Niacin proven effective?...I'll just leave this here....

[HoraciotheOT8]

Dox? I've been told otherwise by several well-informed critics.

Did your well informed critics provide dox?

I thought naught. Actually, I knew not.

Why it is you are seemingly obsessed with accusing me of being a Scientology operative (OSA or otherwise) is beyond me. And aside from the curiosity of it I couldn't care a less Smurf. It is a bit humorous quite frankly. I would suggest however that you re-consider what you consider to be a well-informed critic, when yours are factually in error (though hopefully honestly) or they are flat out lying, with dishonest intent. Yours regarding me are in one of those two camps.

Would you like me to use my 'OSA' powers to infiltrate your well informed critics circle, to weed out the bad apples for you? Or would you prefer to accept their false accusations (mistaken or deliberate) as being real? And if you insist on the later, why on earth would you want to do that, let alone actually do that?

That's a pretty low bar for integrity, which my informed sources tell me you have.

Horacio

 

[Smurf]

Did your well informed critics provide dox?

I thought naught.

I'd suggest growing up, but you'd be clueless to what that actually meant.

 

[ethercat]

There's some Narconon-oriented discussion of this topic here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12094.0.html

if anyone is still interested in the original subject (hint, hint).

 

[Lermanet_com]

There is nothing wrong with niacin other than the doses prescribed by the great lord quack Hubbard and his asthmatic dwarf.

Too much niacin can cause liver damage, and scarring potentiating future liver failure, often many years later.

Further, taking large amounts of any of the B complex vitamins increases the body's need for the other B vitamins, creating symptoms and damage including neurological damage,associated with those induced deficiencies. Cite Link

Hubbard's 'original' formula was called Dianazene, a oval yellow tablet, He told us it would protect us from radiation... and 'run out' radiation - the niacin flush was Hubbard's fallacious proof of this (a shore story). These tabs were seized from the DC Org during the FDA E-meter raids in 1965? maybe 4. The FDA had a good case but the first arduous FDA case was tossed on a technicality and remanded for a new trial, at which time Hubbard used religious cloaking to do an end run around FDA regulations supposed to protect the public, Hubbard confounded the FDA lawyers with his invocation of religion, which I call "religious cloaking".


Cites: "Niacin overdoses may even result in severe liver damage or liver failure." LINK
"liver toxicity fulminant hepatic failure" LINK
"Large doses of niacin can cause liver damage, peptic ulcers, and skin rashes." LINK
"long term side effects can damage vital organs. " "Liver disorders (hepatoxicity) within as short a time-span as a few weeks" Cite Link

Hubbard's 'original' formula was called Dianazene, a oval yellow tablet, He told us it would protect us from radiation... and 'run out' radiation - the niacin flush was Hubbard's fallacious proof of this (a shore story). These tabs were seized from the DC Org during the FDA E-meter raids in 1965? maybe 4. The FDA had a good case but the first arduous FDA case was tossed on a technicality and remanded for a new trial, at which time Hubbard used religious cloaking to do an end run around FDA regulations supposed to protect the public, Hubbard confounded the FDA lawyers with his invocation of religion, which I call "religious cloaking".


Cites: "Niacin overdoses may even result in severe liver damage or liver failure." LINK
"liver toxicity fulminant hepatic failure" LINK
"Large doses of niacin can cause liver damage, peptic ulcers, and skin rashes." LINK
"long term side effects can damage vital organs. " "Liver disorders (hepatoxicity) within as short a time-span as a few weeks" LINK


Purification Rundown (tm) Unfit for human experimentation:
"An independent (non-Scientology related) study of the Purification Rundown was proposed in 1985 by Dr. Joseph Miceli, Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Pharmacy, Children's Hospital of Michigan. Dr. Miceli's proposal suggested that the method might actually have some value in reducing toxins (PBBs and PCBs) from the body - but not for any of the reasons suggested by its author, L. RoBn Hubbard. However, the Human Subject Review Committee at Wayne State University refused to allow the study to proceed because it was deemed unfit for human experimentation, according to Dr. Doug Spathelf, research director at Central Michigan University, and Dr. Daniel Graf, research director at Wayne State University."

