New World Order and Scientology

[abbot]

WASN'T THE REDIRECT OBVIOUS TO A-N-Y-O-N-E?

Hasn't anyone here been paying attention?

The point in starting this thread was to show a similarity to what is being published under the name "New World Order", and the daily experiences of those who worked on staff in the C$S, at various times over the past five decades; not to mention what is happening today under the leadership hysterical of lil' David Miscarriage.

It does not matter whether we are - or are not - moving toward an economic system and theory of government in which all basic and non-basic industries are owned by a central government for the benefit of all citizens (communism), or a totalitarian internationalist and corporatist ideology (fascism)!

It does not matter what version of American History one adheres to, whether TAJ's politically correct education, or those less published - but nevertheless true - accounts.

TAJ has successfully diverted attention away from the point of this thread. He has led one and all off into topics about which there can never be anything but perpetual debate.

Thus, the point of this thread has never been commented upon except very early on (prior to TAJ's early arrival to this thread), and by but only a few admirable individuals who understood and stuck to the point of this thread.

Did anyone notice my handling of TAJ? It's irrelevant to me whether one believes in one conspiracy theory or another. That's why I told TAJ that he "has always been right, is right, and will always be right". Asked and answered; don't need to pay him anymore attention. What happens when you stop feediing energy to something?

TAJ turned this into an effort at making himself right and others wrong. He admitted having had an interest in conspiracy theories; my guess is he ran up against something that went bump in the night, or was made wrong, and found his 'peace' within our politically correct educational system. The fact that the words "New World Order" was mentioned in my initial post only served to bring unwanted / undesirable parts of himself back, and this whole thread has been about making himself right again.

Has anyone ever bothered to look up the posting history of TAJ? Yumpin'-yiminey! If so, why does anyone even bother to reply to his posts?

Can we get back to the point of this thread, now? Can we at least agree, and even perhaps post experiences in support of the fact, that LRon's vision - evidenced only by the way he layered scientology management - of a (Scientology) New World Order is strikingly similar to what is being said about a New World Order under other authors?

Furthermore, one of the purposes of ESMB is to be a resource for those who are questioning their continued involvement with the cult of scientology. What does the mechanics of various economic systems have to do with enlightening existing scientologists about the truth of scientology?

 

[programmer_guy]

Okay... I'm back on track. Sorry for my part in the derailment of this thread.

For example:
The parallels between "1984" and some ex's recounting their staff experiences are striking.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Hasn't anyone here been paying attention?

The point in starting this thread was to show a similarity to what is being published under the name "New World Order", and the daily experiences of those who worked on staff in the C$S, at various times over the past five decades; not to mention what is happening today under the leadership hysterical of lil' David Miscarriage.

It does not matter whether we are - or are not - moving toward an economic system and theory of government in which all basic and non-basic industries are owned by a central government for the benefit of all citizens (communism), or a totalitarian internationalist and corporatist ideology (fascism)!

It does not matter what version of American History one adheres to, whether TAJ's politically correct education, or those less published - but nevertheless true - accounts.

TAJ has successfully diverted attention away from the point of this thread. He has led one and all off into topics about which there can never be anything but perpetual debate.

Thus, the point of this thread has never been commented upon except very early on (prior to TAJ's early arrival to this thread), and by but only a few admirable individuals who understood and stuck to the point of this thread.

Did anyone notice my handling of TAJ? It's irrelevant to me whether one believes in one conspiracy theory or another. That's why I told TAJ that he "has always been right, is right, and will always be right". Asked and answered; don't need to pay him anymore attention. What happens when you stop feediing energy to something?

TAJ turned this into an effort at making himself right and others wrong. He admitted having had an interest in conspiracy theories; my guess is he ran up against something that went bump in the night, or was made wrong, and found his 'peace' within our politically correct educational system. The fact that the words "New World Order" was mentioned in my initial post only served to bring unwanted / undesirable parts of himself back, and this whole thread has been about making himself right again.

