discussion in 'North America' started by Chris Shelton, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. Out-Ethics

    Out-Ethics Patron Meritorious

    Interesting that no specifics are given. The date is given but what did they say? Who did they talk to? Who are the SPs and squirrels they were associated with? What overt were they justifying? What exactly happened? Oh that's right if they put the truth in the declare others COULD read this and that would cause more people to leave. But just put a Hubbard quote in, point out they are squirrels and SPs and big violators of KSW YAHTZEE we got a bona-fide SP declare.
  2. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    Once again you are alowing your wishes to outrun the facts.

    AS the final word on the cofs "jurisprudence" is - the cofs -and their approval declared him then your opinion about whether it was fair or not has no bearing. If he disagreed with the declare - then by the contract he was, theoretically a part of - his only recourse was to withdraw and file a request for a comm ev from the appointed 'terminal" . Not sure where you get anything else from this.

    As for civil rights - what civil rights were violated?

    he was on private property and refused to leave when asked to do so. That is trespass. By the policies he bought into he was violating his SP declare - even if it turned out to be incorrect, false or whatever. So in either case - he has no case.

    He was trying to remove something that did not belong to him.

    You consistently fail to even address the facts roger - and ,as usual, fly off into some construct of your own making.

    get your petticoats in order and stop trying to make a silk purse out of sows ear.

    Just because the cofs act like assholes does not make everything they do illegal. Merely obnoxious.

    AS for membership in the IAS - for his membership to be in force he has to be a scientologist in good standing - so once again you just trailed another red herring.

  3. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    If you stop assuming they follow policy, it all makes sense. They apply policy when and if it suits them. Mimsey
  4. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Silver Meritorious Patron

    #4: says: Violation or neglect of any of the ten points of keeping scn working.
    How broad can you get. Nice catchall for any eithics officer or maa in a foul mood, eh?
    Any error or slip-up can be interpreted as such. Especially since they no longer need to do a comm ev on someone to declare them.
    Squirrels! :duh:
  5. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    Right. It is a computer-generated declare much like the form letters you get from politicians in DC one has written to. The dates & names are filled in on a template. I guess the cult is too busy to give any personal reflection on the declares they prepare. :hmm:
  6. TrevAnon

    TrevAnon Big List researcher

    LOL! The cult has to generate the declares using a computer, as there are so many declares needed.

  7. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    And it takes a few billion computers because each one has only a half-word memory chip so it won't know what the other is doing and blow.
  8. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    SP Declares written in broad generalities. The irony is rich.
  9. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    All of sp5:

    Landry, Steve
    Landry, Steve [sic]
    Landry, Steve [sic]
    Lane, Andrea
    Lane, Penny
    Lane, Terre
    Lane, Tom E.
    Lang, Jake
    Lange, Gail R.
    Lange, Tom E.
    Langer, Kim
    Langer, Morry
    Langlo, Jennifer
    Langlo, Jennifer [sic]
    Langstroth, Kit
    Lapierre, Francois
    Lapointe, Miguel
    Laporte, Karen
    Lara, Carmen
    Lara Palafox, Carmen
    Larberg, Destiny S.
    Larsen, Chrissy
    Larsen, Jake
    Larson, Don
    Larson, Florence
    Larson, Mr. Donald
    Larue, Leroy
    Laster, Teresa
    Lauck, Eva
    Laufer, Gary
    Laurion, Kathy M.
    Lauritzen, Peter
    Lavalle, Gary J.
    Lavernia, Lidia
    Lavita, Johanne
    Lawley, Mike
    Lawrence, John
    Lawrence, Keith
    Lawrence, Lee
    Lawrence, Wendy
    Lawry, Julie
    Laws, Michael
    Layne, David W.
    Layne, Penny
    Lazard, Russell
    Lazarnick, Abby
    Lazo, Elizabeth
    Leach, Art
    Leach, E. Riggs
    Leadingham, Bill
    Leanna, Kirsti
    Lear, Lila M.
    Leavitt, Mary Jo
    Lebed, Laura
    Lebertz, Sue
    Lebro, Richard (Tony)
    Lebro, Tony
    Lederman, Steven
    Ledonne, Lucinda
    Lee, Arnie
    Lee, Chris
    Lee, Dan
    Lee, Jeff
    Lee, Renee
    Lee, Shelly
    Lee, William W.
    Leeds, Mitchell
    Lefebvre, Sofie
    Lefebvre, Victor
    Leggett, Albert
    Legore, Chris
    Lehman, Deverne
    Lehoullier, John
    Leimbach, Monika
    Leland, Robin
    Lemberger, Dani
    Lemberger, Danny
    Lemberger, Tami
    Lemoine, Martin
    Lemoine, Sue
    Lendriet, Bill
    Lenpriet, William
    Lent, Jennifer
    Leonardson, Doris
    Leoncini, Maria Luisa
    Lerma, Arnie
    Lerman, Arnie
    Lerner, David
    Lerner, Gary
    Lerner, Van
    Lesko, Andy
    Lester, James
    Lester, Robbie
    Letkeman, Caroline
    Letkeman, Sarah
    Letterese, Barbara
    Letterese, Peter
    Leventhal, Don
    Levin, Hank
    Levin, Joan
    Levin, Joan [sic]
    Levin, Robert
    Levin, Robin

