Nibs Tells Us the MO of Ron, SR.

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Mimsey, there's actually no shortage of unedited tapes.
I can't believe that the FZ doesn't have them all.
PM me which ones you are interested in, and I will tell you where to find it.

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Ron Dewolf's testimony in the 82 clearwater commission hearings starts HERE

http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/2-001-020.htm

Good reading about the same times, all he says in 82 is early 52..

And this nugget:



The "Clam" incident is due to Nib's eating bennies (Speed) so he could drive from Wichita to Phoenix...which often makes one's jaw ache from gritting teeth... when he arrived Hubbard audited him... [snip]

The "Clam" incident is due to Nib's eating bennies (Speed) so he could drive from Wichita to Phoenix...which often makes one's jaw ache from gritting teeth... when he arrived Hubbard audited him...

7 involved -- he asked me to sit down on the couch, and I
8 was high on Benzedrine, Bennies. And we started doing,
9 quote, "research" on a book called History of Man.


and we have the Clam incident in History of Man...snap, snap..

This came off the The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Jim Pinkham 1928 - 2011

"Jim also said the content of History of Man (a/k/a What to Audit) was not from from LRH's case nor audited by LRH. He claimed that it came from the sessions of one Nan Webster McCurdy, audited by Bud Eubanks in Wichita in the fall of 1951, and that "Hubbard bought it hook, line and sinker." He said the sessions were "recorded, transcribed, and embellished." He also described Ms. McCurdy as "certifiably insane," and characterized "95% of the dissertation on the whole track in What to Audit" as "pure crap.""

The discovery or unearthing of these discs would be good.

Im really suprised by the liberal use of recording equipment in the 50s.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10103-The-old-days-Aboard-the-Apollo-1973/page1266 (post 12659)

Im wondering if Challenge or other ole timer knew either of these guys.
 
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"99% of what my father ever said about himself was not true" Ron Dewolf

EVALUATION
1 . telling the pc what to think
2 . the action of shaking his stable data ... giving him further stable data with which he can agree or in which he can believe.

IMPLANT, 1..overwhelming a being with ... false concepts in a malicious attempt to control and suppress him.3 . an unwilling and unknowing receipt of a thought. An intentional installation of fixed ideas..

HYPNOTISM.4 . .. planting suggestions.

REACTIVE RON MIND,
1. a portion of a Scientologists mind which works on a totally stimulus-response basis, which is not under his volitional control, and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions, stored in the Ron mind are Rons Fixed ideas.
2 comprises an unknowing, unwanted series of Rons computations which bring about an effect upon the individual and those around him. It is an obsessive strata of unknown, unseen, unsuspected data which are forcing solutions, unknown and unsuspected, on the individual. (Scien-itis)

BLACK DIANETICS, 1 . hypnotism.
They have not called it that but the results have been and are the
same. There are those who, to control, resort to narcotics, suggestion

BLACKNESS OF CASES, the blackness of cases is an accumulation of the case’s own lies , others lies or Ron's .
__________________________

Philadelphia Doctorate Course.
PDC-54 SUMMARY TO DATE: 17.12.52

The specific incidents you must run ..

Caution waiver & confession ahead.

"So there’s really…[pause-think] there’s really nothing more to know about the human mind, about the universe, about aesthetics, space opera… past lives, other planets –

you can read WHAT TO AUDIT if you want a disentanglement.

Whether that[what to audit] is true or not, whether the material in it is exact or not is beside the point"
.
:clap:

That material is there not to tell a story,
but to help an auditor solve a case. And it’s told from that viewpoint and from that viewpoint it’s accurate.:no:

____________________________

"outright control mechanism, invented.. " LRH
WHAT TO AUDIT= never audited, because its science fiction.

The scary incidents are The theme park rides,

Jack-In-The-Box, Jiggler, Whirler ,Bouncer, Spinner , Rocker ,Boxer , Faller, Joiner, , Emanator , Fly-Trap, Obsession, Halver , Coffee-grinder , Ice Cube, Double-Body , The Education, Borrowing, Nipping, Blanketing, Facsimile One,

around Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory in one hour at the library,
Just add "THE"

Clam , Caveman , Piltdown , Photon Converter, Cosmic Impact , Atom , Genetic Line, Weeper , Volcanoes , Birds , Sloth, Ape, Being Eaten .
 

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This came off the The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Jim Pinkham 1928 - 2011

"Jim also said the content of History of Man (a/k/a What to Audit) was not from from LRH's case nor audited by LRH. He claimed that it came from the sessions of one Nan Webster McCurdy, audited by Bud Eubanks in Wichita in the fall of 1951, and that "Hubbard bought it hook, line and sinker." He said the sessions were "recorded, transcribed, and embellished." He also described Ms. McCurdy as "certifiably insane," and characterized "95% of the dissertation on the whole track in What to Audit" as "pure crap.""