Has anyone ever bothered to look up the posting history of TAJ? Yumpin'-yiminey! If so, why does anyone even bother to reply to his posts?

Can we get back to the point of this thread, now? Can we at least agree, and even perhaps post experiences in support of the fact, that LRon's vision - evidenced only by the way he layered scientology management - of a (Scientology) New World Order is strikingly similar to what is being said about a New World Order under other authors?

Furthermore, one of the purposes of ESMB is to be a resource for those who are questioning their continued involvement with the cult of scientology. What does the mechanics of various economic systems have to do with enlightening existing scientologists about the truth of scientology?

Well thank you for that psychological evaulation of me Dr. Phil!

You wish to compare experiences in Scientology to your vision of the New World Order. I maintained the point that the idea of a New World Order conspiracy is foolish and non-existent. So it is a bad analogy.

I am saying then that your analogy is wrong because what you are comparing it to doesn't exist.

And I think it is obvious that when you try to position someone's experiences in Scientology to this New World Order of yours you are trying to give credence to your New World Order conspiracy idea.

And the cheap shots you make in reference to me are obvious too. Your covert slur of me that "TAJ turned this into an effort at making himself right and others wrong. He admitted having had an interest in conspiracy theories; my guess is he ran up against something that went bump in the night, or was made wrong, and found his 'peace' within our politically correct educational system." is the type of insult I expect from a Scientologist.

You words "our politically correct educational system" only tells me that you are not educated yourself; had you been you would know the vast divergence of views in American education--a divergence of views for which you yourself have shown no tolerance.

And another of your cheap shots at me, "Has anyone ever bothered to look up the posting history of TAJ? Yumpin'-yiminey! If so, why does anyone even bother to reply to his posts?" is, I think, an insult to those who have taken an interest and responded to my postings.

Like it or not Senator McCarthy, I will continue to post what, where, and when I like.

If there is anything on this thread that I have experienced on staff and within Scientology it is not your idea of a New World Order.

Rather, what I experienced in Scientology is your kind of snide invalidation of me, your not so subtle attempt at suggesting others "disconnect" and ostracize me because I disagree with you and your intolerance of someone expressing an opinion contrary to yours.

That is what the Church of Scientology does.

Plus your monoideaistic and narrow view of a world conspiracy and your ignorance and alteration of history is also Church of Scientology standard operating procedure.

Before you freak out and think I am calling you a Church representative, which I am not, understand that what I am saying is that for all intensive purposes you think and act as an indocrinated Scientologist does.

I suggest that people compare your posts to what they experienced in Scientology.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You wish to compare experiences in Scientology to your vision of the New World Order. I maintained the point that the idea of a New World Order conspiracy is foolish and non-existent. So it is a bad analogy.

Of course conspiracy nuts can't be expected to understand rudimentary logic.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

To: The Anabaptist Jacques

Not only are you de-railing this thread, you are the ultimate example of "The complete lack of evidence is proof that the conspiracy is working."

The parallels between Hubbardite life and the Fascist State are glaringly obvious for those who want to see them:
- Everyone looking over everyone else's shoulder;
- Everyone looking over their own shoulder to see who's looking back;
- The equivalent of a KR in your computer file because you stepped off the curb two seconds before the light changed to "WALK";
- A pre-determined Comm-Ev because you dared to cross against the "DON'T WALK" light.

As far as cameras to watch your every move, I came up with a brilliant design that hides the camera INSIDE the TV, and the only way you can find it is to physically destroy the TV (even then you would have to be lucky). If I can do it, so can a well-paid or well-whipped engineer.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Not only are you de-railing this thread, you are the ultimate example of "The complete lack of evidence is proof that the conspiracy is working."

The parallels between Hubbardite life and the Fascist State are glaringly obvious for those who want to see them:
- Everyone looking over everyone else's shoulder;
- Everyone looking over their own shoulder to see who's looking back;
- The equivalent of a KR in your computer file because you stepped off the curb two seconds before the light changed to "WALK";
- A pre-determined Comm-Ev because you dared to cross against the "DON'T WALK" light.