PS: And if anyone thinks the way they do the Sauna (prolonged over-heating of the human body) is safe, google: "Heat stress proteins" or read this page on Lermanet.com Exposing the CON:

Expert: Sauna decreases intelligencecin&ei=pRjWUMK3M5TE0AHmnIHYAg&usg=AFQjCNFxDAZG3hURVUc8qvEU7g5zfVrn4w&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.dmQ"]LINK[/URL]


Purification Rundown (tm) Unfit for human experimentation:
"An independent (non-Scientology related) study of the Purification Rundown was proposed in 1985 by Dr. Joseph Miceli, Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Pharmacy, Children's Hospital of Michigan. Dr. Miceli's proposal suggested that the method might actually have some value in reducing toxins (PBBs and PCBs) from the body - but not for any of the reasons suggested by its author, L. RoBn Hubbard. However, the Human Subject Review Committee at Wayne State University refused to allow the study to proceed because it was deemed unfit for human experimentation, according to Dr. Doug Spathelf, research director at Central Michigan University, and Dr. Daniel Graf, research director at Wayne State University."

PS: And if anyone thinks the way they do the Sauna (prolonged over-heating of the human body) is safe, google: "Heat stress proteins" or read this page on Lermanet.com Exposing the CON:

Expert: Sauna decreases intelligence

----------------

Regards,
Arnie Lerma

 

[HoraciotheOT8]

There is nothing wrong with niacin other than the doses prescribed by the great lord quack Hubbard and his asthmatic dwarf.

Too much niacin can cause liver damage, and scarring potentiating future liver failure, often many years later.

Further, taking large amounts of any of the B complex vitamins increases the body's need for the other B vitamins, creating symptoms and damage including neurological damage,associated with those induced deficiencies. Cite Link

Hubbard's 'original' formula was called Dianazene, a oval yellow tablet, He told us it would protect us from radiation... and 'run out' radiation - the niacin flush was Hubbard's fallacious proof of this (a shore story). These tabs were seized from the DC Org during the FDA E-meter raids in 1965? maybe 4. The FDA had a good case but the first arduous FDA case was tossed on a technicality and remanded for a new trial, at which time Hubbard used religious cloaking to do an end run around FDA regulations supposed to protect the public, Hubbard confounded the FDA lawyers with his invocation of religion, which I call "religious cloaking".


Cites: "Niacin overdoses may even result in severe liver damage or liver failure." LINK
"liver toxicity fulminant hepatic failure" LINK
"Large doses of niacin can cause liver damage, peptic ulcers, and skin rashes." LINK
"long term side effects can damage vital organs. " "Liver disorders (hepatoxicity) within as short a time-span as a few weeks" Cite Link

Hubbard's 'original' formula was called Dianazene, a oval yellow tablet, He told us it would protect us from radiation... and 'run out' radiation - the niacin flush was Hubbard's fallacious proof of this (a shore story). These tabs were seized from the DC Org during the FDA E-meter raids in 1965? maybe 4. The FDA had a good case but the first arduous FDA case was tossed on a technicality and remanded for a new trial, at which time Hubbard used religious cloaking to do an end run around FDA regulations supposed to protect the public, Hubbard confounded the FDA lawyers with his invocation of religion, which I call "religious cloaking".