The discovery or unearthing of these discs would be good.

Im really suprised by the liberal use of recording equipment in the 50s.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10103-The-old-days-Aboard-the-Apollo-1973/page1266 (post 12659)

Im wondering if Challenge or other ole timer knew either of these guys.


I knew Bud Eubanks.
Recording equipment was not in everyday use in the 5os. What there was was weildy and took undivided attention. It was also quite large, as were the cameras.
I can't corroborate this story. I wasn't in the room. It is doubtful ( to me) taht any such recording exists.


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guanoloco

As-Wased
"99% of what my father ever said about himself was not true" Ron Dewolf

EVALUATION
1 . telling the pc what to think
2 . the action of shaking his stable data ... giving him further stable data with which he can agree or in which he can believe.

IMPLANT, 1..overwhelming a being with ... false concepts in a malicious attempt to control and suppress him.3 . an unwilling and unknowing receipt of a thought. An intentional installation of fixed ideas..

HYPNOTISM.4 . .. planting suggestions.

REACTIVE RON MIND,
1. a portion of a Scientologists mind which works on a totally stimulus-response basis, which is not under his volitional control, and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions, stored in the Ron mind are Rons Fixed ideas.
2 comprises an unknowing, unwanted series of Rons computations which bring about an effect upon the individual and those around him. It is an obsessive strata of unknown, unseen, unsuspected data which are forcing solutions, unknown and unsuspected, on the individual. (Scien-itis)

BLACK DIANETICS, 1 . hypnotism.
They have not called it that but the results have been and are the
same. There are those who, to control, resort to narcotics, suggestion

BLACKNESS OF CASES, the blackness of cases is an accumulation of the case’s own lies , others lies or Ron's .
__________________________

Philadelphia Doctorate Course.
PDC-54 SUMMARY TO DATE: 17.12.52

The specific incidents you must run ..

Caution waiver & confession ahead.

"So there’s really…[pause-think] there’s really nothing more to know about the human mind, about the universe, about aesthetics, space opera… past lives, other planets –

you can read WHAT TO AUDIT if you want a disentanglement.

Whether that[what to audit] is true or not, whether the material in it is exact or not is beside the point"
.
:clap:

That material is there not to tell a story,
but to help an auditor solve a case. And it’s told from that viewpoint and from that viewpoint it’s accurate.:no:

____________________________

"outright control mechanism, invented.. " LRH
WHAT TO AUDIT= never audited, because its science fiction.

The scary incidents are The theme park rides,

Jack-In-The-Box, Jiggler, Whirler ,Bouncer, Spinner , Rocker ,Boxer , Faller, Joiner, , Emanator , Fly-Trap, Obsession, Halver , Coffee-grinder , Ice Cube, Double-Body , The Education, Borrowing, Nipping, Blanketing, Facsimile One,

around Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory in one hour at the library,
Just add "THE"

Clam , Caveman , Piltdown , Photon Converter, Cosmic Impact , Atom , Genetic Line, Weeper , Volcanoes , Birds , Sloth, Ape, Being Eaten .

This is perfectly told by Nibs as well from here:

So one clue is: Do not evaluate for the preclear. So what has L. Ron Hubbard done, particularly in the upper levels? He has evaluated for the preclear. He has handed your preclear the incidents to run. He has handed your preclear the preclear's time track. So what's the solution? You run the preclear's time track! Not your time track or L. Ron Hubbard's time track or anybody else's. Any time L. Ron Hubbard has given you in any of the writings such as OT3, Xemu and all of that stuff on a silver platter, reject it. You as the auditor find out what is in the pc's bank and run it. Don't let anyone - L. Ron Hubbard, your cat or the milkman - evaluate for the preclear. What he has done is given incidents and time track tailor-made to veer you off of actual achievement of the state of ability of Clear and OT. And reduced it to (on purpose) a state of thought, a decisional thing, a thinkingness state rather than a doingness state.

I can see where Veda can say that the upper levels are implanting or something along those lines.
 

Div6

Crusader
<snip>
It is only very recently that I have looked at the idea of consciousness secretly feeding off other consciousness. I think the idea of the Anti-Christ is a similar idea.... by being the attempted OWNER of the totality of consciousness sucked in a certain paradigm. (and something is rendering me stupid and very tired as I try to type this concept ...interesting) It all has to do with WILL. Who is creating the future outcomes.
<snip>

This is an interesting statement. I was listening to one of the Milestone 1 lectures that was REMOVED from the current set, and LRH was talking about theta entities, and how part of the implant\game\mock-up WAS TO ACQUIRE OTHER entities.