  10. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Bolding added by me:

    That's what I was thinking when I originally had read this story. (Thank-you Karen!)

    IMO he absolutely is entitled to keep the copy of his SP Declare per CoS policy as written by LRH.

    Additionally, I don't see how the CoS has any right to Declare someone an SP without even informing them as has happened with Phillip in this case. It eliminates his right to face his accusers and request a Committee of Evidence as per CoS policy.

    It would have been interesting if he had filed a police report at the time of the incident and then consulted with an attorney.

    If there's any attorneys lurking on this thread I'd be interested in your opinions.
  11. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    All of sp6 (less a few duplicates at the start from sp5):

    Levine, Frederick
    Levinson, Meynard
    Levinton, Bruce
    Levman, Bryan
    Levy, David
    Levy, Hyman V.
    Lewis, Marvin A.
    Lewis, Stefan
    Leybourne, Charlotte
    Lieberz, Susan Lee (Sue)
    Liggett, Judy
    Lillis, Kent
    Lillis, Sally
    Lind, David
    Lind, Roger
    Linderman, Shawn
    Lingenfelter, David
    Lingenfelter, Marcy
    Link, Charles G.
    Linker, Dan
    Lipke, Brent
    Lippold, Delbert P.
    Lipton, Kenny
    Lipton, Mickey
    Lisker, Carol Hallam
    Lisker, Roy
    Lissow, Gary
    Lister, Nick
    Little, Jack W.
    Little, James William
    Little, Meshell rene
    Littler, Leigh Ann
    Livingston, Brian [no tags]
    LLambres, Tony
    Llewelly, Gel
    Llewellyn, Gill
    Llorens, Silvia
    Llorens, Sylvia
    Lloyd, Susan
    Lobach, Dale
    Locke, Dan
    Locke, Dan [sic]
    Locke, Daniel
    Lockwood, Christine
    Lockwood, Jayson
    Lockwood, Leo
    Loftus, John
    Loftus, John B.
    Logan, Ora
    Lombard, Andrea L.
    Lombard, Andrea
    Lombard, Pauline M.
    Lombardi, S.
    Lomsdall, Wendy
    Long, Aerial
    Long, Bill Grant
    Long, Carrie
    Long, Gordie
    Long, Heather
    Long, Virgie M.
    Loomis, Harry
    Looper, Thomas
    Loosli, Jacob
    Loosli, Joan
    Lopez, Renere
    Loree, Greg
    Lorenzen, Ruth A.
    Lorenzen, Ruth
    Lorenzo, Jean Claude
    Lorenzo, Olga
    Losasso, Glenn
    Loss, Kim
    Lott, George E.
    Lotz, Nicci
    Lotz III, Trey real first name [sic]
    Lotzer, Marlys
    Loudermick, Judie
    Loudermilk, Mike
    Louis, Mario
    Loupret, Christian
    Lousier, L.
    Loutzenhiser, John
    Lovely, Tom C.
    Lovett, Brock
    Loving, Brigette
    Loving, Ron
    Lowe, Gary
    Lucas, Chris
    Lucas, Margaret
    Lucas, Nicos
    Lucero, Mike
    Luck, Constance
    Luckman, Brent
    Luckman, Glen
    Luckman, Glen [sic]
    Luckman, Melody
    Ludwig, Dana
    Lueker, Marilyn
    Lugli, Tiziano
    Luker, Tivon
    Luna, Diana
    Lundgren, Eric
    Lundquist, Leon
    Lurie, Patty
    Lussier, Louise
    Lustig, Lidia
    Lutovsky, Diane
    Lutovsky, Mark
    Lutskus, Vince
    Lutterbach, Bob
    Luyt, Peter
    Lynch, John
    Lynch, Lloyd Eric
    Lyne, Lavinia