As far as cameras to watch your every move, I came up with a brilliant design that hides the camera INSIDE the TV, and the only way you can find it is to physically destroy the TV (even then you would have to be lucky). If I can do it, so can a well-paid or well-whipped engineer.

I have no disagreements with the fact that Scientology is fascistic through and through. However, because Scientology is fascistic does not mean that there is an organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government. Can you plese explain how the one equals the other?

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I have no disagreements with the fact that Scientology is fascistic through and through. However, because Scientology is fascistic does not mean that there is an organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government. Can you plese explain how the one equals the other?

The Anabaptist Jacques

Clearly you do not take the ot materials sufficiently seriously. He DOES log on under the id "Royal Prince Xenu".


Mark A. Baker

 

[Sandie]

Stay on what the thread is

I have no disagreements with the fact that Scientology is fascistic through and through. However, because Scientology is fascistic does not mean that there is an organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government. Can you plese explain how the one equals the other?

The Anabaptist Jacques

On this thread, NO ONE EVER SAID "Because Scientology is Fascistic there is a Organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government!!!!!"
O-n-e d-o-e-s n-o-t e-q-u-a-l- t-h-e -o-t-h-e-r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[abbot]

I have no disagreements with the fact that Scientology is fascistic through and through. However, because Scientology is fascistic does not mean that there is an organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government. Can you plese explain how the one equals the other?

The Anabaptist Jacques

Er... uhm... I didn't say that. In fact, I don't believe anyone here has said that.

...I think you're confused.

 

[RogerB]

Nice Elegant Post Abbot

Hasn't anyone here been paying attention?

The point in starting this thread was to show a similarity to what is being published under the name "New World Order", and the daily experiences of those who worked on staff in the C$S, at various times over the past five decades; not to mention what is happening today under the leadership hysterical of lil' David Miscarriage.

It does not matter whether we are - or are not - moving toward an economic system and theory of government in which all basic and non-basic industries are owned by a central government for the benefit of all citizens (communism), or a totalitarian internationalist and corporatist ideology (fascism)!

It does not matter what version of American History one adheres to, whether TAJ's politically correct education, or those less published - but nevertheless true - accounts.

TAJ has successfully diverted attention away from the point of this thread. He has led one and all off into topics about which there can never be anything but perpetual debate.

Thus, the point of this thread has never been commented upon except very early on (prior to TAJ's early arrival to this thread), and by but only a few admirable individuals who understood and stuck to the point of this thread.

Did anyone notice my handling of TAJ? It's irrelevant to me whether one believes in one conspiracy theory or another. That's why I told TAJ that he "has always been right, is right, and will always be right". Asked and answered; don't need to pay him anymore attention. What happens when you stop feediing energy to something?

TAJ turned this into an effort at making himself right and others wrong. He admitted having had an interest in conspiracy theories; my guess is he ran up against something that went bump in the night, or was made wrong, and found his 'peace' within our politically correct educational system. The fact that the words "New World Order" was mentioned in my initial post only served to bring unwanted / undesirable parts of himself back, and this whole thread has been about making himself right again.

Has anyone ever bothered to look up the posting history of TAJ? Yumpin'-yiminey! If so, why does anyone even bother to reply to his posts?

Can we get back to the point of this thread, now? Can we at least agree, and even perhaps post experiences in support of the fact, that LRon's vision - evidenced only by the way he layered scientology management - of a (Scientology) New World Order is strikingly similar to what is being said about a New World Order under other authors?

Furthermore, one of the purposes of ESMB is to be a resource for those who are questioning their continued involvement with the cult of scientology. What does the mechanics of various economic systems have to do with enlightening existing scientologists about the truth of scientology?

Nice elegant post Abbot.