Ostensibly to create more "physical universe" space, but that is just my speculation.
And this harks back to the "Do what one WILL" Crowley meme...as the whole entity game is a game of inposing "other-determinism" over "self-determinism".

Thanks for the post.
 

guanoloco

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This is an interesting statement. I was listening to one of the Milestone 1 lectures that was REMOVED from the current set, and LRH was talking about theta entities, and how part of the implant\game\mock-up WAS TO ACQUIRE OTHER entities.

Ostensibly to create more "physical universe" space, but that is just my speculation.
And this harks back to the "Do what one WILL" Crowley meme...as the whole entity game is a game of inposing "other-determinism" over "self-determinism".

Thanks for the post.

This made me think...if the lecture was removed, presumably by Miscavige, then it dawned on me that we have an altered version of an altered version of Satanism or something.

It just gets more bizarre as time marches on!
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Hmm...some of this is pretty different from what Helen O'Brien actually wrote in her book about the subject, Dianetics in Limbo.

Am I allowed to say that? :lol:

So Arnie doesn't like this post. Well, all I can say is read Dianetics In Limbo. As critical literature re Scn goes, it's a classic piece. Her account is different from Nibs'. I think she'd know what happened to her, right?
 

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In one chapter, Helen O'Brien states that ( not verbatim here) the HOM stuff was gathered from several or numerous PC sessions.

She did not say that she was one of those PCs, nor did she say that Nibs was or was not one of the PCs whose sessions involved, or did not involve, HOM incidents. In point of fact, Helen O'Brien never mentioned NIBs at all.

Does that mean that he never existed? Does it mean that she never knew him? Did she ever discredit him in any way? No. She did not.

Could the tales of HOM sessions have been passed around? That would insure that every Dn/Scn run them. So did Helen hear about them before or after Nibs sessions? They would have spread like a wildfire. Hmmmm....

Helen and Noyga were "true believers" in their day. They would've believed that the sky was falling if LRH told them that it was.

Noyga's story ended with Noyga's suicide.
Quite similar to the 'suicide' of Quentin Hubbard.
Another sad and tragic ending to the life of a fine man.

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Voltaire's Child

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Well, I don't think that a woman who walked out of Dianetics (she never did like CofS/Scn) two years after getting into it, then telling Hubbard that he was like the cow, who having given good milk, then kicked over the milk bucket, could be said to have remained a true believer. In fact, it sounds like she spent far less time putting up with the organization (nascent as it was then) than did you or I. She's quite critical of Hubbard in that book.

I do not endorse suicide as an intrinsically good thing at all, of course. But if you read Helen's account of John Noyga's suicide, it sounded like it had little or nothing to do with Dianetics.

Again, I think that she would know better what she and John Noyga experienced than Nibs would. The inverse would be true. Were O'Brien to have claimed that Nibs experienced certain things and were Nibs to say, no, that never happened, I would believe Nibs.
 

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Well, I don't think that a woman who walked out of Dianetics (she never did like CofS/Scn) two years after getting into it, then telling Hubbard that he was like the cow, who having given good milk, then kicked over the milk bucket, could be said to have remained a true believer. In fact, it sounds like she spent far less time putting up with the organization (nascent as it was then) than did you or I. She's quite critical of Hubbard in that book.

I do not endorse suicide as an intrinsically good thing at all, of course. But if you read Helen's account of John Noyga's suicide, it sounded like it had little or nothing to do with Dianetics.

Again, I think that she would know better what she and John Noyga experienced than Nibs would. The inverse would be true. Were O'Brien to have claimed that Nibs experienced certain things and were Nibs to say, no, that never happened, I would believe Nibs.


It's all speculation, isn't it?
You believe whom you want to believe, and *like* whom you wish to like, and I will not question you about 'why' again.

I think that a simple question like 'why do you dislike Nibs' requires only a simple answer. It's not a confrontation. It doesn't require a smart assed reply. You could have just answered with the info that Helen O'Brien said in her book that the story in HOM was taken from several PC sessions.
That ends the discussion.
I am not here to defend Nibs. I don't know if his Dad put amphetamines in his bubble gum. I didn't see it done. Neither did you. So it's all just trash talk after the dox are posted.
I am through with this aberrated games condition.

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I knew Bud Eubanks.
Recording equipment was not in everyday use in the 5os. What there was was weildy and took undivided attention. It was also quite large, as were the cameras.
I can't corroborate this story. I wasn't in the room. It is doubtful ( to me) taht any such recording exists.