    Maayan, Carmen
    Maayan, Shai
    Machutta, Sally
    Macaluso, Denny
    Macaluso, Lenny
    Macaluso, Leonard
    Macarthur, Catherine
    Macdonald, Allan
    Macdonald, Douglas A.
    Macduffie, Angus
    Mace, Betty
    Mace, Eddie
    Mace, Kathy
    Mace, Marjorie
    Mace, Sara
    Mace-Mcbride, Kathy
    Macfy, Tedi
    Machado, Will
    Machutta, Stephen
    Macias, Aldo Cirio
    Macisaac, Priscilla Anne
    Mack, Eric L.
    Mack, Eric L. [sic]
    Mackay, Ethel
    Mackey, Bill
    Mackie, Bill
    Mackie, Marina
    Maclean, Jennifer K.
    Maclean, Kenneth
    Maclellan, Sandra
    Maclellan, Sandy
    Macnamara, Matt
    Macphee, Gerard
    Madden, Vince
    Madison, Barbara
    Madore, Kathy
    Madsen, Barbara
    Maedl, Craig
    Magaziner, Bob
    Magnie, Dan
    Maier, Don
    Maindus, Ralph
    Mainolfi, Frank
    Mainor, Ozie
    Makler, Mike
    Makowski, Jeanie
    Malatesta, Silvia
    Malelu, Paul
    Malfitano, Amanda
    Malkin, Donna Rae
    Malkin, Glenn A.
    Mallan, Tom
    Malloy, Shawn
    Malone, Liz
    Maloy, Deirdre L.
    Malstrom, Linda
    Mandigo, Brian
    Mandingo, Brian [sic]
    Mangiello, Charese
    Mann, Chris J.
    Mann, Paul
    Manning, Brigette
    Mannings, Leonarda
    Many, Chris
    Many, Nancy
    Many, Sherry
    Maracle, Bob
    Marafino, Frank
    Marchand, Pat
    Marchant, Joi
    Marchello, Linda
    Marconet, Kim
    Marcor, Al
    Marcor, Lance
    Marcor, Lance [sic]
    Marcoux, Craig
    Maren, Mary
    Marier, Donn
    Marier, Donn [sic]
    Marin, Liz
    Marinko, Frank
    Marion, Carisa
    Mark, Whayne
    Markey, Robert
    Markin, Joy
    Markling, Jorgen [no tags]
    Markos, Roylyne
    Markowski, Eugene
    Marland, Emily
    Marple, Wayne


  12. Vittorio

    Vittorio Patron Meritorious

    I've seen an almost identical SP declare and that was nearly a decade ago. At the time it made me realize how many squirrels there are! The DSA in my Org said "there are more people out there practicing Scientology than you could imagine".

    They're not giving people their SP declares anymore. I never got mine despite being told that I would. Letting that golden rod out of the org was clearly TERRIFYING as they've become such an embarrassment.
  13. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think the main reason for not publishing an Suppressive Personality Declaration is the defamation laws. As I see it, even showing one person, let alone the broad public an SP declare is their lack of ability to show adequate proof that the declared has a majority of the 12 characteristics in their anti-social tech and policy issues. If they cannot, then the declare is LIBEL, unless only the person issuing the delcare is the ONLY one who sees or hears the issue.

    Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.

    Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel, and spoken statements, called slander.

    Just my layman's opinion, but as I see it, if the declared had a copy of the 'declare' and took it and the 'anti-social-anti-scientology' PL into court, the issuer would have an informidable chance of proving 'majority of twelve'. Thus defamation or libel and where applicable: slander.
  14. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Wouldn't even a mass Facebook unfriending serve as evidence?

  15. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I dunno if 'no location, no mass....... in SPF_acebook is enough evidence? :biggrin:
  16. Ali Shibaz

    Ali Shibaz Fuck Scientology

    Well, isn't that to be expected? After all, in the words of a very clever writer, "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others". Remember?
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2019
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  17. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    In Scientology there is only one animal (read: Homo Novis) that is more equal than others but there are lots of animals that think they are more equal than others.
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