In returning to your original post on this thread, I see you quoted some points. Perhaps you could cite where they came from.

What I see of your posts is that you have cited what is . . . that is pointed out events, and quoted actual material.

That is a pretty honest way to proceed. Shouting another down or calling others idiots for believing something that the accuser falsely accuses that you said or believe, is not honest and is the typical action of the psycho-politician types who act to misdirect peoples' attention from actual events.

Rog

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

On this thread, NO ONE EVER SAID "Because Scientology is Fascistic there is a Organized conspiracy by a group that spans several generations and is planning to take over the world and form a one-world socialist government!!!!!"
O-n-e d-o-e-s n-o-t e-q-u-a-l- t-h-e -o-t-h-e-r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the guy I quoted was saying that. Plus that was the general idea of the original post, remember?

This thread is about the New World Order and Scientology. The original post asked if people found their experiences in Scientology similar to the stated plans of The New World Order.

As far as there being a New World Order, this is a "Do you still beat your wife" type question.

Whether you say "No, my experiences in Scientology is not like the New World Order" or "Yes my experiences in Scientology is like the New World Order" you are validating the premise that there is a New World Order.

I am challenging the premise of the question. There is no New World Order Conspiracy so the question is invalid.

But because people do not accept that they get bent out of shape and say I am derailing the thread. The evidence given on this thread to substantiate a New World Order ranges from ridiculous to absurd.

And most of that evidence is based on ignorance and distortions of history. As I pointed out with facts.

My point is this--and this is relevent to the thread--The midset that believes in a New World Order conspiracy is the same mindset as Scientology.

Both mindsets consists of a monoideaistic view of the world, ignorance of the processes of how governments and institutions operate, ignorance of the process of law, an inability to distinguish between statements and accusations versus realities, loss of perspective, disregard of history, worship of contemporaneous statements (which are really extemporaneous), callow judgments, ready acceptance of bogeymen and panaceas, and a naive conviction that their view is the only one worth knowing.

And as we have seen here, an open hostility to anyone who disagrees.

Belief in a New World Order Conspiracy is one side effect of a Scientological mind. It is how an indoctrinated Scientology mind is supposed to think and the conclusion a Scientology mind is suppose to arrive at.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Nice elegant post Abbot.

In returning to your original post on this thread, I see you quoted some points. Perhaps you could cite where they came from.

What I see of your posts is that you have cited what is . . . that is pointed out events, and quoted actual material.

That is a pretty honest way to proceed. Shouting another down or calling others idiots for believing something that the accuser falsely accuses that you said or believe, is not honest and is the typical action of the psycho-politician types who act to misdirect peoples' attention from actual events.

Rog

You guys are so cute when you have the same hallucination.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

You guys are so cute when you have the same hallucination.

The Anabaptist Jacques

You mean I just imagined the photos of the Halliburton-built "shackle trains" and the huge concentration zones surrounded by 12-foot high 25,000-volt electric fences (better known in the trade as "FEMA Fun Camps")?

The NWO, like $cn, is being sold as a false bill of goods. It will look like a socialist "Godsend" so that the people will embrace it, but it will make life in the SP Hall look like a quiet ride down the river.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

You mean I just imagined the photos of the Halliburton-built "shackle trains" and the huge concentration zones surrounded by 12-foot high 25,000-volt electric fences (better known in the trade as "FEMA Fun Camps")?

The NWO, like $cn, is being sold as a false bill of goods. It will look like a socialist "Godsend" so that the people will embrace it, but it will make life in the SP Hall look like a quiet ride down the river.

You, like other conspiracy theorists, seem to be enjoying it and looking forward to it.
Here comes the shackle train now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-0YBr-6IxE

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Here's another New World Order shackle train comin' to your town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuChht_7kSw

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Not only are you de-railing this thread, you are the ultimate example of "The complete lack of evidence is proof that the conspiracy is working."