Cites: "Niacin overdoses may even result in severe liver damage or liver failure." LINK
"liver toxicity fulminant hepatic failure" LINK
"Large doses of niacin can cause liver damage, peptic ulcers, and skin rashes." LINK
"long term side effects can damage vital organs. " "Liver disorders (hepatoxicity) within as short a time-span as a few weeks" LINK


Purification Rundown (tm) Unfit for human experimentation:
"An independent (non-Scientology related) study of the Purification Rundown was proposed in 1985 by Dr. Joseph Miceli, Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Pharmacy, Children's Hospital of Michigan. Dr. Miceli's proposal suggested that the method might actually have some value in reducing toxins (PBBs and PCBs) from the body - but not for any of the reasons suggested by its author, L. RoBn Hubbard. However, the Human Subject Review Committee at Wayne State University refused to allow the study to proceed because it was deemed unfit for human experimentation, according to Dr. Doug Spathelf, research director at Central Michigan University, and Dr. Daniel Graf, research director at Wayne State University."

PS: And if anyone thinks the way they do the Sauna (prolonged over-heating of the human body) is safe, google: "Heat stress proteins" or read this page on Lermanet.com Exposing the CON:

Expert: Sauna decreases intelligencecin&ei=pRjWUMK3M5TE0AHmnIHYAg&usg=AFQjCNFxDAZG3hURVUc8qvEU7g5zfVrn4w&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.dmQ"]LINK[/URL]


Purification Rundown (tm) Unfit for human experimentation:
"An independent (non-Scientology related) study of the Purification Rundown was proposed in 1985 by Dr. Joseph Miceli, Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Pharmacy, Children's Hospital of Michigan. Dr. Miceli's proposal suggested that the method might actually have some value in reducing toxins (PBBs and PCBs) from the body - but not for any of the reasons suggested by its author, L. RoBn Hubbard. However, the Human Subject Review Committee at Wayne State University refused to allow the study to proceed because it was deemed unfit for human experimentation, according to Dr. Doug Spathelf, research director at Central Michigan University, and Dr. Daniel Graf, research director at Wayne State University."

PS: And if anyone thinks the way they do the Sauna (prolonged over-heating of the human body) is safe, google: "Heat stress proteins" or read this page on Lermanet.com Exposing the CON:

Expert: Sauna decreases intelligence

----------------

Regards,
Arnie Lerma

The way I read the article niacin is overrated/ineffective prior to overdose/mega doses. The fact that something is virtually useless in small amounts makes the concept of taking it in high doses (as a 'healing' agent) absurd.

Horacio

 

[Smurf]

The way I read the article niacin is overrated/ineffective prior to overdose/mega doses. The fact that something is virtually useless in small amounts makes the concept of taking it in high doses (as a 'healing' agent) absurd.

Obviously, you can't read.

 

[Beam-Me-Up-Scotty]

Arnie,

Thank you so much for the effort you have put into researching about Niacin. Yes I remember the hot flushes all too well, and thought to myself "What do these flushes have to do with the eradication of radiation? It just did not make sense to me, nor the encouragement of salt tablets, excessive vitamins and up to 5 hours in the sauna, plus the famous calmag.

I wonder if the Purif is still in vogue or whether there have been any documentated cases of negative effects from it? I must admit I felt squeaky clean after it for several days but no other noticable effects.

 

[Kemist]

I'll take a wild guess at what the unmentionable serious adverse event that is hinted about in the article might be :

Liver cancer.

That's often what happens with a chronically damaged liver, and cancer is a scary enough thing for them to avoid mentionning it. Doubly so for liver cancer which is amongst the most deadly.

If I was at risk of heart disease, I'd stick with statins. They've become generic and cheap now, and since that has happened, everyone suspiciously seems to be looking for something wrong with them.

 

[Cat Daddy]

There used to be a complementary ingredïent:

 

[mclovin]

Sciloon-tology aside.... Niacin is a very effective drug for people (like me) who suffer from Hypertriglyceridemia (basically triglyceride levels above 1000 mg/dl, no matter how much you exercise or eat right).

In addition to taking statins, fenofibrates, and Omega-3-acid ethyl esters (refined fish oil), I must take 2000mg of Niacin to keep my number below 300.

As a corollary, all you normal folks are probably below the guideline of 150 mg/dl, while folks like me would normally be at 1800+.

Just my 2 cents...