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Dillard "Bud" Eubanks is still around (last I heard), ask him.
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
This is an interesting statement. I was listening to one of the Milestone 1 lectures that was REMOVED from the current set, and LRH was talking about theta entities, and how part of the implant\game\mock-up WAS TO ACQUIRE OTHER entities.

Ostensibly to create more "physical universe" space, but that is just my speculation.
And this harks back to the "Do what one WILL" Crowley meme...as the whole entity game is a game of inposing "other-determinism" over "self-determinism".

Thanks for the post.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm

[PDF] WAR IN HEAVEN
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/War In Heaven.pdf

The chapter on Theocrats is interesting. This is a most bizzare book though an eye opener about beings feeding off of the life energy of others. The proposition is that there are huge conglomerates of beings who's joint consciousness forms somewhat of a huge elemental. These need life energy to sustain themselves and yet are avoiding the reincarnation as 'man' process while still being connected to the game.

Extremely large organizational clusters of beings feed off of adoration and admiration via religions accordint to Griffith. They 'harvest' attention units and suck up the awareness of their clients hooking them with beams. What is claimed is that this has come to a tipping point. They are orchestrating planetary chaos and tribulations in the near future so as to claim 'each' their herds. I don't know if I agree totally with this. I have seen however that we have experienced a PUSH to put more humans on the planet. Financially everything has been done to make this easier. Maybe such monsters awaiting cannot get at the coconut meat without growing the coconut first.

Yes, I know these are sick off the wall thoughts, but what IF....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RM8L6a4P80&feature=player_detailpage
 
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Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
It's all speculation, isn't it?
You believe whom you want to believe, and *like* whom you wish to like, and I will not question you about 'why' again.

I think that a simple question like 'why do you dislike Nibs' requires only a simple answer. It's not a confrontation. It doesn't require a smart assed reply. You could have just answered with the info that Helen O'Brien said in her book that the story in HOM was taken from several PC sessions.
That ends the discussion.
I am not here to defend Nibs. I don't know if his Dad put amphetamines in his bubble gum. I didn't see it done. Neither did you. So it's all just trash talk after the dox are posted.
I am through with this aberrated games condition.

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I liked the book Dianetics in Limbo. Seemed to me that O'Brien was being pretty candid there. It's autobiographical. So when someone else states that something entirely different than what the author recounted took place, I don't really give a lot of credence to it.

You are right in that it would be speculation on my part, but then again, we can say that the person who was not there and was not O'Brien or "Noyga" also was speculating.

I once read a lovely book by Audrey Meadows- what a classy lady. It was about her experiences with Jackie Gleason. Anyway, it was a charming book. Now, if someone else were to say, oh, Audrey Meadows had this or that happen to her and the claim was opposite to what Audrey depicted, I think I'd probably go by Audrey's book to try to figure out what did take place.

You've mentioned my comments about Nibs quite a few times. I guess I don't see a good reason for your doing so.

I also dislike walnuts, classical music and flip flop sandals. (point being, things strike different people different ways.). Stuff happens, we all have our impressions. I recall your posting some opinions of yours a number of times, right?
 

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you know Guanoloco, that is going to be a bitch to find. A) it could be a bc tape and I no longer can waltz into ASHO and look through their BC tapes B) there was a time on an earlier version of the BC when there was a R-6 section - and it very well could be one of those tapes, which are for all practical purposes no longer available. I think you have to do the HSST course to listen to them now.

I wonder what ever happened to Ken Ogger's (the Pilot) collection of tapes - he bought many reel to reel tapes, and they would be gold to the indy movement - unedited tapes? My my my.

So if the church ever runs up the steps to my door saying all is forgiven, and they love me once again, and I have free run of the orgs, then I could do something. But the last time I went on the weather channel, hell was still 127 degrees in the shade.

Mimsey

Rons Orgs have a server in Holland which has much materials. Its
not possible for CO$ to attack this server as in Holland Free speech and religious freedom trump copyright.

This video shows how to access materials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtuUyeLRQHs

What you want may be there.

They would appreciate donations as much time, effort and
expenses have gone into this.
 
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This came off the The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Jim Pinkham 1928 - 2011

"Jim also said the content of History of Man (a/k/a What to Audit) was not from from LRH's case nor audited by LRH. He claimed that it came from the sessions of one Nan Webster McCurdy, audited by Bud Eubanks in Wichita in the fall of 1951, and that "Hubbard bought it hook, line and sinker." He said the sessions were "recorded, transcribed, and embellished." He also described Ms. McCurdy as "certifiably insane," and characterized "95% of the dissertation on the whole track in What to Audit" as "pure crap.""