The parallels between Hubbardite life and the Fascist State are glaringly obvious for those who want to see them:
- Everyone looking over everyone else's shoulder;
- Everyone looking over their own shoulder to see who's looking back;
- The equivalent of a KR in your computer file because you stepped off the curb two seconds before the light changed to "WALK";
- A pre-determined Comm-Ev because you dared to cross against the "DON'T WALK" light.

As far as cameras to watch your every move, I came up with a brilliant design that hides the camera INSIDE the TV, and the only way you can find it is to physically destroy the TV (even then you would have to be lucky). If I can do it, so can a well-paid or well-whipped engineer.

Well yes because the SO and Scientology are Totalitarian organizations just like a fascist state is - you know, Cuba, North Korea, China, Syria. But what has THAT got to do with the so called "New World Order" a theoretical construct of conspiracy theorists and other non thinkers.

So if you want to have a thread that is about how Scientology is a totalitarian organization - well go right ahead, It has been flogged to death and if you have something original to offer on that - then that would be interesting.

Instead of waffling about someone who actually managed to post historical information.

You could try that - it might make your post more interesting.

Comparing Scientology and Hubbard to the "new world order" is about as useful as comparing Scientology to the Romulan Empire and then complaining about someone posting factual information.

 

[ThisFenceHurts]

Well yes because the SO and Scientology are Totalitarian organizations just like a fascist state is - you know, Cuba, North Korea, China, Syria. But what has THAT got to do with the so called "New World Order" a theoretical construct of conspiracy theorists and other non thinkers.

So if you want to have a thread that is about how Scientology is a totalitarian organization - well go right ahead, It has been flogged to death and if you have something original to offer on that - then that would be interesting.

Instead of waffling about someone who actually managed to post historical information.

You could try that - it might make your post more interesting.

Comparing Scientology and Hubbard to the "new world order" is about as useful as comparing Scientology to the Romulan Empire and then complaining about someone posting factual information.

TITCR

 

[Mystic]

american histericalry

Your whole argument, like conspiracy theorists, depends on distorting and omitting historical facts, including my own, but especially in American history.

First of all, I called one person a moron-once. I did not "started calling folks morons etc." as you said. But this is typical of the distortion and embellishment of facts that you have written here.

It is irrelevent that the meeting at Jekyll Island was secret or not. Certainly, like you said, the meetings were conducted in secrecy. But that is irrelevent.

What came out of the meeting was the basis of the Aldrich Bill, which was defeated by the Congress. Why do you mislead people on that fact by implying what they planned at the meeting became the FED?

The Bill that was adopted three years later called for government control of the FED and that's what we got. Why do you mislead people on that fact?

You claim that "The fact is, the Fed System has given the commercial member banks the privilege of a monopoly on creating money out of thin air to the detriment of the rest of society." Commercial member banks do not have the privilege of creating money out of thin air. Why do you mislead people on that fact?

The Fed was put in place because prior to 1913 commercial banks could create money out of thin air, and most of them did. Why do you mislead people on that fact?

There were times between 1860 and 1913 there were as many as 12,000 private currencies in circulation in America of which 5,000 were estimated to be counterfeit. Why do you mislead people on that fact?

I know you read this because you said you read one of the books it is documented in and then threw out the book. Why do you mislead people on these facts?

All the profits from all the Federal Reserve Banks go back into the United States Treasury. Why do you mislead people on this fact?

The whole argument that the Federal Reserve is a conspiracy to run the economy by private bankers is entirely depended upon distorting and obfuscating American history.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Yes, so-called "American History" is obfuscated and distorted.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Yes, so-called "American History" is obfuscated and distorted.

That's why yu have to read lots and lots and lots of it. You can't just go by a few things that people post on the internet.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mystic]

Der Nuu Voildt Audur

Der Nuu Voilt Audur duz exist in the demented minds uff der Nuu Voildt Audurismists. ScienfaggOTry vould like to be der leedur uff der Nuu Voilt. Ya ya, dey boff iz da moss edikul peepulez on der planet.