The discovery or unearthing of these discs would be good.

Im really suprised by the liberal use of recording equipment in the 50s.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10103-The-old-days-Aboard-the-Apollo-1973/page1266 (post 12659)

Im wondering if Challenge or other ole timer knew either of these guys.

Carmello recently posted his best shot at an obituary, possibly here as well, as he knew Jim in approx 2000 IIRC.

Phil Spickler [videos of him available] knew Nan McCurdy and describes her as very able, and an excellent dianetic auditor. Not insane. He was around in the early fifties and also worked with LRH
then.

Phil commented that whole track was not 95% crap, but he didn't specify whether he was referring to whole track per se, or what is in History of Man.
 

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The archive has a typewritten copy of " What to Audit". The first page is a correction made by Hubbard re changes in the book "What to Audit", who said in a letter from London, that the corrections were dictated by recent research. This copy was published by Scientific Press, Inc. Phoenix. Copyrighted 1952. In parenthesis on the title page is said 'This edition is an exact facsimilie of the original manuscript typed by L. Ron Hubbard.

Point of this post of mine is that on page 26 there is a footnote, to wit: The 'helper' and the 'weeper' were located by Jack Normacher while engaged in research to complete data on the evolutionary line He is being awarded an M. Dn for this discovery".

On page 32 the footnote reads" Larry Platt, HDA, suggests that psoriasis may be caused by the action of digestive fluid in some incident where the PC was being eaten. Subject to test".

yer welcome.

My next bon mot will prolly be the front page of Helen O'Brien's HRF Notebook.
Yes. It is in the archive as well.

Were I to know, step by step, how to c scan these things, I wouldn't have to spend my morning typing. Of course, I don't have to do that. I could just let rampant speculation and uninformed opinion rule., but being the fabulous old lady that I am, I will sometimes bother to post pertinent info.

BTW, I just ran across an "HCOB" put out by Dick Steves that exemplifies pretty much what we were running in the 50s. Wow!


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No need to thank me.
 

Jachs

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The archive has a typewritten copy of " What to Audit". The first page is a correction made by Hubbard re changes in the book "What to Audit", who said in a letter from London, that the corrections were dictated by recent research. This copy was published by Scientific Press, Inc. Phoenix. Copyrighted 1952. In parenthesis on the title page is said 'This edition is an exact facsimilie of the original manuscript typed by L. Ron Hubbard.

Point of this post of mine is that on page 26 there is a footnote, to wit: The 'helper' and the 'weeper' were located by Jack Normacher while engaged in research to complete data on the evolutionary line He is being awarded an M. Dn for this discovery".

On page 32 the footnote reads" Larry Platt, HDA, suggests that psoriasis may be caused by the action of digestive fluid in some incident where the PC was being eaten. Subject to test".

yer welcome.

My next bon mot will prolly be the front page of Helen O'Brien's HRF Notebook.
Yes. It is in the archive as well.

Were I to know, step by step, how to c scan these things, I wouldn't have to spend my morning typing. Of course, I don't have to do that. I could just let rampant speculation and uninformed opinion rule., but being the fabulous old lady that I am, I will sometimes bother to post pertinent info.

BTW, I just ran across an "HCOB" put out by Dick Steves that exemplifies pretty much what we were running in the 50s. Wow!


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No need to thank me.
I did anyways:biggrin: Thanks Challenge

can you tell me where the archive is?

i found this by Ron Sr complete with the ...uh...moments dont draw attention to your error pauses

in the PDCs
PDC-#09 3.12.52 said:
I left the GE uh… track as pretty well investigated about March of 1952, and uh… the rundown which you find, is uh… that’s a fragmentary rundown of it in the book WHAT TO AUDIT, which is now coming out under THE HISTORY OF MAN, A HISTORY OF MAN.

And that is a fragmentary account of the GE line. And it’s a facinating study, but that study wasn’t getting us anywhere.

It’s a… it was… might be getting the GE somewhere and if we were in the terrific level of propitiation where we could

[CONFUSION YOU WILL CONFUSED TO FORGET WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU]

only study the body and

take care of the body and

study the body and

take care of the body and

take care of the body and

study the body and then just for variation,

take care of the body


-PDC-12 said:
Now don’t try to chase this back by symbolism.

I wrote a foul and evil book once upon a time.

Was called THE KEY TO THE UNCONSCIOUS. It ties back mock-up processing into reality.
It turns out that that’s the meanest thing an auditor can do.

You can do a lot of things with this, but if you use it too long it will
give the guy the idea that his dreams are all based on reality.
 
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